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Re: [LUG] [GEN] EXS Sampling

Re: [LUG] [GEN] EXS Sampling

2002-11-29 by Sascha Franck

The song you're talking about is just some template to let you record the
samples.
However, it does not cut them, name them properly and adjust any loop
points.
I'm using such a template song as well, containing sequences playing the
instrument in question in:
- Octaves, from C0 to C7
- Tritones, from C0...
- Major thirds...
- Minor thirds...
- Diatonic seconds in C...
- Chromatic... (especially useful when sampling drum machines)
Those are all playing back at Velocity = 127.

Then I have the same sequences again, this time playing at more than one
velocity:
- 65 + 127
- 45 + 85 + 127
- 35 + 65 + 95 + 127

Depending on the attack/decay/release time of the instrument in question I
just lower or raise the tempo.

Obviously it's not that hard to do yourself such a template song.

Anyways, as said, you still need to do yourself all the cutting (just using
"strip silence" and "convert regions into individual audiofiles" still won't
name them properly, let alone the fact that strip silence isn't exactly
working too well on low levels).

Then: if you plan to sample some VST instruments, there's a great little
program called "Chainer".
Originally planned to be a VST standalone host (which it actually does quite
well) and a VST plugin, "chaining" VST instruments and plugins, it can also
be used to sample VST instruments and FX in standalone mode (for obvious
reasons this won't work for Emagic's instruments, too bad... the blessings
of proprietary "standards"...).
You can just setup a combination of VST instruments and effects, tweak to
your likings (it even includes a randomizing function) and then use some
export function. In that dialog you will be able to set the number (and
notes) of the keys you want to be exported and name the exported file
properly. Folliwing the number of keys you assigned, it will then render
some wavefiles with appropriate note number additions (such as
"FM7_FatPad_C0) which the EXS could then automap properly.
Of course, if you need looped samples, you will still have to do that
yourself, either straight in the EXS or in some proper audio editor, but if
you set the threshold to a high value, this might eventually not be
required - sure, the files are getting larger, but in times of large HDDs
one could just ignore that.

The nice thing about "Chainer" is that you can actually run a layer of VST
instruments in combination with all sorts of VST effects and then render
everything down.
In case you have a multiclient soundcard or an additional card for MME
purposes only, you can even keep Logic and "Chainer" opened simultaneously.

Just give it a try:
www.xlutop.com
(the demo won't save any presets, but the export function will work just
nicely)

Regards,
Sascha

Re: [exs] Re: [LUG] [GEN] EXS Sampling

2002-11-29 by Bacizone

Thanks Sascha,

so the best is still to use the full automatic sampling capabilites of the 
E-MU Ultra sampers..

>The song you're talking about is just some template to let you record the
>samples.
>However, it does not cut them, name them properly and adjust any loop
>points.
>I'm using such a template song as well, containing sequences playing the
>instrument in question in:
>- Octaves, from C0 to C7
>- Tritones, from C0...
>- Major thirds...
>- Minor thirds...
>- Diatonic seconds in C...
>- Chromatic... (especially useful when sampling drum machines)
>Those are all playing back at Velocity = 127.
>
>Then I have the same sequences again, this time playing at more than one
>velocity:
>- 65 + 127
>- 45 + 85 + 127
>- 35 + 65 + 95 + 127
>
>Depending on the attack/decay/release time of the instrument in question I
>just lower or raise the tempo.
>
>Obviously it's not that hard to do yourself such a template song.
>
>Anyways, as said, you still need to do yourself all the cutting (just using
>"strip silence" and "convert regions into individual audiofiles" still won't
>name them properly, let alone the fact that strip silence isn't exactly
>working too well on low levels).
>
>Then: if you plan to sample some VST instruments, there's a great little
>program called "Chainer".
>Originally planned to be a VST standalone host (which it actually does quite
>well) and a VST plugin, "chaining" VST instruments and plugins, it can also
>be used to sample VST instruments and FX in standalone mode (for obvious
>reasons this won't work for Emagic's instruments, too bad... the blessings
>of proprietary "standards"...).
>You can just setup a combination of VST instruments and effects, tweak to
>your likings (it even includes a randomizing function) and then use some
>export function. In that dialog you will be able to set the number (and
>notes) of the keys you want to be exported and name the exported file
>properly. Folliwing the number of keys you assigned, it will then render
>some wavefiles with appropriate note number additions (such as
>"FM7_FatPad_C0) which the EXS could then automap properly.
>Of course, if you need looped samples, you will still have to do that
>yourself, either straight in the EXS or in some proper audio editor, but if
>you set the threshold to a high value, this might eventually not be
>required - sure, the files are getting larger, but in times of large HDDs
>one could just ignore that.
>
>The nice thing about "Chainer" is that you can actually run a layer of VST
>instruments in combination with all sorts of VST effects and then render
>everything down.
>In case you have a multiclient soundcard or an additional card for MME
>purposes only, you can even keep Logic and "Chainer" opened simultaneously.
>
>Just give it a try:
>www.xlutop.com
>(the demo won't save any presets, but the export function will work just
>nicely)
>
>Regards,
>Sascha
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [exs] Re: [LUG] [GEN] EXS Sampling

2002-11-29 by Nassau

> From: Bacizone <bacizone@...>
> 
> so the best is still to use the full automatic sampling capabilites of the
> E-MU Ultra sampers..
> 

whoa... tell me more about that one plz!
/nassau

Re: [exs] Re: [LUG] [GEN] EXS Sampling

2002-11-29 by Bacizone

Check the "E-MU Automatic Sampling" on the Download section of our website.
Complete with PDF documentation.

Address: www.zoolabmusic.com

bye,
ItaB

> > From: Bacizone <bacizone@...>
> >
> > so the best is still to use the full automatic sampling capabilites of the
> > E-MU Ultra sampers..
> >
>
>whoa... tell me more about that one plz!
>/nassau
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
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 > z o o l a b <  ItaB
Experimental melodic trance
www.zoolabmusic.com

Re: [exs] Re: [LUG] [GEN] EXS Sampling

2002-11-29 by Darcy Phillips

After receiving my Platinum 4 -> 5 upgrade and studying the contents, I've
come to the conclusion that, while I have 84 days to use EXS24 for free, I
am without the benefit of a manual of any kind. I've only spent a half hour
with it, and I already find myself reaching for the manual to answer
questions about it's basic functioning.

Guess I can't complain too much, but it seems an odd detail to withhold,
when I have complete access to the software otherwise. Maybe... might there
be a pdf file somewhere?

Thanks all! Darcy

[exs] EXS24 Manual?

2002-11-29 by Darcy Phillips

I'll try this post again with the right subject heading...

After receiving my Platinum 4 -> 5 upgrade and studying the contents, I've
come to the conclusion that, while I have 84 days to use EXS24 for free, I
am without the benefit of a manual of any kind. I've only spent a half hour
with it, and I already find myself reaching for the manual to answer
questions about it's basic functioning.

Guess I can't complain too much, but it seems an odd detail to withhold,
when I have complete access to the software otherwise. Maybe... might there
be a pdf file somewhere?

Thanks all! Darcy 



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RE: [exs] EXS24 Manual?

2002-11-29 by Helge Gudmundsen

Darcy wrote:

> Guess I can't complain too much, but it seems an odd detail 
> to withhold, when I have complete access to the software 
> otherwise. Maybe... might there be a pdf file somewhere?

In the Help-menu of Logic you have an option called EXS24 Help, which
opens a help file for the plug-in. This gives an overview of all
settings and controls, and should give you a good background to help you
decide if it's any good or not.

If you upgrade your platinum5 to 5.5 (from emagics website), a pdf-file
detailing the new features of EXS24mkII is included.

Cheers,
helge

Re: [exs] EXS24 Manual?

2002-12-02 by Darcy Phillips

Paul, 

Thank you for the manual pdf! Very helpful.

Helge, 

Thanks for the tip on the help file. Didn't think of that!

Darcy

on 11/29/02 12:11 PM, Helge Gudmundsen at helge@... wrote:

Darcy wrote:

> Guess I can't complain too much, but it seems an odd detail
> to withhold, when I have complete access to the software
> otherwise. Maybe... might there be a pdf file somewhere?

In the Help-menu of Logic you have an option called EXS24 Help, which
opens a help file for the plug-in. This gives an overview of all
settings and controls, and should give you a good background to help you
decide if it's any good or not.

If you upgrade your platinum5 to 5.5 (from emagics website), a pdf-file
detailing the new features of EXS24mkII is included.

Cheers,
helge


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