EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

Hello friends. I found this aliasing comparison 
test of several soft samplers. Note that this test 
was conducted by someone who is actually 
programming and selling their own sampler:

http://personal.inet.fi/taide/jeskola/SamplerTest/

What do you guys make of this? Should we be concerned?


Ned


http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, at 01:47 PM, Ned Bouhalassa wrote:

> Hello friends. I found this aliasing comparison
> test of several soft samplers. Note that this test
> was conducted by someone who is actually
> programming and selling their own sampler:
>
> http://personal.inet.fi/taide/jeskola/SamplerTest/
>
> What do you guys make of this? Should we be concerned?
>

Thanks a lot Ned. There I was, happily thinking that my EXS was a much 
loved quality professional tool with seamless integration with Logic 
Audio and now I discover that it's shite.
Pretty pictures though.....
{Wouldn't I notice if it was really that poor?}

Paul.

horselesspaul
music to watch grills by

Ned Bouhalassa wrote:
>
>> Hello friends. I found this aliasing comparison
>> test of several soft samplers. Note that this test
>> was conducted by someone who is actually
>> programming and selling their own sampler:

This site was posted quite a few months back -- either here or on KVR -- I
don't remember. The results presented made me wonder how much better some
of the sets of samples I have would sound with better pitch shifting
algorithms.  To my ears, most sets of (for example) synth samples  I have
sound way worse than the better VSTi's when I use them with the EXS24. It
would be interesting to see if Kontact is any better. I guess the pitch
shifting algorithms and the level of interpolation in the EXS 24 may evolve
to exploit the increasing power of PCs/Macs --a super high quality mode for
rendering would be one way to go. 

If really top quality pitch shifting is still too processor intensive for
realtime perhaps it could be done off line. Perhaps the EXS24/Logic could
offer the option of generating a set of top quality anti-aliased sample
files from a single sample or a small sample set. These could then be used
in performance with low CPU overhead but top quality sound. (might need to
spol the files from disc if the set is large.) 

Regards,
Murray

In a message dated 6/11/02 5:49:26 AM, ned@... writes:

>http://personal.inet.fi/taide/jeskola/SamplerTest/
>
>What do you guys make of this? Should we be concerned?

No man....it is silly...EXS sounds great. One test of many thst could be 
done...

-EP

> No man....it is silly...EXS sounds great. One test of many thst could be
> done...

I agree. It's a subjective thing.

--- In exs-users@y..., Ned Bouhalassa <ned@n...> wrote:

> What do you guys make of this? 

pretty colour scheme, i'm glad exs is the worst.

> In a message dated 6/11/02 5:49:26 AM, ned@... writes:
>
> >http://personal.inet.fi/taide/jeskola/SamplerTest/
> >
> >What do you guys make of this? Should we be concerned?
>
> No man....it is silly...EXS sounds great. One test of many thst could be
> done...
>
> -EP

Another very interesting 'test' (although this can't be done scientifically)
would be comparing filters of the now available softsamplers. Not how
accurate they are but how fruity and tasteful they sound. As subjective as
can be :-) but I still haven't heard softwarefilters that have more
personality than the EXS24 filter (and ES1 and ES2). And I've tried quite a
lot. VirSyn TERA is also very tastefull but that's not a sampler.

Eppo Schaap
Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica
www.galbatron.com
music: www.mp3.com/galbatron

From: Eppo Schaap

>Another very interesting 'test' (although this can't be done
scientifically)
>would be comparing filters of the now available softsamplers. Not how
>accurate they are but how fruity and tasteful they sound. As subjective as
>an be :-) but I still haven't heard softwarefilters that have more
>personality than the EXS24 filter (and ES1 and ES2). And I've tried quite a
>lot. VirSyn TERA is also very tastefull but that's not a sampler.


For loops,  Bitshift Phatmatic Pro, has a lovely sounding filter when using
it in LPF mode.  The Linplug Cronox filter has its moments of greatness but
is quirky and unpredictable.  However, it seems to sound better on the osc
waveforms rather than the wav player section.  Very nice for dance basslines
in lpf mode.  This could be due to the quality of the osc waveforms rather
than the filter.   I love its bandpass mode as well.

Hector.

to be honest.  i don't think that the exs24 filters really stand up to
many hardware samplers that i've heard.  in particular the emu line.
they still sound cold to me.  also, there is a distinct lack of variety.
not to know the whole app, i think it's the best tool out there for what
it does, but the filter sound could definitely be improved.

-reid

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Eppo Schaap wrote:

> > In a message dated 6/11/02 5:49:26 AM, ned@... writes:
> >
> > >http://personal.inet.fi/taide/jeskola/SamplerTest/
> > >
> > >What do you guys make of this? Should we be concerned?
> >
> > No man....it is silly...EXS sounds great. One test of many thst could be
> > done...
> >
> > -EP
>
> Another very interesting 'test' (although this can't be done scientifically)
> would be comparing filters of the now available softsamplers. Not how
> accurate they are but how fruity and tasteful they sound. As subjective as
> can be :-) but I still haven't heard softwarefilters that have more
> personality than the EXS24 filter (and ES1 and ES2). And I've tried quite a
> lot. VirSyn TERA is also very tastefull but that's not a sampler.
>
> Eppo Schaap
> Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica
> www.galbatron.com
> music: www.mp3.com/galbatron
>
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