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starting out

2001-10-31 by David Tobin

Hi

My name is David Tobin, and although I am an experienced logic user,
I am an EXS newbie....

First things first, where is the home page for this group?

I have a few questions to ask of people, but I don't want to hog the lists,
so I will wait a while.

The only thing I really need to know at this stage is about file management.

I am working with Akai samples and I have grasped the concept of the Akai
sample folder and sampler instruments folder...
But, how do you tell the sampler to automatically save the samples in an
alternative folder of your choosing, so that you don't have to manually move
them.

Can you just use the Move files function?

Regards

David Tobin

Re: [exs] starting out

2001-10-31 by Dave Howard

Oh you found it!


on 31/10/01 8:37 PM, David Tobin at wowandflutter@... wrote:

> Hi
> 
> My name is David Tobin, and although I am an experienced logic user,
> I am an EXS newbie....
> 
> First things first, where is the home page for this group?
> 
> I have a few questions to ask of people, but I don't want to hog the lists,
> so I will wait a while.
> 
> The only thing I really need to know at this stage is about file management.
> 
> I am working with Akai samples and I have grasped the concept of the Akai
> sample folder and sampler instruments folder...
> But, how do you tell the sampler to automatically save the samples in an
> alternative folder of your choosing, so that you don't have to manually move
> them.
> 
> Can you just use the Move files function?
> 
> Regards
> 
> David Tobin
> 
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Re: [exs] starting out

2001-10-31 by Dave Peverley

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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:37 PM


> My name is David Tobin, and although I am an experienced logic user,
> I am an EXS newbie....
Ah, but a regular on the vanilla logic list if my memory serves... Sorry I
just remember your name as it reminds me of Amon Tobin who I've got some
tracks off on a Ninja Tune compilation! :-)

> First things first, where is the home page for this group?
Just the yahoogroups homepage AFAIK.

> I am working with Akai samples and I have grasped the concept of the Akai
> sample folder and sampler instruments folder...
> But, how do you tell the sampler to automatically save the samples in an
> alternative folder of your choosing, so that you don't have to manually
move
> them.
You can't do it automagically unfortunately - only the .exs files get put in
the named dir during conversion. What I do is to clear the Akai Samples
folder before conversion, then copy all converted aiff's into a new subdir
where all the .exs files live that I name "aiff samples".  This encapsulates
the definitions and samples in one manageable tree. This works fine. Oh, and
I make sure that the AKAI samples folder is in fact an alias to a directory
on my audio drive so that I dont have to move the converted samples between
drives after conversion!

As for your other questions, you may find some answers at :
  http://www.pev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Where I've been accumulating some EXS/logic FAQ stuff. If not, let me know
off the list and I'll see if I have your answers in the stuff I've collated
but not added yet.... Its still a very early version so any feedback is
appreciated....

HTH,

~Pev




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Re: [exs] starting out

2001-10-31 by wowandflutter@totalise.co.uk

--- In exs-users@y..., "Dave Peverley" <no_such_user@y...> 
wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Tobin" <wowandflutter@t...>
> To: <exs-users@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 8:37 PM
> 
> 
> > My name is David Tobin, and although I am an experienced 
logic user,
> > I am an EXS newbie....
> Ah, but a regular on the vanilla logic list if my memory serves... 
Sorry I
> just remember your name as it reminds me of Amon Tobin 
who I've got some
> tracks off on a Ninja Tune compilation! :-)
> 
> > First things first, where is the home page for this group?
> Just the yahoogroups homepage AFAIK.
> 
> > I am working with Akai samples and I have grasped the 
concept of the Akai
> > sample folder and sampler instruments folder...
> > But, how do you tell the sampler to automatically save the 
samples in an
> > alternative folder of your choosing, so that you don't have to 
manually
> move
> > them.
> You can't do it automagically unfortunately - only the .exs files 
get put in
> the named dir during conversion. What I do is to clear the Akai 
Samples
> folder before conversion, then copy all converted aiff's into a 
new subdir
> where all the .exs files live that I name "aiff samples".  This 
encapsulates
> the definitions and samples in one manageable tree. This 
works fine. Oh, and
> I make sure that the AKAI samples folder is in fact an alias to a 
directory
> on my audio drive so that I dont have to move the converted 
samples between
> drives after conversion!
> 
> As for your other questions, you may find some answers at :
>   http://www.pev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
> Where I've been accumulating some EXS/logic FAQ stuff. If not, 
let me know
> off the list and I'll see if I have your answers in the stuff I've 
collated
> but not added yet.... Its still a very early version so any feedback 
is
> appreciated....
> 
> HTH,
> 
> ~Pev

I'm trying really hard to get my head around that....
So, let me see if I understand correctly:
Once the Akai samples folder is clear, you put the aiffs along 
with the exs instruments in the sampler instruments folder?
Is that what you mean?
Or if not, where do you put both of them - Do they need to be in a 
certain place for file recognition?

Sorry to be so slow!!!

David Tobin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [exs] starting out

2001-11-01 by Dave Peverley

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Subject: Re: [exs] starting out


> I'm trying really hard to get my head around that....
> So, let me see if I understand correctly:
> Once the Akai samples folder is clear, you put the aiffs along
> with the exs instruments in the sampler instruments folder?
> Is that what you mean?
OK. Let me go back to first principles :-) There are two important
directories that have to be (or be symlinked into) the logic audio folder :
  1. Sampler Instruments
  2. Akai Samples

The first is where all the .exs definition files need to be. Whatever
folders you create under here appear in the flip menu as the hierarchy. .exs
files MUST be in here to be available as instruments.

Akai Samples is where Akai converted .aiff / .wav files get put by the
conversion system. Sadly the folder name for akai cd convert thing doesnt
work here - they just get dumped in the root of this directory. By some
(e)magic the EXS will find these files by name wherever you move them to on
the hard drive. I was surprised at this too.

What I suggest is clearing the AKAI Samples folder of all stuff, then after
doing a cd conversion, moving the converted samples into the .exs dir in a
subfolder. This keeps instrumnet definitions and samples together in one
place and avoids muddling samples from different sources.

> Or if not, where do you put both of them - Do they need to be in a
> certain place for file recognition?
Yes, EXS picks up on the file move as above automagically.

> Sorry to be so slow!!!
Not at all. As a techie I thought they'd have to be in a certain
place/structure and was very confused that it does the obvious thing....!

Perhaps I should edit this explaination into my FAQ - this aspect isnt
hugely clear...!

HTH

~Pev


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Re: [exs] starting out

2001-11-01 by Dave Howard

> Perhaps I should edit this explaination into my FAQ - this aspect isnt
> hugely clear...!

That would be good - and with it you might have a look at strategies for
acrchiving edited samples so that a) the originals are still available for
use and b) the changed samples are recalled with songs.

Dave

Re: [exs] starting out

2001-11-01 by Sascha Franck

Here's some things that just come to my mind (sorry if anything has been
mentioned allready but I just returned from 10 days off):

1) There's no immediate need for EXS files (instrument files, .exs that is)
to be in your main sampler instruments folder.
As soon as you create a subfolder to your song directory called "sampler
instruments" and place some .exs files in there they will appear as a song
dedicated folder on top of your instrument list only when the desired song
is loaded.
This is extremely useful as soon as you want to use some parts of the song
with the EXS (e.g. vocal snipplets and such) which wouldn't make any sense
in your general folder.
Also pretty handy once you want to alter one of your general instruments
(let's say replace a snare in some drumset) just to fit a certain song.
Of course I allways copy all the used audiofiles to my song folder as well
(in case I want to back it up or transport it to any other machine).
Unfortunately on a "copy audiofiles" the EXS still doesn't update its file
references (major drawback which is driving me mad since day one, Logic
itself offers such an option when dealing with "plain" audiofiles), but for
a backup/transport it's just good enough in most cases. So, my songfolders
almost allways contain a subfolder called "sampler instruments", inside that
one there's all my songbased .exs files and some subdirectories for the used
samples.

2) You can create shortcuts for almost anything.
Here's what I do for AKAI conversion:
- First thing is that I created a shortcut called "AKAI samples" in my Logic
directory (so the "true" folder doesn't exist any longer). This shortcut in
general points to G:\Samples\EXS\Akais. I use that one to try out things (as
you will know, the EXS preview feature is creating a sample each time you
preview one - god only knows why this is necessary...). I regularly clean up
that folder.
- As soon as I'm sure I really want to convert some CD (or parts of it), in
my Samples/EXS/Akais folder (btw, this EXS folder mirrors exactly what is
happening in the general instruments folder inside my Logic program
directory, I found that to be extremely convenient in case I want to sort
out stuff) I create a subfolder called like the CD (again mirroring what's
happening in my sampler instruments subfolders where I create the same
directory for the .exs files).
- After that I copy the info of the folder (let's say
G:\Samples\EXS\Akais\RealMegaDrums\). On Windows this can be done relatively
easy by copying from the explorers adress bar.
Then I will look at the properties of my "AKAI samples" shortcut and paste
the copied folder info there (it's handy to have two explorers opened at the
same time to do so).
Now, when I actually start the conversion process, all the samples will
automatically be placed on my sample storage drive inside a folder named
like the CD.
When I'm done I'm allways changing back the "AKAI samples" shortcut to point
to the general folder.
Yes, this sounds like a lot of work (and I believe the EXS should be
improved regarding these issues), but it's still faster than manually moving
the samples and having the EXS look for the files once you load your
converted AKAI sets (as the file info will be printed into your .exs files
straight in the first place), especially when dealing with complete AKAI
CDs.
I don't know how to do such things on Macs but I'd guess the process would
look similar.

3) I do exactly the same as in point 2) for SF2 conversion. Works
identically.

4) Even if it would be possible to create a shortcut for the main sampler
instruments folder as well, personally I don't use that option as they are
pretty small files and therfor can very well stay inside my Logic folder
(which I backup pretty much regularly anyways).

So much for now, regards,

Sascha

Re: [exs] starting out

2001-11-01 by David Tobin

Pev, The explanation you have just given is really clear!!!

I have had a great blindfold removed from my eyes and I am seeing the
universe a whole lot clearer.......

Ta

David Tobin




The first is where all the .exs definition files need to be. Whatever
folders you create under here appear in the flip menu as the hierarchy. .exs
files MUST be in here to be available as instruments.

Akai Samples is where Akai converted .aiff / .wav files get put by the
conversion system. Sadly the folder name for akai cd convert thing doesnt
work here - they just get dumped in the root of this directory. By some
(e)magic the EXS will find these files by name wherever you move them to on
the hard drive. I was surprised at this too.

What I suggest is clearing the AKAI Samples folder of all stuff, then after
doing a cd conversion, moving the converted samples into the .exs dir in a
subfolder. This keeps instrumnet definitions and samples together in one
place and avoids muddling samples from different sources.

> Or if not, where do you put both of them - Do they need to be in a
> certain place for file recognition?
Yes, EXS picks up on the file move as above automagically.

> Sorry to be so slow!!!
Not at all. As a techie I thought they'd have to be in a certain
place/structure and was very confused that it does the obvious thing....!

Perhaps I should edit this explaination into my FAQ - this aspect isnt
hugely clear...!

HTH

~Pev


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Re: [exs] starting out

2001-11-01 by David Tobin

Sascha, I understand some of this, but I don't understand the part where you
are actually doing the CD conversion.
How does the program know which Akai Samples folder to place samples into -
or am I just being thick!!!!!

David Tobin




Here's some things that just come to my mind (sorry if anything has been
mentioned allready but I just returned from 10 days off):

1) There's no immediate need for EXS files (instrument files, .exs that is)
to be in your main sampler instruments folder.
As soon as you create a subfolder to your song directory called "sampler
instruments" and place some .exs files in there they will appear as a song
dedicated folder on top of your instrument list only when the desired song
is loaded.
This is extremely useful as soon as you want to use some parts of the song
with the EXS (e.g. vocal snipplets and such) which wouldn't make any sense
in your general folder.
Also pretty handy once you want to alter one of your general instruments
(let's say replace a snare in some drumset) just to fit a certain song.
Of course I allways copy all the used audiofiles to my song folder as well
(in case I want to back it up or transport it to any other machine).
Unfortunately on a "copy audiofiles" the EXS still doesn't update its file
references (major drawback which is driving me mad since day one, Logic
itself offers such an option when dealing with "plain" audiofiles), but for
a backup/transport it's just good enough in most cases. So, my songfolders
almost allways contain a subfolder called "sampler instruments", inside that
one there's all my songbased .exs files and some subdirectories for the used
samples.

2) You can create shortcuts for almost anything.
Here's what I do for AKAI conversion:
- First thing is that I created a shortcut called "AKAI samples" in my Logic
directory (so the "true" folder doesn't exist any longer). This shortcut in
general points to G:\Samples\EXS\Akais. I use that one to try out things (as
you will know, the EXS preview feature is creating a sample each time you
preview one - god only knows why this is necessary...). I regularly clean up
that folder.
- As soon as I'm sure I really want to convert some CD (or parts of it), in
my Samples/EXS/Akais folder (btw, this EXS folder mirrors exactly what is
happening in the general instruments folder inside my Logic program
directory, I found that to be extremely convenient in case I want to sort
out stuff) I create a subfolder called like the CD (again mirroring what's
happening in my sampler instruments subfolders where I create the same
directory for the .exs files).
- After that I copy the info of the folder (let's say
G:\Samples\EXS\Akais\RealMegaDrums\). On Windows this can be done relatively
easy by copying from the explorers adress bar.
Then I will look at the properties of my "AKAI samples" shortcut and paste
the copied folder info there (it's handy to have two explorers opened at the
same time to do so).
Now, when I actually start the conversion process, all the samples will
automatically be placed on my sample storage drive inside a folder named
like the CD.
When I'm done I'm allways changing back the "AKAI samples" shortcut to point
to the general folder.
Yes, this sounds like a lot of work (and I believe the EXS should be
improved regarding these issues), but it's still faster than manually moving
the samples and having the EXS look for the files once you load your
converted AKAI sets (as the file info will be printed into your .exs files
straight in the first place), especially when dealing with complete AKAI
CDs.
I don't know how to do such things on Macs but I'd guess the process would
look similar.

3) I do exactly the same as in point 2) for SF2 conversion. Works
identically.

4) Even if it would be possible to create a shortcut for the main sampler
instruments folder as well, personally I don't use that option as they are
pretty small files and therfor can very well stay inside my Logic folder
(which I backup pretty much regularly anyways).

So much for now, regards,

Sascha

Re: [exs] starting out

2001-11-01 by Sascha Franck

David Tobin wrote:
> Sascha, I understand some of this, but I don't understand the part where
you
> are actually doing the CD conversion.
> How does the program know which Akai Samples folder to place samples
into -
> or am I just being thick!!!!!

Hi David,

The program ALLWAYS puts the converted samples into any "AKAI samples"
sub*structure* of your Logic program directory.
Now, why did I say *structure*?
Because this doesn't have to be a "true" folder but it could also be a
shortcut to whatever folder you like.
So, the principle is:
Conversion puts samples to => "AKAI Samples" => "AKAI Samples" is saying
"Hey, I'm not really a folder, I'm just a shortcut pointing to
G:\Whatever\EXS\AKAI\CoolSampleCD, lemme put the samples into that folder
for you" => the samples will all be at their final destination.
As I said, the target of the shortcut needs to be altered for each and every
AKAI CD, but I still find this to be the easiest way.

Oh, I almost forgot something; on Windows the shortcut target entry needs
some "'s in the beginning and the end, so it should actually look like
"G:\Whatever\EXS\AKAI\CoolSampleCD".

Regards,
Sascha

Re: [exs] starting out

2001-11-08 by Andrea Gozzi

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> So, the principle is:
> Conversion puts samples to => "AKAI Samples" => "AKAI Samples" is saying
> "Hey, I'm not really a folder, I'm just a shortcut pointing to
> G:\Whatever\EXS\AKAI\CoolSampleCD, lemme put the samples into that folder
> for you" => the samples will all be at their final destination.

Wow, it was years that no one was telling me fables in that way! :))))
Vote 10 for clarity :)

Andrea

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