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do u mean Previous/Nxt Zone/Group in Keycmds? This is all i could find?

what are the midicc/fader no's for changing the exs patch (next and
previous)?

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Subject: [exs] Re: EXS24 - when will it include a next and previous
patchbutton?


> > Subject: Re: EXS24 - when will it include a next and previous patch
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> >> One of the more frustrating things with using EXS24 on a daily
> >> basis is the lack of a next and previous patch buttons....
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> > You can assign virtually any midi information to act as next/previous
patch

> > remote controls.
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> what are the midicc/fader no's for changing the exs patch (next and
> previous)?

They are not fixed.
Open the EXS instrument editor, then go to "Edit > Preferences". There you
can assign a lot of possible MIDI commands to select the previous/next
instrument.

Regards,
Sascha

hello everybody,
i'm actually using an icebook500, emi2|6 and logic 4.8.1, exs.. etc

I desperately need automation right now so i should upgrade to logic 5.
Problem is i've been told logic5 is much more cpu demanding, and with my
icebook500 and 4.8.1 i'm alredy on the edge (just 1 platinumverb and some
compressors before running out of cpu).
So i guess if i upgrade to logic5 i'll have automation but NO cpu for a
single reverb!\ufffd? (anyone has tried this setup?)

Therefore i'm thinking about going with the mbox and ptoolsLE for recording
and mixing (as the icebook500 runs PTools LE fine with automation and
several reverbs, comps, eqs..) and use logic just for midi
composing/notation.
So, does the digi mbox really work with logic -with propagama or whatever
driver- under low latency settings? low latency enough to play live exs24
from a midi KB?

thanx in advance,
jindrich.

Sascha Franck [mailto:saschafranck@...] :
>Open the EXS instrument editor, then go to "Edit > Preferences". 
>There you can assign a lot of possible MIDI commands 
>to select the previous/next instrument.

Maybe someone can clarify. My EXS is dated end of 2001 and it came with
Gold 4.8. I can't find this menu choice mentioned by Sascha, it isn't
there. However the "previous/next instrument" commands are visible in
the key commands window and can be assigned. The result is that you can
walk through the instrument edit screens of instruments allready in a
song. I don't find this very helpfull. I would like to browse and listen
through all available instruments in a directory or so. Is this V5
functionality?
Regards,
Herbert Boland

Hi Herbert

--- In exs-users@y..., "Herbert Boland" <yahoo@z...> wrote:
> I would like to browse and listen
> through all available instruments in a directory or so. Is this V5
> functionality?

Here is what I do:

1) Open the edit window, not the graphic window
2) Click on the instrument selection window at the top once
3) Now when you use the numerical + and - keys you select the next or 
previous EXS instrument in the sample instrument folder

This method seems to be base on Logic's convention that whenever you 
have a non-graphical data field you can use the + and - keys to 
change it's value after having highlighted it by clicking on it. 
Beware that if you click for too long a window with all your sample 
instruments open. In fact this window can be helpful too if you 
didn't know it already.

Let me know if that was helpful.

Kind regards,

Soren

Herbert Boland wrote:
> Maybe someone can clarify. My EXS is dated end of 2001 and it came with
> Gold 4.8. I can't find this menu choice mentioned by Sascha, it isn't
> there. However the "previous/next instrument" commands are visible in
> the key commands window and can be assigned. The result is that you can
> walk through the instrument edit screens of instruments allready in a
> song. I don't find this very helpfull.

Yeah well, this isn't related to the EXS anyways.

> I would like to browse and listen
> through all available instruments in a directory or so. Is this V5
> functionality?

Hm, this defenitely is no V5 functionality, it was introduced in either 4.7
or 4.8, I don't remember clearly.
I would wonder about it, but maybe this functionality hasn't made it into
the Gold versions?

Regards,
Sascha

--- In exs-users@y..., "Herbert Boland" <yahoo@z...> wrote:
> I would like to browse and listen
> through all available instruments in a directory or so. Is this V5 
> functionality?

Sascha replied:
>Hm, this defenitely is no V5 functionality, it was introduced in 
>either 4.7 or 4.8, I don't remember clearly. I would wonder about 
>it, but maybe this functionality hasn't made it into the Gold versions?

... The EXS manual says version 2.0 (september 2001) and doesn't refer
to any Logic version. So I guess everyone is equal in that respect. What
number is on the EXS shipped with V5?

Soren replied [mailto:sorenrv@...]:
1) Open the edit window, not the graphic window
2) Click on the instrument selection window at the top once
3) Now when you use the numerical + and - keys you select the next or 
previous EXS instrument in the sample instrument folder

Thanks for assisting. Found it! A true time saver.
Regards,
Herbert Boland

Thoughts from the mind of Herbert Boland, 30-07-2002:

>--- In exs-users@y..., "Herbert Boland" <yahoo@z...> wrote:
>>  I would like to browse and listen
>>  through all available instruments in a directory or so. Is this V5
>>  functionality?
>
>Sascha replied:
>>Hm, this defenitely is no V5 functionality, it was introduced in
>>either 4.7 or 4.8, I don't remember clearly. I would wonder about
>>it, but maybe this functionality hasn't made it into the Gold versions?
>
>... The EXS manual says version 2.0 (september 2001) and doesn't refer
>to any Logic version. So I guess everyone is equal in that respect. What
>number is on the EXS shipped with V5?

Isn't there some confusion here as to what window we're talking 
about?  Open an EXS instance, and in the EXS interface, click the 
Edit button left of the green display that shows the loaded 
instrument's name.  That opens an instrument editor, which has it's 
own menu's.  In one of those menu's you find the "Preferences" in 
which the prev/next stuff is located.

If it isn't there, I seriously think something's wrong with your 
install.  My ZoneSwitch environment crashing on you also made me 
wonder if you didn't have some sort of strange problem...

And in reply to Sascha:  I don't believe for a second that there is 
such a beast as an EXS-gold vs an EXS-Platinum.  That would be 
bizarre...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Soren wrote:
>1) Open the edit window, not the graphic window
>2) Click on the instrument selection window at the top once
>3) Now when you use the numerical + and - keys you select the next or
>previous EXS instrument in the sample instrument folder
>
>This method seems to be base on Logic's convention that whenever you
>have a non-graphical data field you can use the + and - keys to
>change it's value after having highlighted it by clicking on it.
>Beware that if you click for too long a window with all your sample
>instruments open. In fact this window can be helpful too if you
>didn't know it already.

Perhaps on Windows, but not on Mac. The EXS24 opens in a float window 
and the +/- keys don't work in such a case. A Mac user may 
accidentally alter another value, whichever was the last one chosen.

Pity......

Thanks for the info on this thread though. I've chosen to use note 
no's as my triggers: I just use the very top 2 keys on my controller 
keyboard (notes 107 & 108) as I don't generally go up that high!  :-)

Regards - Colin

Hendrik Jan Veenstra [mailto:h@...] :
>Isn't there some confusion here as to what window we're talking 
>about?  Open an EXS instance, and in the EXS interface, click the 
>Edit button left of the green display that shows the loaded 
>instrument's name.  That opens an instrument editor, which has it's 
>own menu's.  In one of those menu's you find the "Preferences" in 
>which the prev/next stuff is located.

It isn't there, sorry.

>If it isn't there, I seriously think something's wrong with your 
>install.  My ZoneSwitch environment crashing on you also made me 
>wonder if you didn't have some sort of strange problem...

I hope not... Anyway, I guess I'll upgrade to Gold 5.2/EXS soon and
maybe a clean install will perform magic here.
Regards, 
Herbert Boland

Hendrik sayed:

<snip>

> Isn't there some confusion here as to what window we're talking 
> about?  Open an EXS instance, and in the EXS interface, click the 
> Edit button left of the green display that shows the loaded 
> instrument's name.  That opens an instrument editor, which has it's 
> own menu's.  In one of those menu's you find the "Preferences" in 
> which the prev/next stuff is located.

<snip>

Yeah, that does it. But in true Emagic it is a bit convoluted to 
figure out how to use and only provides half the flexibility one 
might want. I use two keys at the extreme end of my keyboard set up 
for the task. Why one could not simply use key strokes on the 
computer keyboard I do not know. Less gymnastics that way.

Can one create an environment that takes two key strokes like "+" 
and "-" and convert them into data that the EXS would understand as 
patch selectors?

Bob

Thoughts from the mind of splugapass, 30-07-2002:

>Hendrik sayed:
>  > Isn't there some confusion here as to what window we're talking
>>  about?  Open an EXS instance, and in the EXS interface, click the
>>  Edit button left of the green display that shows the loaded
>>  instrument's name.  That opens an instrument editor, which has it's
>>  own menu's.  In one of those menu's you find the "Preferences" in
>  > which the prev/next stuff is located.
>
>[...]
>Can one create an environment that takes two key strokes like "+"
>and "-" and convert them into data that the EXS would understand as
>patch selectors?

I got several environment wishes, all competing for 1st place, and 
this is one of them...  No, you can't use the computer keyboard at 
all to control anything in the environment, and that's a f'ing shame.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

Just came across this web site.
It's got a whole bunch of online sample calculators on it.

http://deepsound.net/calculs.html

My old sample calc won't work on XP (tried everything) so enjoy

Matt


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>Just came across this web site.
>It's got a whole bunch of online sample calculators on it.
>
>http://deepsound.net/calculs.html

Thanks Matt
That one gets a bookmark.

Regards - Colin

--- In exs-users@y..., "sorenrv" <sorenrv@h...> wrote:
> 
> Let me know if that was helpful.
> Kind regards,
> Soren

I'd seen this mentioned in the manual, 

: Next Instrument
: Selects the Following Instrument (when multiple Instruments 
: are opened for editing) ...

and had assumed that this feature was just to let you flip between 
instruments that you'd already manually opened, rather than a way of 
loading new instruments.


Of course, the sensible thing would be to implement Program Change 
commands, and let the user switch between the patches in a folder 
that way. I don't suppose many of us have more than 128 EXS patches 
in one folder. Use bank commands to switch between folders. 
Allow the "bank" and "patch" lists to appear on the arrange page as 
they currently do for MIDI instruments and memory-resident 
soundfonts, the user could then select the patch list parameter and 
change the value with the +/- keys. Especially useful if you have 
imported "GM sets" of instruments into EXS, and have lots of very 
small fast-loading instrument sets, 128 per folder.

At the moment, logic's integrated instruments are arguably a bit less 
integrated in some ways than third-party instruments and external 
MIDI sources, not implementing program changes is bizarre. 

Erk

> >One problem though (in the environment window):
> >As soon as you hold <command>, a second Tool is selected, so you have
> >to make the Arrow the second tool also.
> >In the Track mixer, this is not a problem of course.
> 
> No problem in the environment window as well, as it also works with
> shift/option or control/option (should have mentioned all three before).

AFAIK you need only the option key.