EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

-----Original Message-----

From: John Nikolakopoulos <yannis@...>

>This may not work on PC, but make your folder where you want it, make an
>alias ( or shortcut in PC world) of that folder in the place where the
>program wants to find it and rename the shortcut exactly the way the
>computer wants ( ie akaisamples). It may work, it may crash. Give it a
shot.
>Tell me how t goes

This doesn't work. First thing I tried :)
My 45Gb harddrive should be here tomorrow so I will start converting real
soon.
Does any other converting program allow this?

--
Arvid Solvang
http://www.viagram.no/privat/arvid/

Unity latency sucks and doesn't integrate well with VST mixing.
Unless your Hans Zimmerman (sp?), what the heck do you need more than 16
instruments for anyway? (soon to increase in Logic 4.7 I believe)

I can see if you have the budget to get 64 independent tracks of input back
into Logic, using all your PCI slots, then you can mix with VST, but I think
you're missing the point of the beauty of the EXS24 completely. You're
probably better off in your outboard world, my friend, you obviously mix
using a mixer and not VST FX. There is something to be said for the power
that exists in my PowerBook laptop. You are comparing apples to oranges. The
EXS is right for a lot of people, just not for you... Jer

> From: "digitalsurgery" <info@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:20:35 -0800
> To: <exs-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [exs] So let me get this straight.........
> 
> 
> 
> Basically
> 
> EXS24 = 16 instruments. Thats it. Not just 16 audio outs BUT 16 instruments
> with as much as 64 voice per instrument.
> 
> We can get a LOT more out of our AKAI! 256 Voice and many more instruments
> than 16.
> 
> Are we correct or is there something we are missing?
> 
> ALSO,
> Unity gives you
> 
> 8X16 instruments   and 16 audio outs in DirectConnect .
> 
> SO what is all the fuss?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Basically

EXS24 = 16 instruments. Thats it. Not just 16 audio outs BUT 16 instruments
with as much as 64 voice per instrument.

We can get a LOT more out of our AKAI! 256 Voice and many more instruments
than 16.

Are we correct or is there something we are missing?

ALSO,
Unity gives you

8X16 instruments   and 16 audio outs in DirectConnect .

SO what is all the fuss?

Hi,

> Unless your Hans Zimmerman (sp?), what the heck do you need more than 16
> instruments for anyway? (soon to increase in Logic 4.7 I believe)

I'm not Hans Zimmerman (although I wish I had his bank account ;-), and still I
feel the need for more than 16 audio instruments. Most of my songs contain lots
of samples, and therefore 16 EXS/DR005 instances often aren't enough.

> I can see if you have the budget to get 64 independent tracks of input back
> into Logic

Mentioning the 64 audio tracks per driver type: even that is close sometimes. I
often use lots of audio and vocals layers and I have to bounce down now and then.

> but I think
> you're missing the point of the beauty of the EXS24 completely. You're
> probably better off in your outboard world, my friend, you obviously mix
> using a mixer and not VST FX. There is something to be said for the power
> that exists in my PowerBook laptop. You are comparing apples to oranges. The
> EXS is right for a lot of people, just not for you... Jer

I don't think so... it's just a misunderstanding between the two of you, I think.

There are limitations in EXS indeed... but there are many advantages as well: you
get a 24bit 96kHz sampler (doesn't exist in hardware yet) with a great filter,
"some" modulation possibilities (I just reread the manual and I'm impressed how
many things are in that GUI - doesn't have the synthesis power of an Emulator of
K2600 yet though) and great integration with your songs: everything is stored
within a song, you can save all your samples on 1 huge harddisk and access all of
them easily and quickly etc etc.

Bye,
Joeri
--
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

> We can get a LOT more out of our AKAI! 256 Voice and many more instruments
> than 16.

?
16*64=1024 voices (well, somehow)
16 instruments (24 w/Logic 4.7) versus 32 midichannels
but 24 (virtual) outputs (soon) vs 16

regards, c_can

BTW - The name is Hans Zimmer.

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck [mailto:joeri@...]
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 4:25 PM
To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [exs] So let me get this straight.........


Hi,

> Unless your Hans Zimmerman (sp?), what the heck do you need more than 16
> instruments for anyway? (soon to increase in Logic 4.7 I believe)

I'm not Hans Zimmerman (although I wish I had his bank account ;-), and
still I
feel the need for more than 16 audio instruments. Most of my songs contain
lots
of samples, and therefore 16 EXS/DR005 instances often aren't enough.

> I can see if you have the budget to get 64 independent tracks of input
back
> into Logic

Mentioning the 64 audio tracks per driver type: even that is close
sometimes. I
often use lots of audio and vocals layers and I have to bounce down now and
then.

> but I think
> you're missing the point of the beauty of the EXS24 completely. You're
> probably better off in your outboard world, my friend, you obviously mix
> using a mixer and not VST FX. There is something to be said for the power
> that exists in my PowerBook laptop. You are comparing apples to oranges.
The
> EXS is right for a lot of people, just not for you... Jer

I don't think so... it's just a misunderstanding between the two of you, I
think.

There are limitations in EXS indeed... but there are many advantages as
well: you
get a 24bit 96kHz sampler (doesn't exist in hardware yet) with a great
filter,
"some" modulation possibilities (I just reread the manual and I'm impressed
how
many things are in that GUI - doesn't have the synthesis power of an
Emulator of
K2600 yet though) and great integration with your songs: everything is
stored
within a song, you can save all your samples on 1 huge harddisk and access
all of
them easily and quickly etc etc.

Bye,
Joeri
--
Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM




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No, no, Bob Zimmer is the ESX24 power user!

--- In exs-users@y..., "digitalsurgery" <info@d...> wrote:

> BTW - The name is Hans Zimmer.
> 
> Richard
>

//

since yall talking about pro/con-exs... everybody check this:

episode1:
.new song 120 bpm.
.new sequence on audio instument 1 (exs or vst)
.draw 16 1/16th notes across one bar
.cycle
.run
ok!

episode2:
.new sequence 2nd track same audio instrument
.hyperdraw a fade of controller 2 across 4 bars.
.compress to 1/4th bar.
.copy x4 to fill one bar.
.cycle
.run
(???)

episode3:
.change controller to number 21
.run
ok!

episode4:
.transform controller to pitchbend
.run
(???)


// my old casio synth handles controller overflow more elegant than the exs
// or any vst instument...
// so does cubase, but i hat the program in general... no discussion needed.

hope for 4.7!

fuzz.

//

Will check it tonight.

"f.yarhammer@..." wrote:

> //
>
> since yall talking about pro/con-exs... everybody check this:
>
> episode1:
> .new song 120 bpm.
> .new sequence on audio instument 1 (exs or vst)
> .draw 16 1/16th notes across one bar
> .cycle
> .run
> ok!
>
> episode2:
> .new sequence 2nd track same audio instrument
> .hyperdraw a fade of controller 2 across 4 bars.
> .compress to 1/4th bar.
> .copy x4 to fill one bar.
> .cycle
> .run
> (???)
>
> episode3:
> .change controller to number 21
> .run
> ok!
>
> episode4:
> .transform controller to pitchbend
> .run
> (???)
>
> // my old casio synth handles controller overflow more elegant than the exs
> // or any vst instument...
> // so does cubase, but i hat the program in general... no discussion needed.
>
> hope for 4.7!
>
> fuzz.
>
> //
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> exs-users-unsubscribe@egroups.com

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Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@...

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List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

OOOooooooh aren't we flash?

In a message dated 2/13/01 3:19:01 AM, info@... writes:

<< BTW - The name is Hans Zimmer. >>

I have spoken to someone connected with him and I think he is moving over to 
Giga Sampler........ Might be mistaken.
Giga Sampler is only available on PC.
Anyone who works in the realm of professional music should know that PC's 
suck for anything other than games and word processing!

So what are you gonna say to that?

Hi,

> << BTW - The name is Hans Zimmer. >>
> I have spoken to someone connected with him and I think he is moving over to
> Giga Sampler........ Might be mistaken.

No, he has already moved to GigaSampler some months ago.

> Giga Sampler is only available on PC.
> Anyone who works in the realm of professional music should know that PC's
> suck for anything other than games and word processing!

> So what are you gonna say to that?

1) that this statement was true 5 years ago but isn't today
2) that platform wars are not wanted on this list.

Bye,
Joeri

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joeri@...

Belway Productions      -     http://www.belway.com
List-admin   Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:28:55 EST, joedubass@... wrote:

>>Anyone who works in the realm of professional music should know that PC's 
>>suck for anything other than games and word processing!
>>
>>So what are you gonna say to that? 

Not again.

Or should I say: What would you say if I tell you that only an AOL user can say such stupid 
things?

Not again, please!



Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With kind regards

Thorsten Kowalski

Yeah a sense of humour.
Everyone should just relax and discuss things of more importance than what's 
better and why.
Thank you for the quick response.

Speak Soon
Joe

We don't want Sampler wars either.

Speak soon
Joe

If you look carefully at the Hans AD, there is something very abnormal about
the monitors setup ...................

>> << BTW - The name is Hans Zimmer. >>
>> I have spoken to someone connected with him and I think he is moving over to
>> Giga Sampler........ Might be mistaken.
> 
> No, he has already moved to GigaSampler some months ago.

Maybe I was tired, maybe I was feeling a bit fresh. Nothing wrong with AKAI
and, Joeri, you make some good points. Still, I certainly would value the
EXS above the Unity, any day of the year. Ok...

Hans Zimmer... touchy, touchy people. Hope I didn't step on any fans' toes.
He's very talented and uses samplers like nobody's business, but I picked up
the Gladiator soundtrack, mainly because of Lisa Gerrard, formerly of Dead
Can Dance.

Joeri & others: I definitely see your point in needing more than 16 tracks
if you are isolating every drum sound. I believe we are supposed to get 24
VST instruments in Logic 4.7. We'll see.

Take my original post with a grain of salt. I was responding to what I
considered an over-the-top jab at the EXS from someone who really didn't
seem interested in its strengths. AKAIs, especially the later editions, are
amazing hardware and terrific work horses. If I were predominately
outboard-gear based with a large automated mixer, I would definitely go for
the latest AKAI. However, my studio is mobile, and I value the VST
environment for which the EXS is well-suited. That is all I meant to
convey--not trying to start a controversy here. -Jer

yaaawn, why wasting time with discussing senseless things like exs vs.
gigasampler or hard-vs.software??? If you don�t like exs, sell it. BTW it�s
nearly new and emagic w_i_L_L fix the problems like they always did because
they have to get new satisfied customers. Ok, the exs definitly doesn�t
replace my e6400, but I didn�t really expected this ;-), but for itself it�s
great and I�m shure it will grow!!! Cheers, joh

> > << BTW - The name is Hans Zimmer. >>
> > I have spoken to someone connected with him and I think he is moving over to
> > Giga Sampler........ Might be mistaken.
>
> No, he has already moved to GigaSampler some months ago.

And I bet he has a few dedicated machines just for the job...which tells us where the
hardware sampler guys have screwed up. Should be listening to their customers, me
thinks ;-)

> > Giga Sampler is only available on PC.
> > Anyone who works in the realm of professional music should know that PC's
> > suck for anything other than games and word processing!
>
> > So what are you gonna say to that?
>
> 1) that this statement was true 5 years ago but isn't today
> 2) that platform wars are not wanted on this list.

No intention of propagating this nonsense, Joeri, but apropos "platform wars" - to
quote Steve Jobs from years ago

//
What does Steve Jobs say about the plight of the company he started and the strategy of
the man who wrote its first business plan, put up the first cash, and ultimately cast
him out? Not much: "To me it's simple,'' he says. "If I were running Apple, I would
milk the Macintosh for all it's worth--and get busy on the next great thing. The PC
wars are over. Done. Microsoft won a long time ago."
//

Personally, whatever tool does the job. I used to be a hardware sampler...

Best,
Marc

//

on my part i don't want to talk bad about the exs or vst instuments.
it simply that i would like to know fact regarding the timing since it is
something mentioned as a PRO - i experience it as a definite CON...

workflow.
create data overflow and fear stack overflow.
be aware of circular structure.
-1
...music!

//