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...bit of an odd one for the list... don't know if anyone can help?

...after having a brush with a 60 piece orchestra and it devastating my 
budget on a tv ad, for the next one I'm wondering if there exists, in london 
a programmer kitted out with 'garritan strings', 'dan dean brass' , etc and 
some experience in orchestrating who could embellish and enlarge the sound 
of my Sziedlaczek demo's allowing me just to maybe bring in just a few real 
instruments to take the lead lines.

I'm not expecting miracles, I know you can't replace a 60 piece orchestra 
recorded in a big studio but I"m sure you can get closer than my demo's with 
a set of decent up to date samples and some orchestrating experience.

anyone know anybody with a track record who might be good for this?

thanks in advance
pete diggs

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on 13/11/02 9:57 PM, the noise at itsthenoise@... wrote:

> ...bit of an odd one for the list... don't know if anyone can help?
> 
> ...after having a brush with a 60 piece orchestra and it devastating my
> budget on a tv ad, for the next one I'm wondering if there exists, in london
> a programmer kitted out with 'garritan strings', 'dan dean brass' , etc and
> some experience in orchestrating who could embellish and enlarge the sound
> of my Sziedlaczek demo's allowing me just to maybe bring in just a few real
> instruments to take the lead lines.
> 
> I'm not expecting miracles, I know you can't replace a 60 piece orchestra
> recorded in a big studio but I"m sure you can get closer than my demo's with
> a set of decent up to date samples and some orchestrating experience.
> 
> anyone know anybody with a track record who might be good for this?
> 
> thanks in advance
> pete diggs
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You may want to think about investing in a Giga Sampler PC rig and leave the
EXS for smaller things. If your going to sketch things out anyway you may as
well use what most film/orchestral composers are using these days and speak
the common language.
Here in Australia the trend is also toward Gigasampler amongst the "pros".
Emagic have clearly shown their intentions with such slow development and
the more modern music culture slant of their products. Gigasampler has now
established itself as the most innovative tool for your type of work.
I'm starting to wonder how good Gigasampler would be with my loop and drum
library, I'm going to have to get a PC rig to stay in the "loop" with all
the other composers around me anyway. In a way Gigasampler has become like
ProTools. Everybody is sharing work and sending their files from one studio
to another and sharing the work load. I did get a number of my friends to
try the EXS but they have all since bought GigaSampler.
Didn't intend to turn your question in to a rant but I think you might be
investing time and effort in to the wrong software.
By the way to bring things more on topic: I think you can "almost" replace a
60 piece orchestra with a combination of real players and samples. I've just
finished 2 projects that did just that. One had 15 players and the other had
10. Both scores were fleshed out with samples. Both those composers were
using EXS and now have Gigasampler.
Phil Buckle.

>By the way to bring things more on topic: I think you can "almost" replace 
>a
>60 piece orchestra with a combination of real players and samples. I've 
>just
>finished 2 projects that did just that. One had 15 players and the other 
>had
>10. Both scores were fleshed out with samples. Both those composers were
>using EXS and now have Gigasampler.
>Phil Buckle.
>
>

thanks phil - because I very rarely [at this point] do orchestral work and 
because I'm mac, I'm struggling with the hassle expense of buying a PC/GIGA 
setup on top of a big orchestral sample set.

it really is tragic the way emagic is so so so slow updating the EXS,  the 
betas seem to have been flying around for ages!
even the Vienna Symphony Library [which sounds perfect-check the demo's 
they're incredible!!] seems to be waiting for an update [hence the EXS Mk II 
mentions on their site].

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Phil Buckle wrote:
> 
> You may want to think about investing in a Giga Sampler PC rig and leave the
> EXS for smaller things. If your going to sketch things out anyway you may as
> well use what most film/orchestral composers are using these days and speak
> the common language.
> Here in Australia the trend is also toward Gigasampler amongst the "pros".
> Emagic have clearly shown their intentions with such slow development and
> the more modern music culture slant of their products. Gigasampler has now
> established itself as the most innovative tool for your type of work.
> I'm starting to wonder how good Gigasampler would be with my loop and drum
> library, I'm going to have to get a PC rig to stay in the "loop" with all
> the other composers around me anyway. In a way Gigasampler has become like
> ProTools. Everybody is sharing work and sending their files from one studio
> to another and sharing the work load. I did get a number of my friends to
> try the EXS but they have all since bought GigaSampler.
> Didn't intend to turn your question in to a rant but I think you might be
> investing time and effort in to the wrong software.
> By the way to bring things more on topic: I think you can "almost" replace a
> 60 piece orchestra with a combination of real players and samples. I've just
> finished 2 projects that did just that. One had 15 players and the other had
> 10. Both scores were fleshed out with samples. Both those composers were
> using EXS and now have Gigasampler.
> Phil Buckle.

Hmmm, interesting points Phil.

I wonder if the situation'll change though? Like maybe when the
mysterious "EXS24 II" mentioned on the Vienna Symphonic site appears? I
can't help wondering if the EXS24 is in for some serious overhaul
considering that Vineea Symphonic have seen fit to choose it for the Mac
side of their sample libraries?

Very true Phil...but on the other hand, commiting to a new sampler format is 
a pretty big deal, especially one like Giga, that requires a whole new rig. 
Not everyone is in the same rush. I think that you're right in that if you 
need the serious orchestral power rig today, GIGA is the solution.

Then again, the EXS on Windows computers is pretty amazing now...oh 
right...no EXSII for those guys...bummer!

-EP

In a message dated 11/14/02 5:57:51 PM, pbuckle@... writes:

>We know that software is always evolving and Eric Persing made some good
>points about up coming improvements in the software samplers.
>Who knows when the EX11 will arrive.....so do we all sit around and wait
>for
>it?
>You really have to use what is working NOW. The jobs are out there now.
>Not
>in 2 or three months time when Emagic decide to turn their attention to
>some
>of our specific desires.
>We sure get hung up with this "one day it will be really good when they
>support blah blah blah" or "guess what we are going to release at the next
>show"
>I don't support the concept of "don't by xxxxxx because in 2 months time
>Emagic will probably, almost , I think someone said, it's rumoured, you
>won't believe how powerful it is, it's going to run on system 11, you'll
>really be mad to miss out on this one, when they finish developing the
>kernel for future software and it's going to make everything else look
>like
>crap and don't worry about Native Instruments cos nothing will prepare
>you
>for what could perhaps be arriving the very day that you decide to buy
>something that already works perfectly well.
>Know what I mean?
>Phil Buckle.

on 15/11/02 9:41 AM, Bill Canty at bill@... wrote:

> Phil Buckle wrote:
>> 
>> You may want to think about investing in a Giga Sampler PC rig and leave the
>> EXS for smaller things. If your going to sketch things out anyway you may as
>> well use what most film/orchestral composers are using these days and speak
>> the common language.
>> Here in Australia the trend is also toward Gigasampler amongst the "pros".
>> Emagic have clearly shown their intentions with such slow development and
>> the more modern music culture slant of their products. Gigasampler has now
>> established itself as the most innovative tool for your type of work.
>> I'm starting to wonder how good Gigasampler would be with my loop and drum
>> library, I'm going to have to get a PC rig to stay in the "loop" with all
>> the other composers around me anyway. In a way Gigasampler has become like
>> ProTools. Everybody is sharing work and sending their files from one studio
>> to another and sharing the work load. I did get a number of my friends to
>> try the EXS but they have all since bought GigaSampler.
>> Didn't intend to turn your question in to a rant but I think you might be
>> investing time and effort in to the wrong software.
>> By the way to bring things more on topic: I think you can "almost" replace a
>> 60 piece orchestra with a combination of real players and samples. I've just
>> finished 2 projects that did just that. One had 15 players and the other had
>> 10. Both scores were fleshed out with samples. Both those composers were
>> using EXS and now have Gigasampler.
>> Phil Buckle.
> 
> Hmmm, interesting points Phil.
> 
> I wonder if the situation'll change though? Like maybe when the
> mysterious "EXS24 II" mentioned on the Vienna Symphonic site appears? I
> can't help wondering if the EXS24 is in for some serious overhaul
> considering that Vineea Symphonic have seen fit to choose it for the Mac
> side of their sample libraries?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
We know that software is always evolving and Eric Persing made some good
points about up coming improvements in the software samplers.
Who knows when the EX11 will arrive.....so do we all sit around and wait for
it?
You really have to use what is working NOW. The jobs are out there now. Not
in 2 or three months time when Emagic decide to turn their attention to some
of our specific desires.
We sure get hung up with this "one day it will be really good when they
support blah blah blah" or "guess what we are going to release at the next
show"
I don't support the concept of "don't by xxxxxx because in 2 months time
Emagic will probably, almost , I think someone said, it's rumoured, you
won't believe how powerful it is, it's going to run on system 11, you'll
really be mad to miss out on this one, when they finish developing the
kernel for future software and it's going to make everything else look like
crap and don't worry about Native Instruments cos nothing will prepare you
for what could perhaps be arriving the very day that you decide to buy
something that already works perfectly well.
Know what I mean?
Phil Buckle.