EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Does anybody know a solution for this:
I'm using several softwaresamplers (EXS and Reason etc). It's not possible to exchange their patches, but both are able to automap-samples.
The AIFF-format holds info about Keynote (Basenote) and Looppoints. You can set them in programs like Peak and SoundHack, but it would be very nice if you could have for instance EXS24 to write the Zone information to the Samples; would safe a lot of working converting. (and maybe have a convert samples to AIFF as an extra step)
Alternatively: something like: add Keynote to Sample-Filename would sure help too.
Any idea's? mac or windows, stuff like this can be done under VPC.
Thanks, marc

At 04:41 PM 11/20/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Does anybody know a solution for this:
>I'm using several softwaresamplers (EXS and Reason etc). It's not possible 
>to exchange their patches, but both are able to automap-samples.
>The AIFF-format holds info about Keynote (Basenote) and Looppoints. You 
>can set them in programs like Peak and SoundHack, but it would be very 
>nice if you could have for instance EXS24 to write the Zone information to 
>the Samples; would safe a lot of working converting. (and maybe have a 
>convert samples to AIFF as an extra step)

If I understand you right, you want to take a EXS-AIFF combination and put 
the looping information that is stored in the Zone and write it onto the 
sample itself.

How useful is this though? Usually that information is already there, 
embedded on the AIFF itself, although the EXS does directly look at this 
info. The EXS DOES look at it when it's importing the sample; it will take 
the embedded info and write that information onto the Zone. However, if you 
change the loop points in the Zone (not common), it's not going to write 
onto the AIFF, no. But that's sort of an unusual situation

>Alternatively: something like: add Keynote to Sample-Filename would sure 
>help too.

Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean Root Key, or sometimes called 
Unity Note, same as above.


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--- In exs-users@y..., "Rubber Chicken Software Co." <support@c...> wrote:
> At 04:41 PM 11/20/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >Does anybody know a solution for this:
> >I'm using several softwaresamplers (EXS and Reason etc). It's not possible
> >to exchange their patches, but both are able to automap-samples.
> >The AIFF-format holds info about Keynote (Basenote) and Looppoints. You
> >can set them in programs like Peak and SoundHack, but it would be very
> >nice if you could have for instance EXS24 to write the Zone information to
> >the Samples; would safe a lot of working converting. (and maybe have a
> >convert samples to AIFF as an extra step)
>
> If I understand you right, you want to take a EXS-AIFF combination and put
> the looping information that is stored in the Zone and write it onto the
> sample itself.

Right.
>
> How useful is this though? Usually that information is already there,
> embedded on the AIFF itself, although the EXS does directly look at this
> info. 

Errr... That is information is only there if somebody put it there. Like: I make a EXS24 patch of some homemade samples, I set the KeyNote/Base Note/etc ; and keyrange. Suppose it works out nice, sooner or later I'll want to use it in some other sampler. Since EXS24 doesn't have any export option, I'll have to make the whole thing again.



The EXS DOES look at it when it's importing the sample; it will take
> the embedded info and write that information onto the Zone. However, if you
> change the loop points in the Zone (not common), it's not going to write
> onto the AIFF, no. But that's sort of an unusual situation

No offense, but I guess you never make samplerpatches yourself.
>
> >Alternatively: something like: add Keynote to Sample-Filename would sure
> >help too.
Suppose: The Key-Note of a sample, MySample is placed in the Zone at G3. The name could be changed to MySample G3.aif, which would be a great help converting by hand to another Samplers format. And Reason can auto map samples according to there names
>
> Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean Root Key, or sometimes called
> Unity Note, same as above.
I mean the the Key where the sample with be played at original pitch. FYI it's called pretty different :
SoundHack: Base Note. Peak : Root Key. Logic: Key Note


marc

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At 01:48 AM 11/21/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Errr... That is information is only there if somebody put it there. Like: 
>I make a EXS24 patch of some homemade samples, I set the KeyNote/Base 
>Note/etc ; and keyrange. Suppose it works out nice, sooner or later I'll 
>want to use it in some other sampler. Since EXS24 doesn't have any export 
>option, I'll have to make the whole thing again.

OK, that's what I thought you meant.

>The EXS DOES look at it when it's importing the sample; it will take
> > the embedded info and write that information onto the Zone. However, if you
> > change the loop points in the Zone (not common), it's not going to write
> > onto the AIFF, no. But that's sort of an unusual situation
>No offense, but I guess you never make samplerpatches yourself.

No, we do, but I find that people don't export out of EXS that much, based 
on the amount of requests to do so. That's the type of automation we like 
to build into Translator, so it's something we have our finger to the pulse on.

> > >Alternatively: something like: add Keynote to Sample-Filename would sure
> > >help too.
>Suppose: The Key-Note of a sample, MySample is placed in the Zone at G3. 
>The name could be changed to MySample G3.aif, which would be a great help 
>converting by hand to another Samplers format. And Reason can auto map 
>samples according to there names
> > Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean Root Key, or sometimes called
> > Unity Note, same as above.
>I mean the the Key where the sample with be played at original pitch. FYI 
>it's called pretty different :
>SoundHack: Base Note. Peak : Root Key. Logic: Key Note

Makes sense. You might see some support for this in Translator shortly. 
Thanks for the suggestion.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

>Suppose: The Key-Note of a sample, MySample is placed in the Zone at G3.
>The name could be changed to MySample G3.aif, which would be a great help
>converting by hand to another Samplers format. And Reason can auto map
>samples according to there names
> > Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean Root Key, or sometimes
called
> > Unity Note, same as above.
>I mean the the Key where the sample with be played at original pitch. FYI
>it's called pretty different :
>SoundHack: Base Note. Peak : Root Key. Logic: Key Note


On Mac, there is an auto split function in the EXS24 called " Auto map by
root key"
igor

--- In exs-users@y..., "Rubber Chicken Software Co." <support@c...> wrote:
> At 01:48 AM 11/21/01 +0000, you wrote:
>
> >Errr... That is information is only there if somebody put it there. Like:
> >I make a EXS24 patch of some homemade samples, I set the KeyNote/Base
> >Note/etc ; and keyrange. Suppose it works out nice, sooner or later I'll
> >want to use it in some other sampler. Since EXS24 doesn't have any export
> >option, I'll have to make the whole thing again.
>
> OK, that's what I thought you meant.
>
> >The EXS DOES look at it when it's importing the sample; it will take
> > > the embedded info and write that information onto the Zone. However, if you
> > > change the loop points in the Zone (not common), it's not going to write
> > > onto the AIFF, no. But that's sort of an unusual situation
> >No offense, but I guess you never make samplerpatches yourself.
>
> No, we do, but I find that people don't export out of EXS that much, based
> on the amount of requests to do so. That's the type of automation we like
> to build into Translator, so it's something we have our finger to the pulse on.
>
> > > >Alternatively: something like: add Keynote to Sample-Filename would sure
> > > >help too.
> >Suppose: The Key-Note of a sample, MySample is placed in the Zone at G3.
> >The name could be changed to MySample G3.aif, which would be a great help
> >converting by hand to another Samplers format. And Reason can auto map
> >samples according to there names
> > > Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean Root Key, or sometimes called
> > > Unity Note, same as above.
> >I mean the the Key where the sample with be played at original pitch. FYI
> >it's called pretty different :
> >SoundHack: Base Note. Peak : Root Key. Logic: Key Note
>
> Makes sense. You might see some support for this in Translator shortly.
> Thanks for the suggestion.
OK, Thanks, give some hope for the future.
My problem is that over the last few years I did my own patches in Unity, VSamp EXS24 and Reason.
Now I'm using EXS24 for composing and Reason for live-playing, so I really need something that's converting my patches easier.
best Marc