EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi all,

has anyone used Logic's Tempo Interpreter with the EXS24?
I just tried it, assigned a MIDI note to tap tempo, laid down a  
simple one-bar pattern (looped) on EXS24's instrument track and  
started tapping that key. I get "Sync error between MIDI and audio"  
messages all the time. I tried various settings in the tempo  
interpreter window. Am I doing something wrong or does that thing  
plainly not work at all?

And what the heck were the developers thinking coming up with a  
dialog box (that has to be prompted by clicking ok or pressing enter)  
in such a situation in a software that is intended for live use??

Ingo

>has anyone used Logic's Tempo Interpreter with the EXS24?
>I just tried it, assigned a MIDI note to tap tempo, laid down a 
>simple one-bar pattern (looped) on EXS24's instrument track and 
>started tapping that key. I get "Sync error between MIDI and audio" 
>messages all the time. I tried various settings in the tempo 
>interpreter window. Am I doing something wrong or does that thing
>plainly not work at all?

Hi Ingo,

I sometimes use the Tempo plug to quickly find the tempo of a piece 
of music for reference. I play an audio file through an audio 
channel, with the plug in slot 1 - after a while it flashes when it 
finds the tempo.
It works best with tracks that have a strong repetitive drum beat.

I have never tried it with tapping as you mention above....

Regards - Colin

>> has anyone used Logic's Tempo Interpreter with the EXS24?
>> I just tried it, assigned a MIDI note to tap tempo, laid down a
>> simple one-bar pattern (looped) on EXS24's instrument track and
>> started tapping that key. I get "Sync error between MIDI and audio"
>> messages all the time. ..
>
> On 15.10.2006, at 23:09, Colin Shapiro wrote:
> Hi Ingo,
> I sometimes use the Tempo plug to quickly find the tempo of a piece
> of music for reference. I play an audio file through an audio
> channel, with the plug in slot 1 - after a while it flashes when it
> finds the tempo.

There is a misunderstanding. Colin means the plugin "BPM Counter" but  
Ingo asked about Options>>Tempo>>Tempo Interpreter. That tiny window  
where you can tap on somehing to generate MIDI sync errors.

Ingo, if you want to tap you may want to try MidiClock which is  
freeware:
http://www.grantedsw.com
It builds a kind of buffer beteen you and Logic because it measures  
your taps and sends a MIDI clock out which you can use to synchronize  
Logic. Logic does not react as direcly as the manual claims for the  
Tempo Interpreter :-> but it follows the tempo reasonable good. Of  
course it goes much faster up than down but that is common for such  
stuff. And it is a bit of a mess to have another application to watch...

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Peter Ostry

>There is a misunderstanding. Colin means the plugin "BPM Counter" but 
>Ingo asked about Options>>Tempo>>Tempo Interpreter. That tiny window 
>where you can tap on somehing to generate MIDI sync errors.

You're right....I must need either more sleep or more coffee :-(
Colin

Am 16.10.2006 um 02:20 schrieb Peter Ostry:

> There is a misunderstanding. Colin means the plugin "BPM Counter" but
> Ingo asked about Options>>Tempo>>Tempo Interpreter.

Still a useful advice. I wasn't aware of the BPM counter.


>
> Ingo, if you want to tap you may want to try MidiClock which is
> freeware:
> http://www.grantedsw.com
> It builds a kind of buffer beteen you and Logic because it measures
> your taps and sends a MIDI clock out which you can use to synchronize
> Logic.

Thanks for the pointer, I just tried MidiClock. No more sync errors  
in Logic, but unfortunately it doesn't do what I need: I want to tap,  
say, four times and have the sequencer start with the fifth tap. Thus  
the sequencer and my tapping are immediately in sync. Logic's tempo  
interpreter does this (if it would work properly).
This is probably what MidiClock's "count in" is supposed to do, but I  
can't get it to work. The internal metronome of MidiClock starts  
clicking with the first tap and continues clicking after the fourth,  
and also changes tempo when I change the rate of my tapping. But  
that's all, Logic doesn't start and no MIDI clock messages appear at  
the MIDI output (it does both when Midi Clock's "count in" is off).  
Also MidiClock cannot be stopped anymore, I have to quit it.

Seems like a bug to me. I'll contact the makers of MidiClock.

Ingo

On 22.10.2006, at 13:21, Ingo Debus wrote:

>> Ingo, if you want to tap you may want to try MidiClock which is
>> freeware:
>> http://www.grantedsw.com
>> It builds a kind of buffer beteen you and Logic because it measures
>> your taps and sends a MIDI clock out which you can use to synchronize
>> Logic.
>
> Thanks for the pointer, I just tried MidiClock. No more sync errors
> in Logic, but unfortunately it doesn't do what I need: I want to tap,
> say, four times and have the sequencer start with the fifth tap. Thus
> the sequencer and my tapping are immediately in sync. Logic's tempo
> interpreter does this (if it would work properly).

MidiClock is somehow tricky to configure and there is unfortunately  
no manual (at least I didn't find one). I always click on buttons  
more or less randomly until it does someting I can work with. I do  
not remember exactly how the count in works but I remember that I  
couldn't use it how I wanted. But if you can count in and start later  
to play it works. Just exactly at a certain bar is difficult if not  
impossible.


> I'll contact the makers of MidiClock.

Please ask them to write a short description about the functions.  
Even for freeware it is annoying to see a thing the first time and  
start to mess around for an hour to find out basic functions. And if  
it works it must not be freeware at all ...


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Peter Ostry

Am 22.10.2006 um 17:09 schrieb Peter Ostry:

> MidiClock is somehow tricky to configure and there is unfortunately
> no manual (at least I didn't find one).


A small readme.rtf file is included, that's all. At least it has a  
chapter "Using MidiClock", but it's hardly a real user's manual.

> I always click on buttons
> more or less randomly until it does someting I can work with. I do
> not remember exactly how the count in works but I remember that I
> couldn't use it how I wanted. But if you can count in and start later
> to play it works. Just exactly at a certain bar is difficult if not
> impossible.

Yep, that's exactly my problem.

Ingo