EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

--- lynnemoquin <lynnemoquin@...> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if Apple is aware of, or cares,
> that the Sonic Implants 
> library does not work properly with exs ? Referring
> to release samples or tails.
> Sonic Implants sales person said that while they
> enjoy a good relationship 
> with sampler developers, they are only releasing and
> continuing to work on 
> giga format for the symphonic library release
> scheduled for april 05. He didn't 
> know when if ever they would have exs versions of
> the brass, ww or perc.
> 

I bought the SI brass and sax soundfonts and couldn't
get them to work at all with EXS24. they were just
waayyy out of tune. I extracted the bare waves out of
the soundfonts with extreme sample converter- they
were still way out of tune !!! (????)

I was going to open the soundfonts in Vienna and try
to  apply the same settings to EXS manually. I ended
up just using them in NN-XT. I had to adjust the
envelopes slightly but otherwise they worked fine in
reason. 

I'm still scratching my head over why the bare waves
were out of tune in logic. It's been a while, but i'm
sure i assigned the correct root note.

john mason wrote:
> I'm still scratching my head over why the bare waves
> were out of tune in logic. It's been a while, but i'm
> sure i assigned the correct root note.

Pretty weird indeed.
I suspect some sample rate issues - could it be that they're 48kHz samples?

- Sascha

on 4/4/05 11:17 AM, john mason at bigggbaddjohn@... wrote:

> 
> 
> --- lynnemoquin <lynnemoquin@...> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know if Apple is aware of, or cares,
>> that the Sonic Implants
>> library does not work properly with exs ? Referring
>> to release samples or tails.
>> Sonic Implants sales person said that while they
>> enjoy a good relationship
>> with sampler developers, they are only releasing and
>> continuing to work on
>> giga format for the symphonic library release
>> scheduled for april 05. He didn't
>> know when if ever they would have exs versions of
>> the brass, ww or perc.
>> 
> 
> I bought the SI brass and sax soundfonts and couldn't
> get them to work at all with EXS24. they were just
> waayyy out of tune. I extracted the bare waves out of
> the soundfonts with extreme sample converter- they
> were still way out of tune !!! (????)
> 
> I was going to open the soundfonts in Vienna and try
> to  apply the same settings to EXS manually. I ended
> up just using them in NN-XT. I had to adjust the
> envelopes slightly but otherwise they worked fine in
> reason. 
> 
> I'm still scratching my head over why the bare waves
> were out of tune in logic. It's been a while, but i'm
> sure i assigned the correct root note.
> 
> 

These are two different problems. The SI soundfont issue is something I've
run into myself, with regard to the orchestral brass. I had to go into the
EXS instrument and retune every note. Unfortunately, there is pitch
correction information in the soundfonts that is not converted properly by
EXS24. The samples themselves are way out of tune, and all to different
degrees. This is especially bad because in some of the instruments, more
than one sample is played for each key.

The release sample problem is something else entirely.

Don

At 01:31 PM 4/4/2005 -0700, you wrote:

> >> Does anyone know if Apple is aware of, or cares,
> >> that the Sonic Implants
> >> library does not work properly with exs ? Referring
> >> to release samples or tails.
> > I bought the SI brass and sax soundfonts and couldn't
> > get them to work at all with EXS24. they were just
> > waayyy out of tune. I extracted the bare waves out of
> > the soundfonts - they were still way out of tune !!! (????)

> > I'm still scratching my head over why the bare waves
> > were out of tune in logic. It's been a while, but i'm
> > sure i assigned the correct root note.
>
>These are two different problems. The SI soundfont issue is something I've
>run into myself, with regard to the orchestral brass. I had to go into the
>EXS instrument and retune every note. Unfortunately, there is pitch
>correction information in the soundfonts that is not converted properly by
>EXS24. The samples themselves are way out of tune, and all to different
>degrees. This is especially bad because in some of the instruments, more
>than one sample is played for each key.

As Don mentioned below, the waves are for use in the SF - there is pitch 
correction in the zones. They are going to be out of tune by themselves.

Actually, this is a good idea for Translator - extraction of waves but 
corrected for values in zones, by way of tuning information or hard pitch 
correction in the sample data. Will do that after the Easter project... (hi 
Julie and Sean...)

So - EXS just doesn't convert the pitch data correctly. Use your friendly 
neighborhood third-party sample convertor.

>The release sample problem is something else entirely.

I'm not aware of release samples being in SF's, as they don't support 
release triggers.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User