EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hello. I am using the EXSP24 with Logic 6 Platinum os9 (G4 466 896 MB ram). I have 
been trying to create an enviroment that will allow me to control the EXSP24 in 
realtime via my Midi controller. I have found through posts and triaal and error that 
the EXSp24 doesnot respond to any controller Data listed in its manual. (If i am wrong 
somebody please psot a working enviroment) The EXP24 does however respond to 
Fader Messages... Sort Of...

The EXSP24 responds to Fader Messages for somethings only on the first channel.

Ex. Level Via Velocity is Fader Message Ch 2 -1- 32 and the Value

But then Level velocity is not accessable on any pther channels. Most of the other 
things ie. LFO, Attack Sustain and stuff liek that are accesable on Channels 1 and 2 
also using Fader Messages (not controller messages liek the manual says) Channels 3 
through 16 do not respond to anything. 

Can anyone share anything about this or how to work around it or anything they have 
discoverd? Basically I would like to creat a small mixer with 16 faders each one 
controlling the "level via Velocity" for each channel. And I would also liek to be able to 
control LFo and Attach and Resonace and all that good stuff from my midi controller?

Any one? Thanks a bunch

Pete

On 04.05.2004, at 07:56, jazdout_productions wrote:

> ...
> the EXSp24 doesnot respond to any controller Data listed in its 
> manual. (If i am wrong
> somebody please psot a working enviroment) The EXP24 does however 
> respond to
> Fader Messages... Sort Of...

The EXS parameters respond only to fader messages on channel 2.


> The EXSP24 responds to Fader Messages for somethings only on the first 
> channel.

EXS listens always in channel 2. This EXS communication channel has 
nothing to do with the midi channel of the audio intrument object. If 
you have more audio instruments with EXS you have to cable your faders 
to each instance. If you want simultaneousely control of all EXS 
instances you have to use a fader-set for each of them. If one-by-one 
is enough you can use one fader-set and switch it to the different 
audio objects.


> Ex. Level Via Velocity is Fader Message Ch 2 -1- 32 and the Value

The upper slider is Fader Ch2 32, value 0-96
The lower slider is Fader Ch2 33, value 0-96

Your midi controller should have scaleable values to avoid values above 
96 or you scale it in the environment. Higher values do not hurt the 
EXS but you would have a 'dead range' between 96 and 127 where the 
velocity is at the max.

Some tricky environment work rises up if you want to control the upper 
AND the lower part of splitted faders (like with velocity). Upper 
slider must be always higher then the lower one and vice versa. If you 
do not deal with this you get sudden jumps.


> But then Level velocity is not accessable on any pther channels. Most 
> of the other
> things ie. LFO, Attack Sustain and stuff liek that are accesable on 
> Channels 1 and 2
> also using Fader Messages (not controller messages liek the manual 
> says) Channels 3
> through 16 do not respond to anything.

Like explained above, the EXS works only via channel 2. Are you sure 
that you can work with channel 1? This should not be possible...


Peter Ostry

On a fine day, 04-05-2004, jazdout_productions wrote:

>Ex. Level Via Velocity is Fader Message Ch 2 -1- 32 and the Value
>
>But then Level velocity is not accessable on any pther channels. 
>Most of the other things ie. LFO, Attack Sustain and stuff liek that 
>are accesable on Channels 1 and 2 also using Fader Messages (not 
>controller messages liek the manual says) Channels 3 through 16 do 
>not respond to anything.
>
>Can anyone share anything about this or how to work around it or 
>anything they have discoverd?

The deal with fader messages is: a message on channel 1 is received 
by the mixer strip itself, channel 2 is used to control the virtual 
instrument, channels 3 and up are used to control the 1st (and up) 
effects inserts.  I.e. the 1st effect inserts responds to ch.3, the 
2nd to ch.4., etc.

To complicate matters: if you have a regular track mixer strip (no 
virtual instrument), the 1st effect slot responds to channel *2* 
instead of 3, etc.

In order to figure out which fader messages corresponds to which 
button in a plug-in, cable from the mixer strip into a new Monitor 
object.  Wiggle the button and watch the Monitor: you should see 
something like 'F 2 12 67', meaning: fader message, channel 2, 
type-byte (-1-) = 12, value = 67.  Now transform the incoming 
controller data (from e.g. a fader pack) into Fader-12, channel 2.

Note that the transformer which converts controllers into fader 
events should be the *very last* object in the chain and should be 
cabled into the mixer strip directly.  Any intervening objects will 
break the functionality.

If you want to get fancy, you might consider downloading my 
autodemo.zip (logic section of my website) which demonstrates how to 
use an external faderbox to control plug-ins and record track based 
automation, including some tricks with presets & stuff...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

OK....I think I should be embarrassed about this.  I've been using 
Logic for years so I'm certain I should know about this....but.  
Yesterday I was working with some pieces of audio files in the arrange 
window.  I did some kind of keyboard command....I haven't been able to 
duplicate it....and the audio files in that track turned blue.  
Well....I don't mind blue....but it makes it impossible to edit the 
files in the arrange window.  It seems to allow me to program 
automation for individual pieces of audio files...that's nice...but I 
don't need to do that right now.  Please tell me what function I've 
enabled and how to turn it off.  Thanks a bunch

sheepishly,
julie

On 5/7/04, Julie Larson wrote:

[...]
>and the audio files in that track turned blue.  
>Well....I don't mind blue....but it makes it impossible to edit the 
>files in the arrange window.  It seems to allow me to program 
>automation for individual pieces of audio files
>

Sounds like hyperdraw.  With default key mappings, F12 will turn
it off. Otherwise, from the window menu, View->Hyper Draw->off

Best,

Art
Glaresoft

iDrum - The Drum Machine for Mac OS X
http://www.glaresoft.com

> OK....I think I should be embarrassed about this.  I've been using 
> Logic for years so I'm certain I should know about this....but.  
> Yesterday I was working with some pieces of audio files in the arrange 
> window.  I did some kind of keyboard command....I haven't been able to 
> duplicate it....and the audio files in that track turned blue.  
> Well....I don't mind blue....but it makes it impossible to edit the 
> files in the arrange window.  It seems to allow me to program 
> automation for individual pieces of audio files...that's nice...but I 
> don't need to do that right now.  Please tell me what function I've 
> enabled and how to turn it off.  Thanks a bunch
> 
> sheepishly,
> julie

Julie, 

Why not open your "Undo History" and undo the changes up to that point?

Paul
-- 
Paul Zimmer
(ZAP! - Music and Sound Design)
www.zimmeraudio.com


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You either turned on trackbased autmation or hyperdraw.
Just look into the functions menu how to turn that off.

Sascha

> On 5/7/04, Julie Larson wrote:
>
>  [...]
>  >and the audio files in that track turned blue.�
>  >Well....I don't mind blue....but it makes it impossible to edit the
>  >files in the arrange window.� It seems to allow me to program
>  >automation for individual pieces of audio files

On May 7, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Art Gillespie wrote:

>  Sounds like hyperdraw.� With default key mappings, F12 will turn
>  it off. Otherwise, from the window menu, View->Hyper Draw->off
>
>  Best,
>
>  Art

Thanks everyone for your help!  It was hyperdraw.

regards,
julie