EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Message posted by Kirk Hunter <MuzkGuy@...>:

I don't think I am understanding the "save setting as..." menu on the exs
GUI.  Here is what I am trying to do:

After creating a viable instrument, let's say violas with a mod wheel swell,
I then save the setting as "modSwell".  Then I load up some cellos, and want
to apply the "modSwell" setting to the cellos.  When I load the "modSwell"
setting, the whole viola instrument, along with the samples and everything
gets loaded, which dumps the cellos I had up, as if instead of simply having
saved the setting before, the whole instrument got saved attached to the
"modSwell" setting. 

So how can I save a setting, and then later apply it to other instruments?

On Aug ,13, 2006, at 1:11 PM, Kirk Hunter wrote:

>  I don't think I am understanding the "save setting as..." menu on the 
> exs
>  GUI. Here is what I am trying to do:
>
>  After creating a viable instrument, let's say violas with a mod wheel 
> swell,
>  I then save the setting as "modSwell". Then I load up some cellos, 
> and want
>  to apply the "modSwell" setting to the cellos. When I load the 
> "modSwell"
>  setting, the whole viola instrument, along with the samples and 
> everything
>  gets loaded, which dumps the cellos I had up, as if instead of simply 
> having
>  saved the setting before, the whole instrument got saved attached to 
> the
>  "modSwell" setting.

Yup - that's the way it works. The save settings as command functions 
with both the front panel settings and the samples in tandem.

>  So how can I save a setting, and then later apply it to other 
> instruments?
>

I think the only way would be to make a template with no samples 
loaded. Ten when you call up the "settings" preset - load the samples 
in after. It's not really very practical for complex sample mappings, 
but it's the only way I can think of.


--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

At 12:11 PM 8/13/2006, you wrote:
>Message posted by Kirk Hunter <MuzkGuy@...>:
>
>I don't think I am understanding the "save setting as..." menu on the exs
>GUI.  Here is what I am trying to do:
>
>After creating a viable instrument, let's say violas with a mod wheel swell,
>I then save the setting as "modSwell".  Then I load up some cellos, and want
>to apply the "modSwell" setting to the cellos.  When I load the "modSwell"
>setting, the whole viola instrument, along with the samples and everything
>gets loaded, which dumps the cellos I had up, as if instead of simply having
>saved the setting before, the whole instrument got saved attached to the
>"modSwell" setting.
>
>So how can I save a setting, and then later apply it to other instruments?

Kirk, in Translator, there is a "Apply Settings to EXS Instruments" 
under EXS Utilities. This will take a Settings chunk in a EXS file 
(the modulators, filters - everything that comes up under the space 
editor, not the EXS-24 Editor), and you can apply it to another 
EXS-24 instrument or a folder of Instruments. So every .exs file will 
have the same modulators, filter settings, etc.

It's not in the current build, but it's ion a private one that I can 
steer you to. Email I'll let you know.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

From: "Kirk Hunter" (forums@... lug_forums):

>  I don't think I am understanding the "Save Setting as..." menu
>  on the EXS GUI. Here is what I am trying to do:

>  After creating a viable instrument, let's say violas with a modwheel
>  swell, I then save the setting as "modSwell". Then I load up some cellos,
>  and want to apply the "modSwell" setting to the cellos. When I load the
>  "modSwell" setting, the whole viola instrument, along with the samples
>  and everything gets loaded, which dumps the cellos I had up, as if
>  instead of simply having saved the setting before, the whole instrument
>  got saved attached to the"modSwell" setting.

>  So how can I save a setting, and then later apply it to other instruments?

Hi Kirk -

Yes, you're correct, when you save an EXS "Setting" it's attached to 
the Instrument (complete with samples) that it references, so when 
you load the Setting the Instrument/Samples are also automatically 
loaded. To apply a Setting to a *different* Instrument, you have to 
do the following..

- Save a Setting you want to re-use (Let's call it Setting A)
- Load up a different Instrument you want to apply that Setting to
- In the Options submenu (right side EXS GUI) choose the menu option
   "Delete settings from instrument"
- Choose "Save instrument as" from the same submenu and give it a new
   name (let's call it Instrument A)
- Load Setting A - this will blow out the Instrument you just saved
   (Instrument A), but that's ok
- Now load Instrument A. Normally this would blow out the Setting
   and Instrument currently loaded, but since you just saved Instrument A
   with no settings, only the Instrument will be blown out, and the new
   Setting (Setting A) will remain loaded along with Instrument A
- Now you can save the settings from Setting A to Instrument A
   via the EXS GUI Options submenu with "Save settings to instrument"
- You can also save this new Instrument A with Setting A as a new Setting,
   with "Save Setting as" from the Settings submenu (left side EXS GUI) -
   this will create a Setting which references/loads Instrument A

Yes, it's a bit of a kludge, but it's easier to do than to describe - 
once you get the routine down it's pretty quick.. Perhaps someday 
Apple will implement the ability to load *just* a Setting without its 
associated Instrument, which would make this process less 
ass-backward.. ;-)

-- 
Cheers, Joe Albano
ROOFTOP PRODUCTIONS NYC NY
Music Production  : http://www.rooftopproductions.com
Freelance/Consult : http://www.rooftopproductions.com/Consulting.html

Message posted by Kirk Hunter <MuzkGuy@...>:

Thanks Eli.

I kind of figured that THAT was the only way, but thought it a bit back a__ward...

sheesh.  :)


Kirk

On Aug ,13, 2006, at 7:11 PM, Joe Albano wrote:

> To apply a Setting to a *different* Instrument, you have to
>  do the following..
>

Hi Joe - very interesting. I didn't know this was possible. Thanks.

--------
Eli Krantzberg
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com
Almat Productions

Message posted by Kirk Hunter <MuzkGuy@...>:

This does not work.  I tried it over and over again, but it simply does not work.  Honestly, just writing my setting down on a good old fashioned piece of paper and entering in the values is WAY faster than the lame system employed here.

However, I did notice that the PREVIOS instrument saved does seem to be able to be loaded and then have the settings apply to it.  Truthfully, the whole system is too buggy to be reliable, so the best thing to do until someone intelligent fixes this, is to simply create worksheets.  Very painful!

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> Message posted by Kirk Hunter <MuzkGuy@...>:
>
> This does not work.  I tried it over and over again, but it simply  
> does not work.  Honestly, just writing my setting down on a good  
> old fashioned piece of paper and entering in the values is WAY  
> faster than the lame system employed here.
>
On Aug 13, 2006, at 10:34 PM, Kirk Hunter wrote:

> However, I did notice that the PREVIOS instrument saved does seem  
> to be able to be loaded and then have the settings apply to it.   
> Truthfully, the whole system is too buggy to be reliable, so the  
> best thing to do until someone intelligent fixes this, is to simply  
> create worksheets.  Very painful!


How about taking a screen shot so you have a graphic display to refer  
to?

- Dave

Message posted by Kirk Hunter <MuzkGuy@...>:

screenshot.....EXACTLY!  :)