EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Greetings,

I'm an EXS24 newbie, so please bear with me. I'm interested in buying some
downloadable drum sounds from a particular site. When it comes to available
formats, the website says:

"24bit WAV format. Mapped for HALion, Kontakt, NN-XT and Battery."

Do any of these formats easily import into the EXS24 without any third party
conversion software? If so, which format should I buy? I know the EXS can
easily import Akai & Giga, but I wasn't sure about the above formats.

Your insight would be appreciated.

Regards,
-Mark

On Sep ,23, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Mark Falchook wrote:

>  I'm an EXS24 newbie, so please bear with me. I'm interested in buying 
> some
>  downloadable drum sounds from a particular site. When it comes to 
> available
>  formats, the website says:
>
>  "24bit WAV format. Mapped for HALion, Kontakt, NN-XT and Battery."
>
>  Do any of these formats easily import into the EXS24 without any 
> third party
>  conversion software? If so, which format should I buy? I know the EXS 
> can
>  easily import Akai & Giga, but I wasn't sure about the above formats.

Without third party software, your best bet are the wav format files 
for drum sounds; providing they are not velocity switch samples. You 
can easily load multiple wav files at once and have the EXS 
automatically map them out chromatically across the keyboard, all in 
one shot.

But if they are velocity based multi samples, then it's a different 
story. Unless they are all uniformly sampled across the velocity ranges 
equally (in which case you can import them in kind and treat them as 
groups), I don't think there is any easy way around having to manually 
adjust the velocity ranges and other parameters on a sample by sample 
basis.


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Seriously, when it comes to drums, I highly recommend getting something in addition to the EXS. Battery 2 right now might be your
best bet.
I find drum mapping (especially velocity mapping) to be a way too laborious experience in the EXS, and as the import function is
only covering a few, rather old-ish formats (which more than often enough aren't imported properly, too), you won't have much luck
with existing libraries either.

So, to make use of the latter, you've got three choices:
- Go through the remapping nightmares.
- Buy a translator tool, such as CDxtract or Translator (having one of them might be a more or less something like a must one
day...).
- Buy a dedicated drum sampler.

If programming drums is one of the main things you're concerned about (it certainly is for me), I'd go for the last option. I simply
couldn't live without a dedicated drum sampler anymore.

- Sascha

Ely,
 
Thanks for your reply. Assuming that they are not velocity switch
samples, is it a simple drag-and-drop-onto-EXS operation? And if so,
will the samples playback at their original pitches despite what keys
they are mapped to, or will I have to manually edit the pitches?

Thanks again,
-Mark

> Without third party software, your best bet are the wav format files 
> for drum sounds; providing they are not velocity switch samples. You 
> can easily load multiple wav files at once and have the EXS 
> automatically map them out chromatically across the keyboard, all in 
> one shot.

On Sep ,24, 2005, at 8:18 AM, mfalchook wrote:

> Ely,
>
>  Thanks for your reply. Assuming that they are not velocity switch
>  samples, is it a simple drag-and-drop-onto-EXS operation?

No, not drag and drop. But it's just as easy. There is a "load multiple 
samples" option under one of the menus in the EXS instrument editor.

>  And if so,
>  will the samples playback at their original pitches despite what keys
>  they are mapped to,

Yes. You are presented with a dialogue box with a few options when you 
load multiple samples. One of the options is to load them all in 
chromatically (like a drum kit) with them all remaining at their root 
pitch. So there is no additional work necessary, unless you want to 
rearrange the order they are loaded in.

> will I have to manually edit the pitches?

No.

--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Thanks Ely!

-Mark

> No, not drag and drop. But it's just as easy. There is a "load multiple 
> samples" option under one of the menus in the EXS ins

On 9/24/05 2:18 AM, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@...> wrote:

> Seriously, when it comes to drums, I highly recommend getting something in
> addition to the EXS. Battery 2 right now might be your
> best bet.
> I find drum mapping (especially velocity mapping) to be a way too laborious
> experience in the EXS, and as the import function is
> only covering a few, rather old-ish formats (which more than often enough
> aren't imported properly, too), you won't have much luck
> with existing libraries either.
> 
> So, to make use of the latter, you've got three choices:
> - Go through the remapping nightmares.
> - Buy a translator tool, such as CDxtract or Translator (having one of them
> might be a more or less something like a must one
> day...).
> - Buy a dedicated drum sampler.
> 
> If programming drums is one of the main things you're concerned about (it
> certainly is for me), I'd go for the last option. I simply
> couldn't live without a dedicated drum sampler anymore.
> 
> - Sascha

Hi Sasha  

I do a lot of beats and have been interested in Battery for a while but I¹ve
heard that NI plugins have some compatibility issues with Logic/TDM.

Is it stable?  What¹s your system setup?

Thanks
Dave

Hi Dave,

> I do a lot of beats and have been interested in Battery for a while but I\ufffdve
> heard that NI plugins have some compatibility issues with Logic/TDM.

> Is it stable?

To be honest, I never used any TDM system, so I can't tell you anything about that.
They're running fairly stable as AUs on the university's G5s (which I am sort of maintaining) though.

> What\ufffds your system setup?

My private setup is still based on a Windows machine, mainly running Logic 5.5.1 (and I'm happy with it, too).

Regards,
Sascha

On 9/24/05 12:11 PM, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@...> wrote:


> To be honest, I never used any TDM system, so I can't tell you anything about that.
> They're running fairly stable as AUs on the university's G5s (which I am sort
> of maintaining) though.
> 
>> > What¹s your system setup?
> 
> My private setup is still based on a Windows machine, mainly running Logic
> 5.5.1 (and I'm happy with it, too).
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha

Thanks for the detail Sasha.  I don¹t know where I¹ve heard about NI- Logic
conflicts with TDM.  I¹m interested in Battery though so I think I¹ll ask on
the Logic-TDM list.

* Dave

At 10:51 AM -0700 2005.09.24, David Gordon wrote:
>I do a lot of beats and have been interested in Battery for a while but I've
>heard that NI plugins have some compatibility issues with Logic/TDM.

That might be true for HTDM/RTAS versions (I'm native now), but in 
Logic wouldn't you be using them routed into ESB-TDM? If so, they 
will be running native just like any other AU, no?

Btw, I'd also recommend Battery 2 for drums and single-hit samples 
with individual settings.

Glenn

I used Kontact a bit ago under TDM and while it worked on paper and I met my
deadline, at the end of the day I didn't find it to be very stable at all
and probably would be hard pressed to install it again. Your mileage may
vary.

best, Nathan
___
Nathan Rosenberg
Music Production

The Doghouse NYC
www.doghouseNYC.com 

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> Subject: Re: [EXS] Best format?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/24/05 12:11 PM, "Sascha Franck" <S.Franck@...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > To be honest, I never used any TDM system, so I can't tell you anything
> about that.
> > They're running fairly stable as AUs on the university's G5s (which I am
> sort
> > of maintaining) though.
> >
> >> > What¹s your system setup?
> >
> > My private setup is still based on a Windows machine, mainly running
> Logic
> > 5.5.1 (and I'm happy with it, too).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sascha
> 
> Thanks for the detail Sasha.  I don¹t know where I¹ve heard about NI-
> Logic
> conflicts with TDM.  I¹m interested in Battery though so I think I¹ll ask
> on
> the Logic-TDM list.
> 
> * Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi chaps,
There appears to be an issue with the amount/Max no' of EXS instruments 
allowed in your EXS instruments folder. I am still on Logic 6 but could 
anyone shed any light on this: Strangely enough they appear in the EXS 
drop-down menu list within Logic but do not allow selection from this list.
My Sampler instrument collection appears to be too much for Logic..???
Thanks in advance for any light shed..
Sam

At 12:33 PM 9/27/2005 +0000, you wrote:

>There appears to be an issue with the amount/Max no' of EXS instruments
>allowed in your EXS instruments folder. I am still on Logic 6 but could
>anyone shed any light on this: Strangely enough they appear in the EXS
>drop-down menu list within Logic but do not allow selection from this list.
>My Sampler instrument collection appears to be too much for Logic..???
>Thanks in advance for any light shed..

I have a light shed in the back of my house. It's a little house built for 
putting in riding lawn mowers and such, I put a bunch of lights in there 
for storage and now I call it my light shed.

j/k

Yeah, it's around 32,767 items that can be put in there. I'm not sure if 
that includes .exs files and folder or just .exs files. I know people that 
hit this limit and they've set up a shuttling system where they have 6-8 
"sets" that they pull in and out via aliases.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User