EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I currently use a Roland S750, which has its pros and cons, and 
just picked up an Akai S6000 to replace it. But, I'd really like to get 
some feedback from an Akai S6000 'user' (not someone who 
just loads patches from sample CDs, but someone who 
samples, edits and creates patches on the S6000), who also 
uses the EXS24, as to whether I'd be better off with the EXS24 
over the S6000.  any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Paul

> I currently use a Roland S750, which has its pros and cons, and
> just picked up an Akai S6000 to replace it. But, I'd really like to get
> some feedback from an Akai S6000 'user' (not someone who
> just loads patches from sample CDs, but someone who
> samples, edits and creates patches on the S6000), who also
> uses the EXS24, as to whether I'd be better off with the EXS24
> over the S6000.  any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 


Hi

I am a very experienced S6000 user who has just "discovered" the EXS24 and
my verdict is:

EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24
EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24
EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best wishes David Tobin

David,
could you expand on the pros and cons of the S6000 versus the 
EXS24?  with respect to creating keygroups or zones, setting up 
patches, assigning outputs to individual sounds, etc.  any 
feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Paul 

--- In exs-users@y..., David Tobin <wowandflutter@t...> wrote:
> > I currently use a Roland S750, which has its pros and cons, 
and
> > just picked up an Akai S6000 to replace it. But, I'd really like to 
get
> > some feedback from an Akai S6000 'user' (not someone who
> > just loads patches from sample CDs, but someone who
> > samples, edits and creates patches on the S6000), who also
> > uses the EXS24, as to whether I'd be better off with the 
EXS24
> > over the S6000.  any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am a very experienced S6000 user who has just "discovered" 
the EXS24 and
> my verdict is:
> 
> EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 
EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24
> EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 
EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24
> EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 EXS24 
EXS24 EXS24 EXS24

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> Best wishes David Tobin

> David,
> could you expand on the pros and cons of the S6000 versus the
> EXS24?  with respect to creating keygroups or zones, setting up
> patches, assigning outputs to individual sounds, etc.  any
> feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Paul, here is my reasoning:

IMHO, creating zones and keygroups is a big pain in whichever sampler you do
it in, but I don't personally find it any easier or harder on either
machine.

Moving rootnotes of zones and the placement of the zone is easier in the
S6000, but if you learn to use the key commands properly for the EXS, it is
no major hassle.

The output assignment is a big EXS drawback for some, but this will be
addressed within a couple of months so I don't see this as a sticking point,
particularly as I have just managed to do an enormous full orchestral
arrangement using solely EXS24's and just keep using extra ones when I want
extra mixing flexibility, although this does depend on the speed of your
computer.

The biggest advantages to the EXS are these:

1: Once discs are imported, the loading and saving of sounds is relatively
immediate.

I have often taken 7 or 8 minutes to load a full songs worth of samples into
my S6000 and this became a big deal.

2. Backing up samples.  Although with Aksys you can get samples to the
computer, it is a real pain and It has been really refreshing to just save
everything to my data dat system directly.

3. Use of VST or TDM plug-ins directly on the samples.

You can use effects much more easily with the EXS and by adding FX at the
output end (if you have enough room) you can use TDM FX if you are running
that system - As I am.

4.  Sample finding.

In the Akai, there is no real way to create a large sample database and use
a find function, but this is integral In the EXS and I use it on a daily
basis.

5. Sample editing.

It is just so much easier to edit samples in a DAW compared to inside the
sampler - You can bounce FX to the samples if necessary and generally it
allows more flexibility. This is also possible with the S6000, but requires
Aksys, which means having a couple of programs open and switching, and just
never really felt comfortable for me.

There are gripes with both systems - I really want to be able to timestretch
a whole program and it's associated samples, which neither system will do;
The EXS has limited outputs for the moment, but the Akai has terrible FX.
All in all, the main thing for me is how it feels to use and all I can say
is I have both systems in front of me, and for the work that I do I never
use the S6000 at the moment unless I have such a huge arrangement that I
need massive amounts of sampling.

Hope all this helps


David T

Would like some cheap but high quality orchestral string samples for EXS and
also use Reason.

Anyone used this new Refill? The MP3 sample sounds pretty good.

Would it convert to an EXS instrument without too much hassle?



Neil Goldstein
Portland, Oregon

  -----Original Message-----
  From: David Tobin [mailto:wowandflutter@...]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:19 AM
  To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [exs] could a 'user' of EXS24 and Akai S5000/S6000 advice
ondecision?


  > David,
  > could you expand on the pros and cons of the S6000 versus the
  > EXS24?  with respect to creating keygroups or zones, setting up
  > patches, assigning outputs to individual sounds, etc.  any
  > feedback would be greatly appreciated.

  Paul, here is my reasoning:

  IMHO, creating zones and keygroups is a big pain in whichever sampler you
do
  it in, but I don't personally find it any easier or harder on either
  machine.

  Moving rootnotes of zones and the placement of the zone is easier in the
  S6000, but if you learn to use the key commands properly for the EXS, it
is
  no major hassle.

  The output assignment is a big EXS drawback for some, but this will be
  addressed within a couple of months so I don't see this as a sticking
point,
  particularly as I have just managed to do an enormous full orchestral
  arrangement using solely EXS24's and just keep using extra ones when I
want
  extra mixing flexibility, although this does depend on the speed of your
  computer.

  The biggest advantages to the EXS are these:

  1: Once discs are imported, the loading and saving of sounds is relatively
  immediate.

  I have often taken 7 or 8 minutes to load a full songs worth of samples
into
  my S6000 and this became a big deal.

  2. Backing up samples.  Although with Aksys you can get samples to the
  computer, it is a real pain and It has been really refreshing to just save
  everything to my data dat system directly.

  3. Use of VST or TDM plug-ins directly on the samples.

  You can use effects much more easily with the EXS and by adding FX at the
  output end (if you have enough room) you can use TDM FX if you are running
  that system - As I am.

  4.  Sample finding.

  In the Akai, there is no real way to create a large sample database and
use
  a find function, but this is integral In the EXS and I use it on a daily
  basis.

  5. Sample editing.

  It is just so much easier to edit samples in a DAW compared to inside the
  sampler - You can bounce FX to the samples if necessary and generally it
  allows more flexibility. This is also possible with the S6000, but
requires
  Aksys, which means having a couple of programs open and switching, and
just
  never really felt comfortable for me.

  There are gripes with both systems - I really want to be able to
timestretch
  a whole program and it's associated samples, which neither system will do;
  The EXS has limited outputs for the moment, but the Akai has terrible FX.
  All in all, the main thing for me is how it feels to use and all I can say
  is I have both systems in front of me, and for the work that I do I never
  use the S6000 at the moment unless I have such a huge arrangement that I
  need massive amounts of sampling.

  Hope all this helps


  David T


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>> David,
>> could you expand on the pros and cons of the S6000 versus the
>> EXS24?  with respect to creating keygroups or zones, setting up
>> patches, assigning outputs to individual sounds, etc.  any
>> feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Paul, here is my reasoning:
> 
> IMHO, creating zones and keygroups is a big pain in whichever sampler you
> do
> it in, but I don't personally find it any easier or harder on either
> machine.



Hello guys!

I'm no 5-6000 dude, I used to be S-1000/S-1100 type of guy.

In my opinion there's only one thing the Akai system is better at and that
is setting keygroups via midi.
I can not understand how anyone can overlook implementing this.
But that's just me....-)



I'd even consider buying a PBook for going on the road.
Fill it with EXS, B4 and EVP, and then resistance is futile.....


@nders

 
-- 
www.revolvermusic.no

Mac G4 450MP - OS 9.2.2 - 384ram - Logic 4.8.1
TC Powercore 1.5 - Motu 2408 - RamsaDA7

ES-1 - EXS24 - NI B4 - Recycle 2.0
PSP MIX&Stereo Pack - Silverspike Reverbit-
(and about every free VST I could find)

David,
thanks for the feedback.  any possibility of anyone sending me 
some screen shots of the EXS24's primary windows?

Paul


--- In exs-users@y..., David Tobin <wowandflutter@t...> wrote:
> > David,
> > could you expand on the pros and cons of the S6000 versus 
the
> > EXS24?  with respect to creating keygroups or zones, setting 
up
> > patches, assigning outputs to individual sounds, etc.  any
> > feedback would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Paul, here is my reasoning:
> 
> IMHO, creating zones and keygroups is a big pain in whichever 
sampler you do
> it in, but I don't personally find it any easier or harder on either
> machine.
> 
> Moving rootnotes of zones and the placement of the zone is 
easier in the
> S6000, but if you learn to use the key commands properly for 
the EXS, it is
> no major hassle.
> 
> The output assignment is a big EXS drawback for some, but 
this will be
> addressed within a couple of months so I don't see this as a 
sticking point,
> particularly as I have just managed to do an enormous full 
orchestral
> arrangement using solely EXS24's and just keep using extra 
ones when I want
> extra mixing flexibility, although this does depend on the speed 
of your
> computer.
> 
> The biggest advantages to the EXS are these:
> 
> 1: Once discs are imported, the loading and saving of sounds 
is relatively
> immediate.
> 
> I have often taken 7 or 8 minutes to load a full songs worth of 
samples into
> my S6000 and this became a big deal.
> 
> 2. Backing up samples.  Although with Aksys you can get 
samples to the
> computer, it is a real pain and It has been really refreshing to 
just save
> everything to my data dat system directly.
> 
> 3. Use of VST or TDM plug-ins directly on the samples.
> 
> You can use effects much more easily with the EXS and by 
adding FX at the
> output end (if you have enough room) you can use TDM FX if 
you are running
> that system - As I am.
> 
> 4.  Sample finding.
> 
> In the Akai, there is no real way to create a large sample 
database and use
> a find function, but this is integral In the EXS and I use it on a 
daily
> basis.
> 
> 5. Sample editing.
> 
> It is just so much easier to edit samples in a DAW compared 
to inside the
> sampler - You can bounce FX to the samples if necessary and 
generally it
> allows more flexibility. This is also possible with the S6000, 
but requires
> Aksys, which means having a couple of programs open and 
switching, and just
> never really felt comfortable for me.
> 
> There are gripes with both systems - I really want to be able to 
timestretch
> a whole program and it's associated samples, which neither 
system will do;
> The EXS has limited outputs for the moment, but the Akai has 
terrible FX.
> All in all, the main thing for me is how it feels to use and all I 
can say
> is I have both systems in front of me, and for the work that I do I 
never
> use the S6000 at the moment unless I have such a huge 
arrangement that I

> need massive amounts of sampling.
> 
> Hope all this helps
> 
> 
> David T