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Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help

Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help

2005-01-04 by Aaron Rosenberg

Hey EXS and EXSManager fans, I know the time-honored notion of RTFM, so
I did. But after all was said and done I managed to send all of my
Native Instruments WAV/AIFF files to a random directory and pull them
out of their homes forcing me to install the libraries again. There were
also a ton of instruments in the red. Sad to say, the $99 application
with my misunderstanding or whatever has made my life more difficult
instead of easier. 

The basic point is I have .exs and samples all over my machine
(different directories, drives, etc.). How can I easily move all
non-duplicate .exs instruments into my sampler instruments folder and
move the respective samples into directory x. For such a helpful, simple
application, I'm find this to be a difficult task. God knows why. Any
help is greatly appreciated. Am I supposed to use Logic Project Manager
in conjunction with it?

Thanks, Aaron



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Re: [EXS] Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help

2005-01-04 by James Ryan

> From: Aaron Rosenberg <aaron@...>
> Reply-To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 12:01:27 -0500
> To: "logic-users@yahoogroups.com" <'logic-users@yahoogroups.com'>,
> "exs-users@yahoogroups.com" <'exs-users@yahoogroups.com'>
> Subject: [EXS] Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help
> 
> 
> Hey EXS and EXSManager fans, I know the time-honored notion of RTFM, so
> I did. But after all was said and done I managed to send all of my
> Native Instruments WAV/AIFF files to a random directory and pull them
> out of their homes forcing me to install the libraries again. There were
> also a ton of instruments in the red. Sad to say, the $99 application
> with my misunderstanding or whatever has made my life more difficult
> instead of easier.
> 
> The basic point is I have .exs and samples all over my machine
> (different directories, drives, etc.). How can I easily move all
> non-duplicate .exs instruments into my sampler instruments folder and
> move the respective samples into directory x. For such a helpful, simple
> application, I'm find this to be a difficult task. God knows why. Any
> help is greatly appreciated. Am I supposed to use Logic Project Manager
> in conjunction with it?
> 
> Thanks, Aaron
> 

Send this request to Andrea at Redmatica.  I did the same thing and he
walked me through it.  It's not that difficult a job to repair.  His email
address is agoz@....

Re: [EXS] Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help

2005-01-04 by Mitchell DeFreytas

Open your Mac HD, and up in the right corner, if you
are all upgraded in OSX, do a search in the 'local
disks' box.  This should pull up all those files in
the designated folder.  Then you can move them where
you want them.
Mitchell

Re: [EXS] Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help

2005-01-04 by Peter Ostry

On 04.01.2005, at 18:01, Aaron Rosenberg wrote:

> Hey EXS and EXSManager fans, I know the time-honored notion of RTFM, so
> I did. But after all was said and done I managed to send all of my
> Native Instruments WAV/AIFF files to a random directory and pull them
> out of their homes forcing me to install the libraries again. There 
> were
> also a ton of instruments in the red. Sad to say, the $99 application
> with my misunderstanding or whatever has made my life more difficult
> instead of easier.

I believe the instruments turned to red because they lost their sample 
location and were incomplete. Will you beat me if I say that you most 
likely can repair that by setting the sample directory to a higher 
hierarchical level and run the program again?

Second hint: before you reorganize the next time, empty the trash and 
check the option "Also references to trash" on top of the ExsManager's 
main window. And go to the "General" page - be sure that "Files deleted 
are sent to trashcan" is selected. This will help you if you accidently 
delete samples with ExsManager because the files in the trash remain 
referenced.


> The basic point is I have .exs and samples all over my machine
> (different directories, drives, etc.). How can I easily move all
> non-duplicate .exs instruments into my sampler instruments folder and
> move the respective samples into directory x. For such a helpful, 
> simple
> application, I'm find this to be a difficult task. God knows why. Any
> help is greatly appreciated. Am I supposed to use Logic Project Manager
> in conjunction with it?

Excuse the length of the description below, I simply think it can help 
you to avoid the same trap you are in...

ExsManager cannot move instruments except from sample directories to 
the one and only "Sample Instruments" directory you've set. If you have 
more than one instrument directory now, I think the additional ones 
were created during reinstallation of the libraries.

The program cannot help you recreating instruments. It's job is to 
organize samples according to instruments. So you have to rebuild the 
instrument structure from scratch. This is the time to rethink the 
organization. If you don't mind I tell you how I did it after several 
trials and errors:

===== first my stuff =====
I do not merge libraries. Not in the instrument folder and not the 
samples - I feel uneasy if everything is mingled :) - so I have the 
following:
----------
Sampler Instruments
     Logic
         01 Piano
         02 Guitars
         ...and all others...
     PMI
         Emperor
         Old Lady
     Sampleheads
         Bass
             Fender Precision
             ...and others...
         Drums
...and so on...
----------
Sampler Library
     Logic
         ...Samples...
     PMI
         Emperor
             ...Samples...
         Old Lady
             ...Samples...
...and so on...
----------

In ExsManager this structure allowes to select a single library folder 
as instrument directory and a single folder as "aux dir" were the 
sample files go. For example if I want to rebuild the Old Lady, I set 
"Sampler Instruments/PMI/Old Lady" as instrument directory and "Sampler 
Library/PMI/Old Lady" as aux directory. I never lost control since I do 
it that way. And it is fast.

"Sampler Instruments" and "Sampler Library" are located in a folder 
"Samples" in my home directory.


===== now your part =====

Make a finder search to locate all instrument folders you have. Combine 
them (by hand) to a single directory in the structure you want, in a 
new folder called "Sampler Instruments", located anywhere on your disk. 
If you are ready, you have three choices to put this folder:

#1
/Library/Application Support/Logic/
This is the root level, some installers put their files here.

#2
~/Library/Application Support/Logic/
This is your user level, some installers put their files here (yes, 
here also...)

#3
Anywhere on your disk.

In case you choose #2 or #3 put an alias of your new folder into #1. So 
Logic will find the instruments. To be sure, open Logic and test your 
hierarchy. Most likely it will not play, but you see what you have 
done.

Now create a Folder "Sampler Library" anywhere. Create folders inside 
to reflect the instrument structure (not the full depth, two levels are 
usually enough).

---

Open Exsmanager.
If your samples are really all over the machine then set the [Sample 
dir] to the highest level: "/".
Set one of your directories of your new instrument folder as [Inst dir].
Set [Aux (dest) dir] to the correspondending folder in your "Sampler 
Library" folder.

For the first run use "Samples are moved when reorganizing" and set the 
other choices to "Moved to ... (maintain hierarchy)". Now analyze and 
see what ExsManager says. If you are happy, process. Check the "Sample 
Libraries" folder.

Carry on, step by step, until all your samples are at home. Then you 
can test them in Logic and - if you want - reorganize the instruments, 
run Exsmanager again on the same folders the files are in. Don't forget 
to set the [Sample dir] to the folder where the samples now are - that 
makes things very fast.

---
Last hint:
If you have problems moving or changing files on root level because of 
permissions, you can download the small Application "chop" from Apple. 
Open it, set the permissions to "777" if you are the only one on this 
machine and do not care about permissions. Afterwards you can drop any 
folder onto "chop" and the permissions are recursively released.
---

Good luck!

Peter Ostry

Re: [EXS] Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help

2005-01-05 by Andrea at Redmatica

Hello,
i just noticed this thread and would like to comment a couple of things.

Aaron Rosenberg wrote:

> Hey EXS and EXSManager fans, I managed to send all of my
> Native Instruments WAV/AIFF files to a random directory and pull them
> out of their homes forcing me to install the libraries again.

You could have repaired your actions by using ExsManager built-in 
"Restore" function. Before any operation, a "snapshot" of your file 
locations is automatically saved (unless you disable it!) so that you 
can go back to the starting situation.


Peter Ostry wrote:

> ExsManager cannot move instruments except from sample directories to
> the one and only "Sample Instruments" directory you've set. If you have
> more than one instrument directory now, I think the additional ones
> were created during reinstallation of the libraries.
>
> The program cannot help you recreating instruments. It's job is to
> organize samples according to instruments. So you have to rebuild the
> instrument structure from scratch.

This ("It's job is to organize samples according to instruments") is 
partially true. But the trick here is to use the "move instruments out 
of sample dir" function to grab all .exs instruments from a volume or 
even the entire system, and move them to a single folder. Just ignore 
the samples for a moment:
-set SampleDir to where your "disorganized" .exs instruments are (can 
be a folder, volume, also all the system)
-set InstDir to where you want them all to be
-set "Instruments in SampleDir are" to "Moved to InstDir and relinked 
(using hierarchies)" in the "Instruments" tab
- analyze and process

At this point all the .exs files that previously were in the 
"SampleDir" folder/volume will be automagically moved inside your 
InstDir.
Be careful in not moving song projects' .exs files or garageband 
instruments in this way.


>  This is the time to rethink the
> organization....
> ....In ExsManager this structure allowes to select a single library 
> folder
> as instrument directory and a single folder as "aux dir" were the
> sample files go. For example if I want to rebuild the Old Lady, I set
> "Sampler Instruments/PMI/Old Lady" as instrument directory and "Sampler
> Library/PMI/Old Lady" as aux directory. I never lost control since I do
> it that way. And it is fast.

This is an acceptable method, but you can do it in a faster/simpler 
way. Once you have a satisfying instrument folder structure, you can:
- set InstDir to your whole Instrument Folder
- set SampleDir to your whole sample folder
- turn on Samples Reorganization to "Use InstDir structure in SampleDir"
- you might want to enable clone and unused processing too

Now every time you analyze and process, all samples inside SampleDir 
will be checked and automatically moved to their right folders, for all 
instruments  at once, so that you can add samples quite randomly and 
ExsManager will take care of everything. A click on "Clean" for the 
SampleDir after each processing will also remove the unused folders 
that you might have created when moving the disorganized  samples 
there.

Best Regards
Andrea at Redmatica

Re: Redmatica EXSManager Pro: Issues and Help

2005-01-05 by steinway03

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Rosenberg" <aaron@p...> wrote:
> The basic point is I have .exs and samples all over my machine
> (different directories, drives, etc.). How can I easily move all
> non-duplicate .exs instruments into my sampler instruments folder and
> move the respective samples into directory x. 
> 
> Thanks, Aaron
> 
Aaron, have  you tried getting in touch with Andrea at Redmatica?  If you tell him exactly 
what you did and what happened, he has a track record of doing his best.  He's sent me 
detailed EXS-surgery instructions even including jpgs of what the screen should look like 
before or after a given step in the procedure.  And his procedures have worked.

Cheers,
Larry

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Using Redmatica EXSManager Pro with 7.1

2005-06-10 by revDAVE

I would like to relink my exs samples after upgrading to 7.1.

 Most of the relinking went fine,  but I think I might have  messed some
stuff up regarding -  the new factory sounds ...  I believe some of the new
factory sounds samples are stored in two places the logic folder and also
some are also in the garage band folder ...

Q:  How do I correct this situation -  since I think all the sample
Instruments are stored together but the samples are in these two different
folders?

 

--
Thanks - RevDave
CoolCat@...
[db-lists]

Re: [EXS] Using Redmatica EXSManager Pro with 7.1

2005-06-10 by Colin Shapiro

>I would like to relink my exs samples after upgrading to 7.1.
>
>  Most of the relinking went fine,  but I think I might have  messed some
>stuff up regarding -  the new factory sounds ...  I believe some of the new
>factory sounds samples are stored in two places the logic folder and also
>some are also in the garage band folder ...
>
>Q:  How do I correct this situation -  since I think all the sample
>Instruments are stored together but the samples are in these two different
>folders?

In addition to selecting a "main" sample folder, you can set any 
number of other folders in <Paths>

Please check the manual on exactly how to do this.

Regards - Colin

Re: [EXS] Using Redmatica EXSManager Pro with 7.1

2005-06-11 by revDAVE

On 6/10/05 10:35 AM, "Colin Shapiro" <musos@...> wrote:

> In addition to selecting a "main" sample folder, you can set any
> number of other folders in <Paths>
> 
> Please check the manual on exactly how to do this.
> 
> Regards - Colin


Thanks - that worked!

Now I see that there  are some instruments -  in the garage band samples
folder like Alto Sax -  that  do not have a suffix -  so they're listed
simply as documents -  and therefore the EXS manager doesn't seem to be able
to fix them...

-  are these samples screwed up somehow - because they don't say .aif -  I
am afraid to change the name and add the suffix -  because maybe garage band
will get screwed up and not see them anymore

Q:  how can I fixed this?

-- 
[db-lists]

Re: [EXS] Using Redmatica EXSManager Pro with 7.1

2005-06-14 by Colin Shapiro

>Thanks - that worked!

Good - you're welcome.

>
>Now I see that there  are some instruments -  in the garage band samples
>folder like Alto Sax -  that  do not have a suffix -  so they're listed
>simply as documents -  and therefore the EXS manager doesn't seem to be able
>to fix them...
>
>-  are these samples screwed up somehow - because they don't say .aif -  I
>am afraid to change the name and add the suffix -  because maybe garage band
>will get screwed up and not see them anymore
>
>Q:  how can I fixed this?

I remember that when I ran EXS Manager I also had some funny problems 
with certain Garageband files. Because the instruments were so small 
(unlike Vienna Library for example) they load quickly in EXS24 or 
Garageband, so I just left them alone.

Sorry I can't help more.....

Regards - Colin

Re: [EXS] Using Redmatica EXSManager Pro with 7.1

2005-06-17 by Andrea at Redmatica

On Jun 11, 2005, at 5:51 AM, revDAVE wrote:
> Now I see that there  are some instruments -  in the garage band  
> samples
> folder like Alto Sax -  that  do not have a suffix -  so they're  
> listed
> simply as documents -  and therefore the EXS manager doesn't seem  
> to be able
> to fix them...
>
> -  are these samples screwed up somehow - because they don't  
> say .aif -  I
> am afraid to change the name and add the suffix -  because maybe  
> garage band
> will get screwed up and not see them anymore
>
> Q:  how can I fixed this?

There's an option in ExsManager (Options/Scan/Also scan files without  
suffix) that will make EM recognize these files too.
You can also enable "Fix filename extensions for samples" and the  
samples will be renamed with the correct suffix (.aif, .wav, etc) for  
you automatically.


Best Regards
Andrea at Redmatica

Re: [EXS] Using Redmatica EXSManager Pro with 7.1

2005-06-19 by Colin Shapiro

Andrea at Redmatica wrote:
>There's an option in ExsManager (Options/Scan/Also scan files without 
>suffix) that will make EM recognize these files too.
>You can also enable "Fix filename extensions for samples" and the 
>samples will be renamed with the correct suffix (.aif, .wav, etc) for
>you automatically.

Thanks for that Andrea - I'd forgotten about that option.

Regards - Colin

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.