EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hi Folks,
I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups defined.
Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes)
Group 2- Drones

I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal),  
While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all  
in 1 EXs instrument.

The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal down  
while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the  
left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels.

Any thoughts?

Thanks so much!
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Dennis Burns
Bolder Sounds
Boulder Colorado
http://www.boldersounds.com
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--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Burns <dennis@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups defined.
> Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes)
> Group 2- Drones
> 
> I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal),  
> While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all  
> in 1 EXs instrument.

I don't think you can selectively filter out CCs with the EXS. There may be a workaround 
though. Assuming the chanter is monophonic, you can define it's group to play only one 
voice. You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the group to use as a 
mute.

-Matt

> 
> The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal down  
> while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the  
> left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks so much!
> ---------------------------------------
> Dennis Burns
> Bolder Sounds
> Boulder Colorado
> http://www.boldersounds.com
> ----------------------------------------
>

On 21/05/2007, at 9:28 AM, mandcmiller wrote:

> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Burns <dennis@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups defined.
>> Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes)
>> Group 2- Drones
>>
>> I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal),
>> While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all
>> in 1 EXs instrument.
>
> I don't think you can selectively filter out CCs with the EXS.  
> There may be a workaround
> though. Assuming the chanter is monophonic, you can define it's  
> group to play only one
> voice. You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the  
> group to use as a
> mute.

Why not copy the same EXS instrument to 2 different instruments (it  
doesn't take up any more memory). The you can copy the midi part to  
the second instrument and delete the CC64 messages from it and limit  
by keyrange for both.

If you wanted the same functionality for live input you could split  
the incoming midi stream via note range and then use a transformer to  
filter the CC64 from the appropriate stream.

The are no easier ways I know of.

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Paul Najar
Jaminajar Music Production
www.jaminajar.com

>
> > I'm working on a set of bagpipes in the EXS. I have 2 Groups  
> defined.
> > Group 1- chanter (melodic part of the pipes)
> > Group 2- Drones
> >
> > I'd like to have Group 1 (chanter) ignore cc#64 (sustain pedal),
> > While group 2 (drones) continues to recognize cc #64 messages - all
> > in 1 EXs instrument.
>
> I don't think you can selectively filter out CCs with the EXS.  
> There may be a workaround
> though. Assuming the chanter is monophonic, you can define it's  
> group to play only one
> voice. You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the  
> group to use as a
> mute.
>
> -Matt
>
> >
> > The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal down
> > while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the
> > left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels.
>> .



Yes, I've got the chanter set to 1 voice, but it still does not give  
me what I'm looking for. I'd also like the drones to ignore pitch and  
mod wheel messages that are sent to the chanter as well.
  Looks like I should just set up separate instruments for the  
chanter and drones for independent control. It's just a bit more fun  
to pay these things in real time from one instrument. I was able to  
set them up this way with Kontakt as well as the Motif.

On 21.05.2007, at 06:54, Dennis Burns wrote:
> Yes, I've got the chanter set to 1 voice, but it still does not give
> me what I'm looking for. I'd also like the drones to ignore pitch and
> mod wheel messages that are sent to the chanter as well.
> Looks like I should just set up separate instruments for the
> chanter and drones for independent control. It's just a bit more fun
> to pay these things in real time from one instrument. I was able to
> set them up this way with Kontakt as well as the Motif.

You could open two EXS and use the environment to create a new midi  
instrument, cable it's output two transformers (filtering out what  
you don't need) and then cable it to the two EXS isntruments.

When you play it they will both play in real time.

Cheers
Hans

Posted by: "Dennis Burns" dennis@...   boldersounds2003
Sun May 20, 2007 10:27 pm (PST)

 > > The idea is to keep the drone sounding by holding the sus pedal  
down
 > > while the chanter part of the pipes plays in mono-mode, so that the
 > > left hand is free to access the Mod & Pitch wheels.

I was thinking about this, and I think the best way is to set up the  
envelopes of the chanter Group samples so the sustain pedal has no  
effect.




Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher
Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers
www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com
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> I was thinking about this, and I think the best way is to set up the
> envelopes of the chanter Group samples so the sustain pedal has no
> effect.
Nick - can you be more specific? I'm assuming you are suggesting  
doing this with the AMP ENV offset values?

> You could open two EXS and use the environment to create a new midi
> instrument, cable it's output two transformers (filtering out what
> you don't need) and then cable it to the two EXS isntruments.
>
Hans - I'd rather not require someone to load a new environment in  
order to do this. But it's a very good idea!

> You can also add a dummy zone, with a silent sample, to the group  
> to use as a
> mute.
Matt - Can you elaborate on how to do this a bit more?

Thanks!
Dennis

On May 20, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Paul Najar wrote:

> Why not copy the same EXS instrument to 2 different instruments (it
> doesn't take up any more memory). The you can copy the midi part to
> the second instrument and delete the CC64 messages from it and limit
> by keyrange for both.


I guess I should have been clearer in my original post.

This sample set (Celtic Pipes) is a commercial product.
I was just wanting the user to have instant access to the chanter and  
drones by loading one instrument for instant gratification. I realize  
this can be done easily over 2 midi channels using 2 instances of the  
EXS.

Dennis

> I was thinking about this, and I think the best way is to set up the
 > envelopes of the chanter Group samples so the sustain pedal has no
 > effect.


Posted by: "Dennis Burns" dennis@...   boldersounds2003
> Tue May 22, 2007 7:03 am (PST)
>
> Nick - can you be more specific? I'm assuming you are suggesting
> doing this with the AMP ENV offset values?
Even simpler, Dennis - I just mean that you could make the decay and  
sustain portions of the regular amp envelope short enough that  
freezing the envelope (which is basically what cc64 does) has no  
effect. It's still responding to cc64 messages, but it's not doing  
anything different than it would have done anyway.

Sorry if I'm not thinking clearly about what cc64 actually does, but  
I think you get the idea. (cc64 is one of those things that just  
happens without any additional programming, so I've never had to stop  
and think about it.)

Nick Batzdorf, editor/publisher
Virtual Instruments Magazine - the world of softsynths and samplers
www.Virtualinstrumentsmag.com
1-877 VImagzn (846-2496)
818/905-9101, cell 590-9101