EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

teddybut wrote:

>
> Phatmatik Pro will do that in version 1.1 (soon? to be released)

Yes, but it's not here yet.

>
> you could always open Recycle and audition with it's file/open command.

Or just audition from Logic's own add audio file window. It's the simplest way.


--
Eli Krantzberg
Nightshift Orchestra / Almat Productions
http://www.nightshiftorchestra.com

Not too long ago a fellow-producer pointed me to Stylus and I've 
just read a thread about it extending into a debate about 
Phatmatik. I saw the Stylus demo-video and downloaded the 
PhatmatikPro demo.
Now what strikes me here is that eventhough an instrument like 
Stylus seems to come bundled with an extreme amount of loops 
and sounds to work with, which is great offcourse, again 
somebody has found a way to make some serious Do off of 
people not able to come up with their own creations from 
scratch...
"whaddayamean O.?"
Well, in the demo-video of Stylus it's presented as an incredibly 
powerfull thing, which I'm sure it is, but what in the WORLD has 
a gadget such as this one (and the obvious tons of clones to 
follow) have to offer that is actually new??? Isn't this a simplyfied 
way of mangling loops till they fit nicely and make up a new one?

Well then...
...excuse me for asking, but isn't that what a lot of us have been 
doing allready for years? Are Spectrasonics not just offering a 
slick-interfaced Recycle-clone here? Where'd they find the guts 
to actually go out and tell the world they've done an amazing 
discovery...?

Personaly I've been using Recycle eversince version 1.0 and I 
doubt it's ever going to leave my Mac, but isn't this sort of a 
'Preset-Recycle'...?
Oh well, at least the price is pretty tight, 3gig's worth of sample 
material is always an excuse to go for it anyway.

Just had to get this off my chest:)
Happy Stylussing,
O.

Howdy,

The Groove Control™ system in Stylus works off the same 
"slicing" principle as ReCycle, but the quality of Groove Control is 
much higher and more reliable than only ReCycle can do. The 
reason is because we use a lot of special techniques to create 
seamless slices, including some special tools and a lot of 
experience and painstaking work to create these GC files.

With something like ReCycke, you can get good results 
sometimes, but not always...and it can be a huge amount of 
work. Grove Control products have been around for a few years 
now too, and were available in stereo a couple of years before 
ReCycle 2 came out.

So Groove Control products like Stylus are "pre-sliced" yes....but 
they are also a great deal higher in quality and flexibility because 
of the way that we create the Groove Control files. The result is 
better than any other slicing method because you can 
seamlessly slow down the grooves by quite a bit more than the 
average REX file. (This is also a big difference compared to 
Phatmatic Pro, which is a great product, but currently cannot 
slow down a groove without gaps).

The video states that Stylus is the world's first Groove Control 
virtual instrument....that's all. The integration of the Stylus 
software engine, with all the GC files offers some unique 
capabilities, including the ability to completely transform each 
slice independantly...which is pretty cool. Also, you'll see the 
integration of the software and samples in Stylus do some really 
new stuff in 2003...since we have our own software instrument 
now, we can make it do all kinds of new things in the future, that 
will further separate it from what the traditional REX method has 
offered in the past. 

I'm the first to say that we didn't invent the "slicing" idea...credit for =

that should go to the props.....with Groove Control, we just 
figured out how to make that idea a lot better, and will continue to 
develop it more and more in the future!

Hope that clarifies the origins of Stylus and Groove Control. I 
don't think we ever said "revolutionary"....but I'm sure some 
Stylus users have said so....

Happy New year!

EP from Spectrasonics

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "darealbasoski 
<mail@o...>" <mail@o...> wrote:
> in the demo-video of Stylus it's presented as an incredibly 
> powerfull thing, which I'm sure it is, but what in the WORLD 
has 
> a gadget such as this one (and the obvious tons of clones to 
> follow) have to offer that is actually new??? Isn't this a 
simplyfied 
> way of mangling loops till they fit nicely and make up a new 
one?

> 
> Well then...
> ...excuse me for asking, but isn't that what a lot of us have been 
> doing allready for years? Are Spectrasonics not just offering a 
> slick-interfaced Recycle-clone here? Where'd they find the guts 
> to actually go out and tell the world they've done an amazing 
> discovery...?
> 
> Personaly I've been using Recycle eversince version 1.0 and I 
> doubt it's ever going to leave my Mac, but isn't this sort of a 
> 'Preset-Recycle'...?
> Oh well, at least the price is pretty tight, 3gig's worth of sample 
> material is always an excuse to go for it anyway.
> 
> Just had to get this off my chest:)
> Happy Stylussing,
> O.

Hi Eric and happy new year! sounds like you guys have crazy stuff up your
sleeves for 2003...

my questions about stylus are:
can I chop my own loops in there? if not now, is that coming in the future?
if not, can I load rex2 files?
If not, is there a stand alone app, like recycle that will chop and output
groove control files? (special tools???)

Since I've been using recycle for like, forever, I am experienced enough to
chop my own loops and if I bought Stylus I'd like to use it like that mainly
as half the fun of inventing a new sound for a record (for me at least) is
recording and chopping my own sounds.

thanks,
Teddy Kumpel

> the quality of Groove Control is
> much higher and more reliable than only ReCycle can do. The
> reason is because we use a lot of special techniques to create
> seamless slices, including some special tools and a lot of
> experience and painstaking work to create these GC files.
> 
> With something like ReCycke, you can get good results
> sometimes, but not always...and it can be a huge amount of
> work. Grove Control products have been around for a few years
> now too, and were available in stereo a couple of years before
> ReCycle 2 came out.
> 
> So Groove Control products like Stylus are "pre-sliced" yes....but
> they are also a great deal higher in quality and flexibility because
> of the way that we create the Groove Control files. The result is
> better than any other slicing method because you can
> seamlessly slow down the grooves by quite a bit more than the
> average REX file. (This is also a big difference compared to
> Phatmatic Pro, which is a great product, but currently cannot
> slow down a groove without gaps).
> 
> Also, you'll see the
> integration of the software and samples in Stylus do some really
> new stuff in 2003...since we have our own software instrument
> now, we can make it do all kinds of new things in the future, that
> will further separate it from what the traditional REX method has
> offered in the past.
>
> Happy New year!
> 
> EP from Spectrasonics

> Hey Teddy...sounds like you'd love Phatmatik Pro...right up your alley. No
> single app is really like Groove Control, but the immediacy and interaction of
> Phatmatik is terrific if you like to "slice your own" .....highly recommended.
> 
> -EP

Hi back, Eric.

Well, you're right! In fact I am beta testing Art's new Phat 1.1 as we
speak. I was just interested in Stylus' operation and possibilities in that
way. Stylus-curious, if you will. I guess I don't ALWAYS have to chop my own
and Stylus would probably be a wonderful addition to my sampler collection.
I should check it out either way.

For now I use/own Recycle! most of the time, waiting for Phat to become
stable (it will be very cool once I can load a loop with confidence that I
won't crash), and I use/own the EXS24 (which we all know and love)... I
think the way EXS handles REX loops is genius.

Teddybut