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Hello friends on the EXS group!

Forgive me for a bit of an off topic Spectrasonics plug....but I think you 
will all be VERY interested in what we are announcing at NAMM.

Check out the site through this weekend!

www.spectrasonics.net

Best regards,

Eric Persing
Creative Director
Spectrasonics

Eric,

One thing that gets my goat (where did that 
expression come from anyways?) is when people tell 
me to go to a site _before_ new information is 
finalised. I realised you said in your email to 
check out the site over the weekend, but still, 
I'm sure I'm not the only one who zoomed over to 
spectrasonics.net, only to find out that I'm going 
to have to come back later to get the _news_. 
Maybe I'm just getting tired of software companies 
promising things that end up being very late just 
to get our eyeballs (Cycling '74, Emagic, 
Steinberg, Digidesign come to mind). Why can't 
companies wait until they actually have the bloody 
goods before they ask us to drop by for a visit?

Beehhehehheehe (my goat)

Ned

PS: I'm sure your announcements will be terrific.

PersingEP@... wrote:

> Hello friends on the EXS group!
> 
> Forgive me for a bit of an off topic Spectrasonics plug....but I think you
> will all be VERY interested in what we are announcing at NAMM.
> 
> Check out the site through this weekend!
> 
> www.spectrasonics.net
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Eric Persing
> Creative Director
> Spectrasonics
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Hi Eric,

VERY interesting indeed!
Do the new instruments read existing Spectrasonics libraries? I've 
invested heavily in them so it would be nice to know their best-by 
date has been extended.

Regards - Colin
(PS - when can we order?)

>Forgive me for a bit of an off topic Spectrasonics plug....but I think you
>will all be VERY interested in what we are announcing at NAMM.
>
>Check out the site through this weekend!
>
>www.spectrasonics.net
>
>Best regards,
>
>Eric Persing
>Creative Director
>Spectrasonics

Ned wrote
>One thing that gets my goat (where did that
>expression come from anyways?) is when people tell
>me to go to a site _before_ new information is
>finalised. I realised you said in your email to
>check out the site over the weekend, but still,
>I'm sure I'm not the only one who zoomed over to
>spectrasonics.net, only to find out that I'm going
>to have to come back later to get the _news_.
>Maybe I'm just getting tired of software companies
>promising things that end up being very late just
>to get our eyeballs (Cycling '74, Emagic,
>Steinberg, Digidesign come to mind). Why can't
>companies wait until they actually have the bloody
>goods before they ask us to drop by for a visit?

Put your goat out to pasture Ned.....
....the site's up.

http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/index.html

Regards - Colin

PS - maybe you need to refresh your browser's cache?

----- Original Message -----

From: "Colin Shapiro" <musos@...>
To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>

> VERY interesting indeed!
> Do the new instruments read existing Spectrasonics libraries? I've
> invested heavily in them so it would be nice to know their best-by
> date has been extended.
Well, the info says that they each include their own library of 3.5G of
samples so I assume that they're standalone.

> (PS - when can we order?)
The dates on the pages say arpil/may.

~Pev


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Colin Shapiro wrote:

> Ned wrote
>  >One thing that gets my goat (where did that
>  >expression come from anyways?) is when people tell
>  >me to go to a site _before_ new information is
>  >finalised. I realised you said in your email to
>  >check out the site over the weekend, but still,
>  >I'm sure I'm not the only one who zoomed over to
>  >spectrasonics.net, only to find out that I'm going
>  >to have to come back later to get the _news_.
>  >Maybe I'm just getting tired of software companies
>  >promising things that end up being very late just
>  >to get our eyeballs (Cycling '74, Emagic,
>  >Steinberg, Digidesign come to mind). Why can't
>  >companies wait until they actually have the bloody
>  >goods before they ask us to drop by for a visit?
> 
> Put your goat out to pasture Ned.....
> ....the site's up.
> 
> http://www.spectrasonics.net/instruments/index.html
> 
> Regards - Colin
> 
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       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

I must say, these are looking REALLY nice. Also, from what the UIs and texts
are telling, I seem to like the concept, especially the layer thing (can you
easily automate some morphing, btw? Still one of the things I'm looking
for).
Now I want to get my hands onto some demo :-)

Cheers,
Sascha

As if the Spectrasonics stuff wasn't enough, Native Instruments have 
also announced some new gear!!

>Native Instruments is proud to introduce two new products and one 
>new product line at the current NAMM Winter Show: KONTAKT, the new 
>NI software sampler, comes with loads of overwhelming features, 
>unprecedented efficiency and high-end audio quality. We present the 
>semi-modular synthesizer ABSYNTH in the newly developed PC version. 
>And with the Sound Line we launch a new product line containing 
>first class sound CD ROMs: Two BATTERY sampling CD ROMs and one FM7 
>sound CD ROM.

Dig deep in your wallets folks.
Brew up some coffee......there's going to be lots of new toys to play with.

My 2c worth: The FM7 is really GREAT! Got mine last week and it's 
like a DX7 on steroids. Easy to create sounds and avoid what Dave 
Simmons said:

>  every time I use one of their sounds I
>think to myself, "that's a great f--king sound, this track is going to rock,"
>only to turn on the tv 5 minutes later and hear the same sound on 
>some crappy WB
>tv show.

Xmas in January!
Regards - Colin

Muhammed Paul
Newtown Music
Am Deich 68/69
28199 Bremen Germany
http://www.newtown-music.de
mailto:muhammed@...


> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Ned Bouhalassa [mailto:ned@...]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2002 16:45
> An: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Logic Mac Users
> Betreff: Re: [exs] Spectrasonics BIG NEWS!
> 
> Eric,
> 
> One thing that gets my goat (where did that
> expression come from anyways?) is when people tell
> me to go to a site _before_ new information is
> finalised. I realised you said in your email to
> check out the site over the weekend, but still,
> I'm sure I'm not the only one who zoomed over to
> spectrasonics.net, only to find out that I'm going
> to have to come back later to get the _news_.
> Maybe I'm just getting tired of software companies
> promising things that end up being very late just
> to get our eyeballs (Cycling '74, Emagic,
> Steinberg, Digidesign come to mind). Why can't
> companies wait until they actually have the bloody
> goods before they ask us to drop by for a visit?
> 
> Beehhehehheehe (my goat)

Very easy to answer. They want us to wait and invest our bugs in THEIR
coming product, not into another one from another company.

Muhammed

In a message dated 1/17/02 11:10:58 AM, musos@... writes:

>VERY interesting indeed!
>Do the new instruments read existing Spectrasonics libraries? I've 
>invested heavily in them so it would be nice to know their best-by 
>date has been extended.

Hi Colin,

Thanks for the interest. The whole idea is that instead of making libraries 
with limited functionality (that have to work with every blasted sampler on 
the planet), we will now make powerful Instruments with a core set of samples 
that are used to create new sounds/grooves very easily. When we have a new 
product to introduce, it will be much more interesting, because the engine 
and the product's features are tailored to the sounds and the concept of the 
instrument, instead of the other way around. It's pretty exciting stuff.

This page explains the concept in greater detail:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/news_svi.html

Of course you can still use any of our libraries with the EXS, but these new 
instruments contain ALL new sounds developed specifically for the unique 
features of the instruments.

Best,

Eric Persing
Spectrasonics

http://www.spectrasonics.net/

>
>Regards - Colin
>(PS - when can we order?)

In a message dated 1/17/02 12:19:46 PM, saschafranck@... writes:

>I must say, these are looking REALLY nice. Also, from what the UIs and
>texts
>are telling, I seem to like the concept, especially the layer thing (can
>you
>easily automate some morphing, btw? Still one of the things I'm looking
>for).
>Now I want to get my hands onto some demo :-)


Yep...patience on the demo versions...mp3s and video demos coming next week.

-EP

Of course you can still use any of our libraries with the EXS, but these new

instruments contain ALL new sounds developed specifically for the unique 
features of the instruments. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 In a message dated 1/17/02 11:10:58 AM, musos@... writes:

Thanks for the interest. The whole idea is that instead of making libraries 
with limited functionality (that have to work with every blasted sampler on 
the planet), we will now make powerful Instruments with a core set of
samples 
that are used to create new sounds/grooves very easily. When we have a new 
product to introduce, it will be much more interesting, because the engine 
and the product's features are tailored to the sounds and the concept of the

instrument, instead of the other way around. It's pretty exciting stuff.

This page explains the concept in greater detail:

http://www.spectrasonics.net/news_svi.html
<http://www.spectrasonics.net/news_svi.html> 


Best,

Eric Persing
Spectrasonics

http://www.spectrasonics.net/ <http://www.spectrasonics.net/> 
>
>Regards - Colin
>(PS - when can we order?)


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Ack, stupid Microsoft Outlook (which I'm forced to use at work) wouldn't let
me "break" the quotes, I was trying different random key commands and
apparently Control-Enter is SEND instead of page break or whatever it is in
Microsoft Word.. ANNNNyway, sorry about the blank message! I personally have
a lot of interest in the Trilogy but the answer to my questions here could
very well determine whether I purchase it or not.
 
>Of course you can still use any of our libraries with the EXS, but these
new
>instruments contain ALL new sounds developed specifically for the unique  
>features of the instruments. 

I'd love to have the sounds, but I can't quite tell from your comments if
you mean that if we as customers don't think the VST instrument is as
stable/accurate/CPU&RAM-friendly as whatever our other sampler of choice
is.. We -will- be able to use the "ALL new sounds" with our own sampler of
choice? 
 
If so, will we be able to control all of the parameters of the samples
through another sampler (EXS24 in my case)? Or will the samples only have
very limited control parameters available in EXS24? Basically I plan to use
my music live at some point and if EXS24 (since its hard coded into Logic)
turns out to be a lot more stable and accurate and less CPU intensive than
the Trilogy instrument, I might want to just trigger the Trilogy samples
through EXS24. 
 
Can you let us know which of the new impressive innovative features the
Trilogy will have will be able to be controlled in EXS24? Do you actually
provide the EXS24 instrument or are the CDs constructed in such a way that
EXS24 can extract the samples from them and create its own instrument?
 
I realize a lot of the features listed on the web page are not currently
possible in EXS24 (multiple articulations, matrix-style modulation routing
etc)... I really do hope your company manages to make these instruments at
least as fast stable and accurate as the dedicated software samplers out
there! I suppose if nothing else I could just use your instrument in the
studio and then re-sample what I create into EXS24 for live stuff.. but it
would be awesome to tweak your new babies in real time without having to
worry about bad latency or it crashing!
 
Thanks for being on this list,
Jeremy

Jeremy,

I don't want to answer for Eric, but my guess is 
that you will not be able to use the new sounds in 
EXS or any other sampler for that matter. These 
are going to be all-in-one VSTinstruments: player 
+ sounds.

Martin, Jeremy wrote:

>We -will- be able to use the "ALL new sounds" with our own sampler of
> choice?




http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Oh well.. I guess if the new instrument turns out to be less
stable/accurate/etc than EXS24 I can always save its output to a wav file
then load that into EXS24. I hope I won't have to but you never know....
Hopefully the quality of Spectrasonics VST instruments will live up to the
quality of their samples but we won't really know until these instruments
are released. 

I don't want to answer for Eric, but my guess is 
that you will not be able to use the new sounds in 
EXS or any other sampler for that matter. These 
are going to be all-in-one VSTinstruments: player 
+ sounds.

Hi Jeremy,

These new instruments are NOT sample libraries, but new virtual instruments that are designed around a core set of samples (similar to a Roland or Korg hardware synth...but better!)

There are MANY things these instruments do that are integral to the instrument's sounds that the EXS and other samplers cannot do (multimode filters, integrated layering with full synthesis for every layer, Analog style legato, Separate parameters for every key, Master Filters, Optimized engine for Bass, etc, etc, )....which is the reason we are going in this direction instead of making more sample libraries...This is a much more powerful concept...and EVERY user gets the same experience (Mac/PC, Logic, Cubase, Performer, Nuendo, Pro Tools, etc, etc)....best of all you don't need any sampler at all to use these, so there is no conversion hassles...install and make music...that's it!

The CPU load of Trilogy uses much less than the EXS24, and it is very stable in Logic (that's our main platform here too!). Latency is the same as the EXS. Basically, everything you like about the EXS use is similar to our instruments, but we go a lot further and make them more powerful AND easier to use, faster loading, more musical, etc. We can do this because the instrument is designed to serve the sounds, instead of the other way around (like is the case with every sampler).

Pwerfully Simple is our concept.

Hope that helps explain.

Best regards,

EP

In a message dated Tue, 29 Jan 2002  4:12:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Martin, Jeremy" <martje@...> writes:

> Ack, stupid Microsoft Outlook (which I'm forced to use at work) wouldn't let
> me "break" the quotes, I was trying different random key commands and
> apparently Control-Enter is SEND instead of page break or whatever it is in
> Microsoft Word.. ANNNNyway, sorry about the blank message! I personally have
> a lot of interest in the Trilogy but the answer to my questions here could
> very well determine whether I purchase it or not.
>  
> >Of course you can still use any of our libraries with the EXS, but these
> new
> >instruments contain ALL new sounds developed specifically for the unique  
> >features of the instruments. 
> 
> I'd love to have the sounds, but I can't quite tell from your comments if
> you mean that if we as customers don't think the VST instrument is as
> stable/accurate/CPU&RAM-friendly as whatever our other sampler of choice
> is.. We -will- be able to use the "ALL new sounds" with our own sampler of
> choice? 
>  
> If so, will we be able to control all of the parameters of the samples
> through another sampler (EXS24 in my case)? Or will the samples only have
> very limited control parameters available in EXS24? Basically I plan to use
> my music live at some point and if EXS24 (since its hard coded into Logic)
> turns out to be a lot more stable and accurate and less CPU intensive than
> the Trilogy instrument, I might want to just trigger the Trilogy samples
> through EXS24. 
>  
> Can you let us know which of the new impressive innovative features the
> Trilogy will have will be able to be controlled in EXS24? Do you actually
> provide the EXS24 instrument or are the CDs constructed in such a way that
> EXS24 can extract the samples from them and create its own instrument?
>  
> I realize a lot of the features listed on the web page are not currently
> possible in EXS24 (multiple articulations, matrix-style modulation routing
> etc)... I really do hope your company manages to make these instruments at
> least as fast stable and accurate as the dedicated software samplers out
> there! I suppose if nothing else I could just use your instrument in the
> studio and then re-sample what I create into EXS24 for live stuff.. but it
> would be awesome to tweak your new babies in real time without having to
> worry about bad latency or it crashing!
>  
> Thanks for being on this list,
> Jeremy
>  
>   
> 
> 
> 
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Eric Persing wrote:
>These new instruments are NOT sample libraries, but new virtual 
>instruments that are designed around a core set of samples (similar 
>to a Roland or Korg hardware synth...but better!)

Okay - let's take this analogy a bit further. Are you going to make 
new "cards" to plug into the front of these synths, or are they like 
a Roland Sound Canvas - nice but non-expandable.

I'm fishing here, but I have my credit card ready.......  :-)

Regards - Colin

PersingEP@... wrote:
> There are MANY things these instruments do that are integral to the
instrument's sounds that the EXS and other samplers cannot do (multimode
filters, integrated layering with full synthesis for every layer, Analog
style legato, Separate parameters for every key, Master Filters, Optimized
engine for Bass, etc, etc, )....

Sounds all good to me.
You don't need any testers, do you? Sorry... but the concept really seems to
benice ;-)

Regards,
Sascha

In a message dated 1/30/02 11:12:06 AM, musos@... writes:

>Eric Persing wrote:
>>These new instruments are NOT sample libraries, but new virtual 
>>instruments that are designed around a core set of samples (similar 
>>to a Roland or Korg hardware synth...but better!)
>
>Okay - let's take this analogy a bit further. Are you going to make 
>new "cards" to plug into the front of these synths, or are they like 
>a Roland Sound Canvas - nice but non-expandable.
>
>I'm fishing here, but I have my credit card ready.......  :-)

Hi Colin,

This is a really funny one to answer for me, as I think you'll see why :-)

Here's the history of Roland's expansion concept:

When we were creating the PCM internal wave ROM for the JV-80 at Roland R&D 
Los Angeles, it originally had no expansion slot. We were supposed to "blow 
away" the competition (at that time the Korg M-1/01W series) with covering 
every instrument category in a whopping FOUR megabytes! Obviously, pretty 
hard to do... 

So early on, I campaigned hard for the idea of an expansion slot in the unit, 
to hold new waveforms expanding the synth, so that you didn't have to buy a 
new keyboard every year (which was then the current practice). After much 
debate and argument, the idea of the expansion board slot was adopted at the 
last minute. As you probably know, this is now the core of Roland's very 
succesful hardware synthesizer line and expandability is now an essential 
concept of every hardware keyboard company's products.

However, with Virtual Instruments, the situation is totally different since 
it isn't a hardware physical box. The Virtual Instrument in this case IS the 
expansion, and "box" is your computer and host program like Logic....see what 
I mean? The reason we don't have "expandable" Virtual Instruments is that it 
isn't necessary. While a product like a JV workstation or a Triton has to get 
EVERY category of sounds into 8 or 16 or 32 or even 64 megabytes, we are 
doing ONE category of sound with THREE Gigabytes! 

Let me try and put this more into perspective:

Roland expansion board 8mb 255 mono samples $299
Stylus Groove Module 3 gig 38,000 stereo samples $299

The Sound Canvas analogy REALLY makes me cringe, because the concept of these 
Instruments is exactly the opposite. The whole point of the massive core 
sound library is that it is there as a STARTING point for your own 
creativity. These instruments are super flexible and powerful synthesizers, 
based on the simple idea that the more options that are available makes 
something exponentially more powerful. 

For example, Trilogy has 1,000 Basses. Each Bass has two layers. The layers 
can be mixed and matched instantly. That's over one MILLION Basses without 
touching a single slider! Then each layer has it's own multimode Filters, 
Three Envelopes and Four LFO, Matrix Modulation, etc. Then each KEY has it's 
own Filters, Env, LFOs etc (yes, you can have a different synth set-up for 
every KEY!). 

Can you do any of this with an eight meg Sound Canvas? Don't get our 
instruments confused with something like Sampletank, which has no real 
editing capabilities and is more like a big Sound Canvas in concept.

Our whole approach is to design instruments that are simple to use, but so 
powerful and flexible, that you NEVER run out of inspiring ways to use them. 
So YES, they are expandable, by you!

Our instruments are self-contained, sample-based synths, not a replacement 
for a good sampler like the EXS. However, the whole concept is that it's much 
more powerful and simple to use than a sampler. We can do one thing really 
well, instead of trying to do everything at just an OK level. Look how many 
issues there are in dealing with any sampler...Importing problems, complex 
features, missing features, etc...that's why this forum exists in the first 
place!...to help users solve all the issues relating to the EXS and Logic. 

The EXS is still an essential tool IMO, to convert sample libraries and 
create your own samples. It's still my favorite sampler amongst all the 
samplers out there.

However, these new virtual instruments are what Spectrasonics is doing now 
INSTEAD of libraries. It's a much more powerful concept, because the design 
of each instrument is based on its own set of new sounds, AND a unique 
feature set and interface. By not having to worry about compatibility, we can 
optimize the interface and the experience to just the sounds it was designed 
to do....keeps it really fast and musical. When we do new sounds in the 
future, they won't be presented only as just sounds, but combined with a 
unique interface and custom software engine designed specifically to the 
unique requirements of the concept of the sounds. The custom interface of 
each product is designed to allow you to really create your own unique stuff 
very quickly...it brings creativity and originality back into the equation in 
a big way. That's what makes it an Instrument, and not just a sound library 
with a player.

The instruments are also a great value since the core libraries have WAY more 
sounds than a regular sample library. For example, the Metamorphosis library 
has one gig of material and is $199, the Stylus instrument has nearly THREE 
gig and is only $299. The Bass Legends sample library has 600mb for $299, the 
virtual instrument Trilogy has an all new selection of 1,000 Basses at 3 
gigbytes for $399....you get the idea.

In other words, these are the first of many instruments to come from 
Spectrasonics.

To the readers and moderators of this forum, please forgive the off-topic 
reply to a question...but since it was posted here, I wanted to post a 
complete answer. Future questions about our new Virtual Instruments should 
probably be sent to us directly at:

info@...

All the best,

Eric Persing
Creative Director
Spectrasonics

--------------
for more info about Spectrasonics new Virtual Instruments please visit:
http://www.spectrasonics.net/

Eric Persing wrote:

>........ with Virtual Instruments, the situation is totally different since
>it isn't a hardware physical box. The Virtual Instrument in this case IS the
>expansion, and "box" is your computer and host program like Logic....see what
>I mean? The reason we don't have "expandable" Virtual Instruments is that it
>isn't necessary. While a product like a JV workstation or a Triton has to get
>EVERY category of sounds into 8 or 16 or 32 or even 64 megabytes, we are
>doing ONE category of sound with THREE Gigabytes!

<snip>

....and lots more.

Eric, thanks for taking the time to be so clear and articulate about 
this. It makes me realise I was locked into a historical framework 
and expected the future to fit into it.

>The Sound Canvas analogy REALLY makes me cringe

My apologies for that. I didn't mean that your new instruments were 
like Sound Canvas - just that Sound Canvas was non-expandable. I owe 
you a lunch next time I'm in the USA !!

Anyway, I still have my credit card ready.  :-)
Please let me know when I can place an order and I'll be the first in 
the queue.

Best regards - Colin