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Diving in head first! DP to Logic 6 and EXS24

Diving in head first! DP to Logic 6 and EXS24

2003-03-04 by Mike Newman

Ok I decided to come over to Logic and I'm not just sticking my toe in the water, I'm diving in head first!  I just purchased Logic 5.5 (ordered upgrade to Logic 6) and all the Synths (EXS24, ES2, EVB3, EVD6, and EVP88) and have my order in for the VSL library for EXS24. For Logic 6 I've ordered a new G4 1.42 Ghz with two GIG of RAM and two 20" Cinema Displays.  By the time my G4 arrives Logic 6 should be in my hands so I'll just wait to install Logic 6 and run it all in OSX.  I have a couple questions for you experienced Logic users.

- The manual set-up with Logic 5.5 (Logic 4 manual and three Logic 5 addendum) isn't making the switch over overly easy. It seems odd to read a version 4.0 manual when I'll be using version 6 within the next few weeks. 
--- Any recommendations on how to use the manuals and addendum (should I read the 3 year old 4.0 manual)? 
--- Should I just focus on the version 5 addendum and wait for the Logic 6 manual to be released? 
--- Any word on when the Logic 6 manual will be released?
--- Any "highly" recommended Logic books/videos?

- What would you recommend for the optimum audio and EXS24 mk II hard drive set-up with the G4 1.42 GIG? It has an ATA 100 bus (master/slave) and ATA 66 bus (master/slave) and comes with one 120GIG 7200 RPM drive on the AT 100 bus.
--- Would EXS24 get better disk streaming performance from another ATA 100 drive (slave) on the ATA 100 bus or an ATA 100 or 66 on the ATA 66 bus (Master)?
--- Does an 8 meg cache make a big difference over a 2 meg cache when it comes to audio and disk streaming?
--- Which ATA bus for audio? for disk streaming?

Thanks 
Mike

Re: [exs] Diving in head first! DP to Logic 6 and EXS24

2003-03-04 by Tom Harrer

Hi Mike

Sounds like you're going to have a pretty damn good setup. I can't  
answer all your q's, but here's a few suggestions:
1. Try the help that is installed with Logic 6, it does cover a fair  
amount.
2. I would assume that your mac will come with the dvdr drive installed  
on the ATA 66 bus, so I would install the additional drive as a slave  
(or swap them if you're getting something better that the stock model)  
on the ATA 100 bus. Put OSX on one drive and have all the audio stuff  
on the other drive (as usual).
3. Look for some testing data on the net about the 8 meg cache drives  
to see if it makes a lot of difference (then again they don't cost that  
much more and it can't be a bad thing really).
4. Maybe this has changed with v6 but in 5.5 my EXS performance is  
halved UNLESS I have 32 bit sample storage on and vsm disabled.

Regards
Tom
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On Tuesday, Mar 4, 2003, at 13:05 Australia/South, Mike Newman wrote:

> Ok I decided to come over to Logic and I'm not just sticking my toe in  
> the water, I'm diving in head first!  I just purchased Logic 5.5  
> (ordered upgrade to Logic 6) and all the Synths (EXS24, ES2, EVB3,  
> EVD6, and EVP88) and have my order in for the VSL library for EXS24.  
> For Logic 6 I've ordered a new G4 1.42 Ghz with two GIG of RAM and two  
> 20" Cinema Displays.  By the time my G4 arrives Logic 6 should be in  
> my hands so I'll just wait to install Logic 6 and run it all in OSX.   
> I have a couple questions for you experienced Logic users.
>
> - The manual set-up with Logic 5.5 (Logic 4 manual and three Logic 5  
> addendum) isn't making the switch over overly easy. It seems odd to  
> read a version 4.0 manual when I'll be using version 6 within the next  
> few weeks.
> --- Any recommendations on how to use the manuals and addendum (should  
> I read the 3 year old 4.0 manual)?
> --- Should I just focus on the version 5 addendum and wait for the  
> Logic 6 manual to be released?
> --- Any word on when the Logic 6 manual will be released?
> --- Any "highly" recommended Logic books/videos?
>
> - What would you recommend for the optimum audio and EXS24 mk II hard  
> drive set-up with the G4 1.42 GIG? It has an ATA 100 bus  
> (master/slave) and ATA 66 bus (master/slave) and comes with one 120GIG  
> 7200 RPM drive on the AT 100 bus.
> --- Would EXS24 get better disk streaming performance from another ATA  
> 100 drive (slave) on the ATA 100 bus or an ATA 100 or 66 on the ATA 66  
> bus (Master)?
> --- Does an 8 meg cache make a big difference over a 2 meg cache when  
> it comes to audio and disk streaming?
> --- Which ATA bus for audio? for disk streaming?
>
> Thanks
> Mike
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Re: [exs] Diving in head first! DP to Logic 6 and EXS24

2003-03-04 by Murray McDowall

newnew777@... wrote: 

>
> --- Would EXS24 get better disk streaming performance from another ATA 100
> drive (slave) on the ATA 100 bus or an ATA 100 or 66 on the ATA 66 bus
> (Master)?
> --- Does an 8 meg cache make a big difference over a 2 meg cache when it
> comes to audio and disk streaming?
> --- Which ATA bus for audio? for disk streaming?


There don't seem to be any benchmarks dedicated to these applications -- we
have to rely on reports of informal tests from other users - eg how many
sustained voices you can stream from a drive simultaneously. 

If you want some more general benchmarking of ATA and SCSI drive performance
try the Storage Review site. They report measurements of heat and noise
generated,  sustained read/write and access times for all the drives they test
and all of these are very relevant to DAW performance. 

http://www.storagereview.com/

Regards,
Murray

Re: [exs] Diving in head first! DP to Logic 6 and EXS24

2003-03-04 by Pev

--- Mike Newman <newnew777@...> wrote: 
> Ok I decided to come over to Logic and I'm not just sticking my toe in the
> water, I'm diving in head first!  I just purchased Logic 5.5 (ordered
> upgrade to Logic 6) and all the Synths (EXS24, ES2, EVB3, EVD6, and EVP88)
> and have my order in for the VSL library for EXS24. For Logic 6 I've
> ordered a new G4 1.42 Ghz with two GIG of RAM and two 20" Cinema Displays. 
Yow! I wish I had that much pocket money! ;-)

> --- Any recommendations on how to use the manuals and addendum (should I
> read the 3 year old 4.0 manual)? 
The Whilst 5/6 is different, theres still mostly common ground. Just ignore
all the V4 automation details and read up on the v5 TBA stuff in the
addendum. 

> --- Should I just focus on the version 5 addendum and wait for the Logic 6
> manual to be released? 
I'd just get cracking with the v4/5 mans. They're pretty comprehensive, and
most of the v6 stuff is new features, not changes to existing ones so it's
not a case of re-learning anything.

> --- Any word on when the Logic 6 manual will be released?
Not sure. If I find out soon I'll post/email you and let you know though!

> --- Any "highly" recommended Logic books/videos?
Not especially. Given that you're an existing DAW user, most of the concepts
should come fairly naturally. I would consider subscribing to the logic-users
list (but I would say that!) but be aware that its high traffic, so digests
are recommended!
 
> - What would you recommend for the optimum audio and EXS24 mk II hard drive
> set-up with the G4 1.42 GIG? It has an ATA 100 bus (master/slave) and ATA
> 66 bus (master/slave) and comes with one 120GIG 7200 RPM drive on the AT
> 100 bus.
As usual you'll always get the best performance if you relegate the system
and sway space to one physical hard drive, and access audio from a second
physical drive. The faster the drives, the better.

> --- Would EXS24 get better disk streaming performance from another ATA 100
> drive (slave) on the ATA 100 bus or an ATA 100 or 66 on the ATA 66 bus
> (Master)?
Its not a case of whether its master or slave, but a case of is it sharing
that bus with a second device. IDE devices can only access the bus one at a
time, so in theory, giving the audio drive its own ATA66 bus should be better
than slaving it to the system drive on an ATA100 bus. However, given that you
have 2G RAM, swap space usage *should* be negligible, and during a session,
access to the system drive should be minimal, so putting it on the same
ATA100 bus should let it make use of the extra bus bandwidth. Personally, my
set up is that I have the system drive on the ATA66 bus all by itself as the
drive itself cant saturate the bus, transfer-wise. I then have my audio drive
on an ATA100 bus by itself. YMMV though. I'd recommend reading an article on
IDE drive use/setup from somewhere like Toms Hardware or Anandtech though -
it equally applies to Macs as well as PC's and should help you make your own
mind up. Don't take my word for it!

> --- Does an 8 meg cache make a big difference over a 2 meg cache when it
> comes to audio and disk streaming?
Yes, it does :-)

> --- Which ATA bus for audio? for disk streaming?
Not sure what you mean there in the context of the above.

Hope that helps a little,

~Pev

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Re: [exs] Diving in head first! DP to Logic 6 and EXS24

2003-03-04 by Pev

--- Mike Newman <newnew777@...> wrote: 
> --- Any word on when the Logic 6 manual will be released?
I just checked and it's "in the works"! So I'd translate this as ASAP but no
deadine date. I'm sure yuo'll find the v4 + v5 & v6 addendums ok though. It
shouldnt be too confusing (having read them myself!)

If you get stuck, feel free to email me or the logic-users list. I fear its a
little offtopic for the exs list though.

Best Wishes,

Dave Peverley

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