EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

mikaeladle wrote:
> Off course you can, but you cannot convert SD2 "mac" files with
> Soundforge. As I wrote, SF only convert SD2 "pc" files.

Sorry, but I really don't understand that.
I have been using SF to convert files recorded in some ProTools session
sucessfully. Those files weren't converted to any particularily
PC-compatible filetyp, I simply transferred them to my PC (using TransMac to
read the files from CD, as the somewhat not-so-clever studio tech didn't
even know how to burn a CD which I'd be able to read on my machine as well,
sigh...) and converted them. As said, SF even offers some "Motorola / Big
Endian" checkbox, from what I know this is what makes things qualify as
"Mac" files.

Regards,
Sascha

--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> mikaeladle wrote:
> > Off course you can, but you cannot convert SD2 "mac" files with
> > Soundforge. As I wrote, SF only convert SD2 "pc" files.
> 
> Sorry, but I really don't understand that.
> I have been using SF to convert files recorded in some ProTools 
session

Strange. Are you shore they was Sample Cell 2 and not Sample Cell 1?

/MA

At 12:51 AM 3/4/02 +0000, you wrote:
>--- In exs-users@y..., "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...> wrote:
> > mikaeladle wrote:
> > > Off course you can, but you cannot convert SD2 "mac" files with
> > > Soundforge. As I wrote, SF only convert SD2 "pc" files.
> >
> > Sorry, but I really don't understand that.
> > I have been using SF to convert files recorded in some ProTools
>session
>
>Strange. Are you shore they was Sample Cell 2 and not Sample Cell 1?

SampleCell can be funny. Real funny. SC is mostly a Mac platform, but there 
were PC variants (the "endian" stuff Sascha alluded to). We're talking 
about SoundForge - PC, working with SampleCell, right? That's what SF meant?

SampleCell I on a Mac (I think that's all that worked with) stored it's 
info on the resource fork, and nothing was written in the data fork. It was 
a "resource file" of sorts. So it's impossible to literally put a SC1 file 
on a PC, unless there became a way and I don't know about it.

SampleCell II only uses the data fork, like most other files, so that's OK.

But that's only half the story - what about the samples? SampleCell has the 
ability to use many sample formats and use them concurrently. Some samples 
can be AIFF, some SoundDesigner1, some SoundDesigner2, some Mac Sound 
Files, etc. Even .wav files.

SoundDesigner 1 used the datafork only (thank you), whereas SD2 used the 
resource fork for the parameters and the data fork for the straight 
wavedata. AIFF uses just the data fork; same with the others.

The reason I bring up the forks is that the PC only sees the data fork when 
you save a Mac file to PC disk and you see the the disk in a PC - or even 
using TransMac or similar program. Then is an existence a "flattened" 
SampleCell file - whatever that means. However, a format doesn't mean squat 
unless something reads it.

So, if a SampleCell file combination is nice enough to use data forks only, 
you'll be successful. Not so if any resource forks are used, is my guess.

Translator can solve this issue by transferring the SampleCell file 
combination from a Mac HFS disk/CD to the PC, where it is written as 
Big-Endian (Mac way) and using only AIFF files (any other formats are 
converted on the fly). Then you can use SoundForge to transfer it, or just 
use Translator to do it - or just use the SampleCell->EXS translation.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

Do I even need to say that those of you with non-EXS24 sample 
libraries who don't have Translator should really get it.  Can you 
believe one of their guys answered a question on a Sunday?!  
Translator is outstanding and a must as far as I'm concerned for the 
EXS24.  I really appreciate their tenacity in making it work 
beautifully for quite a variety of formats (including Kurzweil!!!).  
And the program is amazingly cheap.

Now we just need Emagic to take the EXS24 to a much deeper level.  I 
am greatly pained that Logic will not allow you to put several 
instruments into a drum map.  Ugh.  Instead, I'm having to build kits 
from my collections of rides, hats, toms, snares and kicks.

Emagic, where are you on this?!

Thanks,

David Gowing

And cross-faded velocity switching. My ASR-10 does this and it is how old?
It can't be that difficult to program (from a theoretical perspective at
least), when compared to other already-existing elements in the EXS24.

> From: "dangcookie" <dangcookie@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:29:59 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [exs] Chicken Systems to the rescue
> 
> Do I even need to say that those of you with non-EXS24 sample
> libraries who don't have Translator should really get it.  Can you
> believe one of their guys answered a question on a Sunday?!
> Translator is outstanding and a must as far as I'm concerned for the
> EXS24.  I really appreciate their tenacity in making it work
> beautifully for quite a variety of formats (including Kurzweil!!!).
> And the program is amazingly cheap.
> 
> Now we just need Emagic to take the EXS24 to a much deeper level.  I
> am greatly pained that Logic will not allow you to put several
> instruments into a drum map.  Ugh.  Instead, I'm having to build kits
> from my collections of rides, hats, toms, snares and kicks.
> 
> Emagic, where are you on this?!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Gowing
> 
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In a message dated 3/5/02 8:55:10 PM, HELP@... writes:

>And cross-faded velocity switching. My ASR-10 does this and it is how old?
>It can't be that difficult to program (from a theoretical perspective at
>least), when compared to other already-existing elements in the EXS24.

That should be in Logic 5 by now...anyone check the little extra parameter 
window...maybe it's in there now.

-EP

<PersingEP@...> wrote (about velocity crossfading):
> That should be in Logic 5 by now...anyone check the little extra parameter
> window...maybe it's in there now.

Nah, still not there :-(

Regards,
Sascha

In a message dated 3/6/02 2:30:55 AM, saschafranck@... writes:

>> That should be in Logic 5 by now...anyone check the little extra parameter
>> window...maybe it's in there now.
>
>Nah, still not there :-(

Strange...it was in an old beta of 4.7 and then they removed it (I thought 
for the 5.0 release). Worked great too...very smooth! Maybe they will release 
it with a big EXS update??? (That would be nice!)

-EP

<PersingEP@...> wrote:
> Strange...it was in an old beta of 4.7 and then they removed it (I thought
> for the 5.0 release). Worked great too...very smooth!

Yah, it was really nice. Actually velocity crossfades are a must for proper
sounding natural patches.

>  Maybe they will release
> it with a big EXS update??? (That would be nice!)

Let's just hope so.

Regards,
Sascha

I couldn't agree more.

> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 12:06:54 +0100
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [exs] Chicken Systems to the rescue
> 
> <PersingEP@...> wrote:
>> Strange...it was in an old beta of 4.7 and then they removed it (I thought
>> for the 5.0 release). Worked great too...very smooth!
> 
> Yah, it was really nice. Actually velocity crossfades are a must for proper
> sounding natural patches.
> 
>> Maybe they will release
>> it with a big EXS update??? (That would be nice!)
> 
> Let's just hope so.
> 
> Regards,
> Sascha
> 
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With MusikMesse in a week hopefully Emagic will announce this then. :-)
Jeremy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: HELP@... [mailto:HELP@...]
> 
> I couldn't agree more.
> 
> > From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
> > Yah, it was really nice. Actually velocity crossfades are a must for
proper

> > sounding natural patches.
> > 
> >> Maybe they will release
> >> it with a big EXS update??? (That would be nice!)
> > 
> > Let's just hope so.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sascha

Shall I hold my breath? Just a little jab at Garth there. That sure would be
nice. It's a great program, but I desperately need it on the Mac as well.
I'm having problems with it in VirtualPC.

> From: "Martin, Jeremy" <MartJe@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:40:16 -0600
> To: "'exs-users@yahoogroups.com'" <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [exs] Chicken Systems to the rescue
> 
> With MusikMesse in a week hopefully Emagic will announce this then. :-)
> Jeremy
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HELP@... [mailto:HELP@...]
>> 
>> I couldn't agree more.
>> 
>>> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@...>
>>> Yah, it was really nice. Actually velocity crossfades are a must for
> proper
>>> sounding natural patches.
>>> 
>>>> Maybe they will release
>>>> it with a big EXS update??? (That would be nice!)
>>> 
>>> Let's just hope so.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sascha
> 
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Ok, I'm getting lost on this thread now.  We're talking about Emagic 
being responsible for velocity crossfades, right?  What's the issue 
with your Mac?  Makes me think you're talking about Translator (made 
by Chicken Systems).

Getting confused... :-0
David Gowing

--- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote:
> Shall I hold my breath? Just a little jab at Garth there. That 
sure would be
> nice. It's a great program, but I desperately need it on the Mac 
as well.
> I'm having problems with it in VirtualPC.
> 
> > From: "Martin, Jeremy" <MartJe@n...>
> > Reply-To: exs-users@y...
> > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:40:16 -0600
> > To: "'exs-users@y...'" <exs-users@y...>
> > Subject: RE: [exs] Chicken Systems to the rescue
> > 
> > With MusikMesse in a week hopefully Emagic will announce this 
then. :-)
> > Jeremy
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: HELP@M... [mailto:HELP@M...]
> >> 
> >> I couldn't agree more.
> >> 
> >>> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...>
> >>> Yah, it was really nice. Actually velocity crossfades are a 
must for
> > proper
> >>> sounding natural patches.
> >>> 
> >>>> Maybe they will release
> >>>> it with a big EXS update??? (That would be nice!)
> >>> 
> >>> Let's just hope so.
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Sascha
> > 
> > 
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No, you got it. Us Mac users are wishing the Mac version of Translator would
come out soon. The program kicks butt, but we either have to have a
dedicated PC or run Virtual PC to use it. Perhaps this thread was spawned by
the cross-fade discussion (I can't remember), but you'll notice the subject
line of this message is talking about Chicken Systems & Translator. -Jer

> From: "dangcookie" <dangcookie@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 06:34:06 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [exs] Chicken Systems to the rescue
> 
> Ok, I'm getting lost on this thread now.  We're talking about Emagic
> being responsible for velocity crossfades, right?  What's the issue
> with your Mac?  Makes me think you're talking about Translator (made
> by Chicken Systems).
> 
> Getting confused... :-0
> David Gowing
> 
> --- In exs-users@y..., <HELP@M...> wrote:
>> Shall I hold my breath? Just a little jab at Garth there. That
> sure would be
>> nice. It's a great program, but I desperately need it on the Mac
> as well.
>> I'm having problems with it in VirtualPC.
>> 
>>> From: "Martin, Jeremy" <MartJe@n...>
>>> Reply-To: exs-users@y...
>>> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:40:16 -0600
>>> To: "'exs-users@y...'" <exs-users@y...>
>>> Subject: RE: [exs] Chicken Systems to the rescue
>>> 
>>> With MusikMesse in a week hopefully Emagic will announce this
> then. :-)
>>> Jeremy
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: HELP@M... [mailto:HELP@M...]
>>>> 
>>>> I couldn't agree more.
>>>> 
>>>>> From: "Sascha Franck" <saschafranck@s...>
>>>>> Yah, it was really nice. Actually velocity crossfades are a
> must for
>>> proper
>>>>> sounding natural patches.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe they will release
>>>>>> it with a big EXS update??? (That would be nice!)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let's just hope so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Sascha
>>> 
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At 06:34 AM 3/9/02 +0000, you wrote:

>Ok, I'm getting lost on this thread now.  We're talking about Emagic
>being responsible for velocity crossfades, right?  What's the issue
>with your Mac?  Makes me think you're talking about Translator (made
>by Chicken Systems).

And...

>Sorry if this has been covered before but I can't see it in the archives
>or the manual. Is there a way to quickly convert a bunch of wav samples
>into exs format as individual instruments? Or a util that does this?
>It's an obvious feature and probably staring me in the face but I can't
>seem to find it.

Both the velocity crossfades and the .wav's to EXS are covered in a new 
maintenance build of Translator due up Tuesday or Wednesday. We put in some 
crafty programming to simulate velocity and keyboard crossfades, in lieu of 
the feature. Hopefully this will come out as a feature in EXS proper.

With the .wav/AIFF->EXS, it's just a automated way of taking samples and 
spreading them out across the keymap. I know HALion does this, but I don't 
think EXS does.

Garth Hjelte
Sampler User

I can only imagine how this is done:

> crafty programming to simulate velocity and keyboard crossfades, in lieu of
> the feature. Hopefully this will come out as a feature in EXS proper.

Do you have to create additional samples to simulate the crossfade? I'm
really curious how you simulated this process, in any case. -Jer