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Redmatica EXS manager

2007-03-14 by Donovan R.

I'm in the process of updating my home studio.  Consequently, I've  
imported my 16 CD Emu ESI library onto a drive (using CDXtract), plus  
I've gotten a couple of Apple Jam Packs, Keith Hunter Emerald, etc.   
When the Jam Pack World instruments got lumped in with the Jam Pack  
Symphony instruments by the default installer routine (as "Garage  
Band Insruments," with no distinction between Symphony and World), I  
got the idea that it would be useful to be able to manage my sample  
library with some help from software, so I got the highly touted  
Redmatica EXS manager and installed in on my MBP where I have 10.4.8  
and Logic 7.2.3.

I realize it's a very good thing to keep samples assoiciated to the  
correct instrument, which EXS manager seems to excel at, but I'm  
mainly interested at this time in being able to see instruments  
nicely filed away in a (to me) cogent filing system so I can find  
them easily.  I've done a read through of the manual, and I guess I  
could do some experiments to see which EXS Manager option of moving  
the samples and their instruments will best suit my needs.  However,  
I thought I would ask here first how others have moved around their  
EXS24 libraries using the Redmatica program.  Which settings did you  
use to accomplish this?  I'm a little leery of pulling the trigger on  
moving stuff, because there doesn't seem to be a way to restore  
things to the original locations.  Is there?

I've searched the archives for clues without finding any  
particulars.  Any tidbits appreciated. Thanks...

Donovan Rundle

Re: [EXS] Redmatica EXS manager

2007-03-15 by Peter Ostry

On 14.03.2007, at 23:22, Donovan R. wrote:

> I realize it's a very good thing to keep samples assoiciated to the
> correct instrument, which EXS manager seems to excel at,

The information about the samples is in the .exs insrument file. That  
association is a must, otherwise the instrument won't find its  
samples. You don't have to set any of those assignments yourself (and  
you can't anyway).


> but I'm
> mainly interested at this time in being able to see instruments
> nicely filed away in a (to me) cogent filing system so I can find
> them easily.

You can have your own instruments in any hierarchie you want by  
simply creating folders in the Mac's finder as you are used t. Then  
tell the EXS Manager the paths. The more different paths you have,  
the more runs you need in the Manager because you have to tell it  
each target path.

Note: if it is not absolutely necessary rather do not reorganize the  
factory samples installed by Logic itself. Although that does no  
harm, that folder might get messed up during an update.

It is a good idea to organize your own stuff as you need it by  
creating folders and subfolders right in the "Sampler Instruments"  
folder beside the factory settings folder.


> I've done a read through of the manual, and I guess I
> could do some experiments to see which EXS Manager option of moving
> the samples and their instruments will best suit my needs.

That is the perfect start. Try small chunks first to get familiar  
with the program. If you are afraid to ruin something duplicate some  
of your instruments and samples, move them to a safe place and try  
the different options within that playground.

The program is transparent. It moves, creates and deletes files  
according to your wishes, always keeping the links between  
instruments and samples intact. It even repairs weak links. The  
result is always clearly visible. Of course, you have to respect the  
rules of the EXS and Logic. So always keep the instrument folder  
named "Sampler Instruments".


> However,
> I thought I would ask here first how others have moved around their
> EXS24 libraries using the Redmatica program.  Which settings did you
> use to accomplish this?

I personally prefer to have my instruments in a menu tree I like and  
don“t care where the samples are. I just let the EXS Manager move the  
instruments to my "Sampler Instruments" folder and the samples to the  
"Samples" folder, the latter organized in a generic hierarchie  
offered by the EXS Manager. You may prefer another system. Just  
create folders, set paths you think will fit for you and hit the  
process button. Then look if the result (the copied or moved files)  
are how you like them. You can reorganize them at any time with the  
EXS manager.

To start, look at the numerous organization examples in the manual  
and try some of them. They just look complicated but are just  
examples of file hierarchies you will generate yourself by setting  
some parameters and hitting the process button.


> I'm a little leery of pulling the trigger on
> moving stuff, because there doesn't seem to be a way to restore
> things to the original locations.  Is there?

There is. The EXS manager maintains it's own database of snapshots  
where your actions are stored. If you mess something up you can go  
back to a previous state.

If the EXS manager is concerned about your current choice it shows  
series of warnings and explananations you may override od not. There  
are so many, after a while you will decide to turn those off you do  
not need.

If your settings include file deletion, activate the checkbox "Also  
references to trash". In case you did something wrong EXS Manager can  
recover your deleted files. I guess it is self-evident that you  
should not empty the trash while you are working. That would break  
the Manager's smartness ;-)

More security: Processing instruments and files is a 2-stage process.  
After you've set the parameters you can only hit the Analyze button.  
Make it to your habit to check the analysis along the right side of  
the main window. You will quickly learn to interpret most of the  
fields and they show you the organizational quality of your chosen  
instruments and samples. If you see missing samples or such stuff,  
investigate. The instruments might not be in a good condition. Or you  
just provided a wrong path, then correct that and run the analysis  
again.

But honestly, there is not a great chance for serious damage. EXS  
Manager maintains the links between instruments and samples and if  
you tell it the paths it will always collect the stuff in the  
location you want. I did a lot of nonsense but even I did not manage  
to ruin my setup. And you have the originals of your libraries  
anyway, so if it isn't something like the VSL it is not a great  
action to reinstall a couple of them.

The program is great and counts as "essential" for EXS users. I am  
pretty sure that once you got used to you cannot imagine that people  
organize their stuff without it.

__
Peter Ostry

Re: [EXS] Redmatica EXS manager

2007-03-15 by Andrea at Redmatica

.... and of course, you are always welcome to contact  
support@...

Best Regards
Andrea at Redmatica

Re: Redmatica EXS manager

2007-03-17 by Donovan Rundle

> On 14.03.2007, at 23:22, Donovan R. wrote:
> 
I realize it's a very good thing to keep samples assoiciated to the
correct instrument, which EXS manager seems to excel at,
[snip]
Peter wrote:
[snip]
> The program is great and counts as "essential" for EXS users. I am  
> pretty sure that once you got used to you cannot imagine that people  
> organize their stuff without it.
> 
> __
> Peter Ostry

Peter,
Thanks to your informative and encouraging remarks, I have tackled the program in 
earnest and verified all that you said in the process.  I processed my Emu library 
surprisingly quickly to seek out "clones" (even checking the entire sample file, BTW rather 
than just the first 60,000 samples) and had the culprits (for me) moved to the trash.  I 
have the "primaries" so there is probably no harm in deleting the clones.  This has put an 
end to the annoying messages I was getting constantly (when I would load an instrument 
from this collection) to the effect that there were identical samples lurking, etc.  Now, 
loading is practically instantaneous.

One thing that troubles me a little is the many megabytes of "unused" samples which exist 
despite the fact that all 20,000 plus instuments are now "complete," despite a significant 
incidence of "weak references."  I had EXS mgr. move these orphan samples to an "aux" 
file.  I spot checked here and there and was unable to find an instrument which was 
noticably suffering missing samples. 

I attribute the detachment of these samples not to EXS manager, which has merely 
reported them, but perhaps to CDXract or even the original Emu CD's.  I'm grateful for its 
existence, however CDxtract seems to have "demapped" my Emu drumkits and just broke 
the individual samples out as it they were separate instruments, so maybe I'll get "Keymap" 
to expedite reassembling them.  Something has been lost in translation here and there, I 
guess, but at this point, I'm moving on from that project.  I have a much more accessible 
collection now, in any event.  I can always resort to using the hardware if things seem 
amiss.

Also, thanks to Andrea at Redmatica for the invitation to query Redmatica support.

Re: [EXS] Re: Redmatica EXS manager

2007-03-18 by Peter Ostry

On 17.03.2007, at 18:20, Donovan Rundle wrote:

> Thanks to your informative and encouraging remarks, I have tackled  
> the program in
> earnest and verified all that you said in the process.

That at least proves that I don't tell nonsense the whole day. Half  
of the day, perhaps.


> One thing that troubles me a little is the many megabytes of  
> "unused" samples which exist
> despite the fact that all 20,000 plus instuments are now  
> "complete," despite a significant
> incidence of "weak references."  I had EXS mgr. move these orphan  
> samples to an "aux"
> file.  I spot checked here and there and was unable to find an  
> instrument which was
> noticably suffering missing samples.

Moving them to a separate place was a good idea. I know of four  
reasons for orphaned samples.

1 - There is (or was) an instrument somewhere, which EXS manager  
doesn't see and the samples belong to that instrument.

2 - The samples originally belonged to one of your used instrument  
but are actually not used and not linked in the original instrument  
file. Some developers don't delete individual samples after they  
decided not to use them.

3 - The samples belong to a library you have but do not belong to an  
instrument because they are for special usage.

4 - The samples are from somewhere else (CD, etc) and don't belong to  
an instrument. They are probably not even that type of samples but  
other audio files.

20,000 instruments? Wow. Didn't kow that the EXS can handle that  
many. Must take days to find a sound.


> I attribute the detachment of these samples not to EXS manager,  
> which has merely
> reported them, but perhaps to CDXract or even the original Emu CD's.

Yeah, something like that. If the names can't, the sounds of the  
samples might give you a clue about their origin.


___
Peter Ostry

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.