EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I just installed Stylus.  Its awesome.  To my surprise, I noticed 
something unusual however.  When dragging and dropping Stylus GC 
sequences over Logic 5.1.3...it works perfectly, as expected.  The 
new midi sequence simply appears on the Logic midi track it was 
dropped onto.  However...to my dismay...Metamorphosis or Ethno 
Techno GC sequences do NOT work at all.  The exact same Drag & Drop 
operation into Logic produces nothing.  It simply doesn't work.  The 
Windows cursor changes to show a little "plus sign" to indicate the 
D&D operation...but nothing happens upon release of the mouse 
button.  

How/why would it work with one .mid file, yet not with another?

Of course, I would love all of my GC sequences to work with D&D in 
Logic.  

Any suggestions?  Eric?

Thanks.

Ron

>I just installed Stylus.  Its awesome.  To my surprise, I noticed
>something unusual however.  When dragging and dropping Stylus GC
>sequences over Logic 5.1.3...it works perfectly, as expected.  The
>new midi sequence simply appears on the Logic midi track it was
>dropped onto.  However...to my dismay...Metamorphosis or Ethno
>Techno GC sequences do NOT work at all.  The exact same Drag & Drop
>operation into Logic produces nothing.  It simply doesn't work.  The
>Windows cursor changes to show a little "plus sign" to indicate the
>D&D operation...but nothing happens upon release of the mouse
>button.

The Metamorphosis & Ethno Techno files work perfectly for me. If I 
drag in one of the SMF files, I get a set of sequences (just like you 
would in the Logic songs. Dragging in the single files works too.

I'm using LAMP 5.1.3

Regards - Colin

>>I just installed Stylus.  Its awesome.  To my surprise, I noticed
  >>something unusual however.  When dragging and dropping Stylus GC
  >>sequences over Logic 5.1.3...it works perfectly, as expected.  The
  >>new midi sequence simply appears on the Logic midi track it was
  >>dropped onto.  However...to my dismay...Metamorphosis or Ethno
  >>Techno GC sequences do NOT work at all.  The exact same Drag & Drop
  >>operation into Logic produces nothing.  It simply doesn't work.  The
  >>Windows cursor changes to show a little "plus sign" to indicate the
  >>D&D operation...but nothing happens upon release of the mouse
  >>button.

  >The Metamorphosis & Ethno Techno files work perfectly for me. If I 
  >drag in one of the SMF files, I get a set of sequences (just like you 
  >would in the Logic songs. Dragging in the single files works too.

  >I'm using LAMP 5.1.3

  I think this is a windows combined with 5.13 problem.  I have the same problem with Ethno techno midi files.  I have not tried any others.  I can drag and drop from the phatmatic interface. Also audio files are no problem.

  Hector.


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----- Original Message -----

From: rfeinb


>I just installed Stylus.  Its awesome.  To my surprise, I noticed
>something unusual however.  When dragging and dropping Stylus GC
>sequences over Logic 5.1.3...it works perfectly, as expected.  The
>new midi sequence simply appears on the Logic midi track it was
>dropped onto.  However...to my dismay...Metamorphosis or Ethno
>Techno GC sequences do NOT work at all.  The exact same Drag & Drop
>operation into Logic produces nothing.  It simply doesn't work.  The
>Windows cursor changes to show a little "plus sign" to indicate the
>D&D operation...but nothing happens upon release of the mouse
>button.
>
>How/why would it work with one .mid file, yet not with another?
>
>Of course, I would love all of my GC sequences to work with D&D in
>Logic.

I sent a post about this a few days ago.  I am presuming your on a pc.   I
am waiting
for stylus/pc and it is encouraging to know that drag and drop works for it.
I have had
no success with Ethno Techno and some others and ended up telephoning Jason
Byrne
at the Sound Technology UK Emagic helpline.  He has been able to reproduce
the
problem on a pc there using 5.13 and has informed Emagic Germany of this
probable
bug.

Hector.

Thanks for the replies.   I did read Hectors previous post about 
Emagic indicating that it looked like a probable bug.  But there is 
still some inconsistency.  I also read posts indicating that people 
are having success with D&D on GC Midi sequences. 

Yes I am on a PC....running XP and Logic 5.1.3.  As I said, I can't 
see how some .mid files would work...but others wouldn't.  I seem to 
remember that there are two types of SMF's...1.0 and 2.0...but its 
been a while since I checked into that.  Could that be the problem?
Is the Stylus SMF's a different version of SMF than other GC 
sequences?   Some one indicated that they were getting Ethno Techno 
to work...is that on PC?  XP or 98?   Because it definately doesnt 
work here.   I was hoping Eric could shed some light...because I 
know the rest of us seem to be unclear.

Thanks again everyone for posting.  I really appreciate it.

Ron




> at the Sound Technology UK Emagic helpline.  He has been able to 
reproduce
> the
> problem on a pc there using 5.13 and has informed Emagic Germany 
of this

> probable
> bug.
> 
> Hector.

----- Original Message -----

From: rfeinb


>I seem to remember that there are two types of SMF's...1.0 and 2.0...
>but its been a while since I checked into that.  Could that be the
>problem?

Going from memory: 'format 0' can deal with just 1 midi channel and 'format
1' multiple channels.

>Is the Stylus SMF's a different version of SMF than other GC
>sequences?

Possibly, but I feel the problem is probably a bit more obscure than that.

>Some one indicated that they were getting Ethno Techno
>to work...is that on PC?  XP or 98?

It was Colin Shapiro using a mac.

>I was hoping Eric could shed some light...because I know the rest of us
seem to be unclear.

Eric was unaware of a problem until I told him. He was able to drag + drop
Groove Control .mid files on his pc.  However I believe he was probably
using an earlier version than 5.13.  He was not able to come up with a
solution at the time the last thread finished.  I believe that only Emagic
can sort this out.

Hector.

Thoughts from the mind of Hector, 15-06-2002:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: rfeinb
>>I seem to remember that there are two types of SMF's...1.0 and 2.0...
>>but its been a while since I checked into that.  Could that be the
>>problem?
>
>Going from memory: 'format 0' can deal with just 1 midi channel and 'format
>1' multiple channels.

No, it's one midi _track_ vs. multiple midi tracks.  A track can 
contain data on several different channels.  And it's called format-0 
and format-1. There is also officially a thing called format-2 which 
is mainly intended for drum machines (takes care of patterns & 
thelike), but I've never seen one for real.

>  >Is the Stylus SMF's a different version of SMF than other GC
>>sequences?
>
>Possibly, but I feel the problem is probably a bit more obscure than that.

Easy to check.  Logic can export both format 0 and format 1.  Theres 
a checkbox somewhere,like "export single track as midifile-0 format". 
Check that, have a single-track song and export: you got a format 0 
file there.  Now take a multitrack song and export once more: a 
format 1 file.  Drag both over the program and see what happens.

If someone could send me such a problematic midifile (one please, not 
a dozen :), I would be willing to spend a few minutes to see if 
there's anything "funny" about it.  What was the problem exactly? 
Didn't follow this thread to well...  Dropping on top of which 
program caused problems?  Logic?  Or something different?

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

>>Going from memory: 'format 0' can deal with just 1 midi channel and
'format
>>1' multiple channels.

>No, it's one midi _track_ vs. multiple midi tracks.  A track can
>contain data on several different channels.  And it's called format-0
>and format-1.

Yep,   tracks not channels.


>If someone could send me such a problematic midifile (one please, not
>a dozen :), I would be willing to spend a few minutes to see if
>there's anything "funny" about it.

I will send you one from Ethno Techno.  Remember we are using windows/logic
5.13.


>What was the problem exactly?
>Didn't follow this thread to well...  Dropping on top of which
>program caused problems?  Logic?  Or something different?

Dragging and dropping on to a midi track in logic is not producing a
sequence.  Rfeinb says he has got smf files from Stylus to do it but is also
having problems with Ethno Techno and another groove control cd called
Metamorphosis.  Perhaps he would like to send you a working file from Stylus
to see the difference as they are all from Spectrasonics.

Thanks for your help,  Hector.

> sequence.  Rfeinb says he has got smf files from Stylus to do it 
but is also
> having problems with Ethno Techno and another groove control cd 
called
> Metamorphosis.  Perhaps he would like to send you a working file 
from Stylus
> to see the difference as they are all from Spectrasonics.
> 
> Thanks for your help,  Hector.



I would be happy to do that.   I will send one 'working' Stylus GC 
Sequence.

Thanks for the assistance.

Ron