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Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by teddybut

Yes, more sample accurate is better, ok??? only in so far as it allows for
more precise rendering of musical intention. blablabla we all know that
already.

I have experienced and appreciate Academia, but I find Nick's statement
childish. "Timing is _the_ carrier of musical emotion". That sounds like a
bunch of over thinking music teachers sitting around getting paid to think
up definitive statements to rationalize why no one dances at their concerts.
There is a difference between thoughtful and anal-retentive, Nick.

If a performer makes you feel something through their performance, there is
emotion in their music... *for you*. For someone else it might not be the
same. I think it is subjective and there is no standard of what makes
emotion in music. It is up to the individual musician to find their way of
how to convey their particular emotion and then up to the listener to decide
if they dig it or not. "But what about an undeniable performance?" you might
ask... In your circle of friends it might be undeniable, but I can guarantee
you'll always be able to find someone who doesn't feel it.

If I had to come up with some standards for any musician to have the BEST
chance to communicate emotion in their music, they would be:
1) spiritual connection to the universal music force, i.e. letting go
2) honestly and unaffectedly being true to their self, i.e. not being fake
3) great compositional skills, i.e. they did their homework

for me those things are the most important things to shoot for no matter
what kind of music you are making.

And then there's LYRICS... to me, most people react to lyrics and how
they're married to the other obvious musical elements. I guess The
Netherlands doesn't have lyrics? OR??

What the hell this has to do with the EXS24 I'll never know. but you arguing
Dutch Gentlemen have got it all too intellectual from where I sit.
Intellectualizing music is fine (necessary?) for learning how to play, but
it is hardly ever helpful in getting musicians to learn how to feel.

By the way... I get paid to perform, not teach or explain or talk. I am,
however, available for lectures in the Netherlands to enlighten the cold,
sad music teachers who have been teaching music backwards for centuries and
feel the need to clog internet lists with their own irrelevant opinions. I
am however, not inexpensive.

teddybut

Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by Nick Mulder

On Sunday, Mar 9, 2003, at 21:43 Europe/Amsterdam, teddybut wrote:

> Yes, more sample accurate is better, ok??? only in so far as it allows 
> for
> more precise rendering of musical intention. blablabla we all know that
> already.

Not all of us.

> I have experienced and appreciate Academia, but I find Nick's statement
> childish. "Timing is _the_ carrier of musical emotion". That sounds 
> like a
> bunch of over thinking music teachers sitting around getting paid to 
> think
> up definitive statements to rationalize why no one dances at their 
> concerts.
> There is a difference between thoughtful and anal-retentive, Nick.

Damn, there goes the foundation of my world..

And I'm *not* an academic.

> If a performer makes you feel something through their performance, 
> there is
> emotion in their music... *for you*.

Ow, just for me? Oh really? Ow, how nice!! (butterflies, flowers, 
puppies in slowmotion)

> For someone else it might not be the
> same.

okokok, its this: You couple a period of your life to a certain kind of 
music that will envoke the emotional state in which you lived in that 
period.

Hearing the Doors makes me giggle for instance. Hearing Prince makes me 
going through puberty again.=)

> I think it is subjective and there is no standard of what makes
> emotion in music.

Erm, well, I did enough damage for today, so maybe later we...?

> It is up to the individual musician to find their way of
> how to convey their particular emotion and then up to the listener to 
> decide
> if they dig it or not. "But what about an undeniable performance?" you 
> might
> ask... In your circle of friends it might be undeniable, but I can 
> guarantee
> you'll always be able to find someone who doesn't feel it.
>
> If I had to come up with some standards for any musician to have the 
> BEST
> chance to communicate emotion in their music, they would be:
> 1) spiritual connection to the universal music force, i.e. letting go
> 2) honestly and unaffectedly being true to their self, i.e. not being 
> fake
> 3) great compositional skills, i.e. they did their homework
>
> for me those things are the most important things to shoot for no 
> matter
> what kind of music you are making.
>
> And then there's LYRICS... to me, most people react to lyrics and how
> they're married to the other obvious musical elements. I guess The
> Netherlands doesn't have lyrics? OR??
>
> What the hell this has to do with the EXS24 I'll never know.

It was about its tight timing... Compared to hardware samplers.. Thus 
beeing more able to faithfully reproduce an artist's intention..

In the old past, a guy named Paul wanted to know..

> but you arguing
> Dutch Gentlemen have got it all too intellectual from where I sit.
> Intellectualizing music is fine (necessary?) for learning how to play, 
> but
> it is hardly ever helpful in getting musicians to learn how to feel.

It gives some insight in how other people (composers) felt and 
translated that into music.

> By the way... I get paid to perform, not teach or explain or talk.

Whohoo! a freebee!

> I am,
> however, available for lectures in the Netherlands to enlighten the 
> cold,
> sad music teachers who have been teaching music backwards for 
> centuries and
> feel the need to clog internet lists with their own irrelevant 
> opinions. I
> am however, not inexpensive.

But you have such a cute name. It will do wonders on billboards around 
my school.

>
> teddybut
>
>




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Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by Colin Miller

I think a more appropriate subject line would be ' Dueling Dutchmen'

Any ways, I think we all agree the thread should be dead. ;-)

Colin Miller

Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by Jer Olsen

"Et tu Teddybut?" [Caesar falls to the floor and dies.]

Yes, more sample accurate is better...


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Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by Jer Olsen

Here, here!

> Any ways, I think we all agree the thread should be dead. ;-)




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Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by Nick Mulder

On Sunday, Mar 9, 2003, at 22:01 Europe/Amsterdam, Colin Miller wrote:

> I think a more appropriate subject line would be ' Dueling Dutchmen'
>
> Any ways, I think we all agree the thread should be dead. ;-)
>
> Colin Miller
>

In which I have to add; Anyone who feels this urge to point stuff out 
to me concerning this thread on this list will be mailed back privatly.

Even I think I'm becoming silly.

And I do have lo standards.

NM


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[exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by kumpy105

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Jer Olsen <HELP@M...> 
wrote:
> "Et tu Teddybut?" [Caesar falls to the floor and dies.]
> 

oooh, you are so melodramtic...

yes, I too have succumbed to the effort to silence the academic 
oblivion of Nick Mulder. Sorry... I couldn't help myself.

teddybut

Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-09 by Nick Mulder

On Monday, Mar 10, 2003, at 00:11 Europe/Amsterdam, kumpy105 wrote:

> --- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Jer Olsen <HELP@M...>
> wrote:
> > "Et tu Teddybut?" [Caesar falls to the floor and dies.]
> >
>
> oooh, you are so melodramtic...
>
> yes, I too have succumbed to the effort to silence the academic
> oblivion of Nick Mulder. Sorry... I couldn't help myself.

Now there's a motto.

=)


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Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-10 by Patrick Hall

I just love the phrase "Et tu Teddybut?"

That was the best part of this whole stupid thread!

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and sound comes out the other end and 
disrupts the cosmos."

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Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-10 by Eli Krantzberg

Patrick Hall wrote:

> I just love the phrase "Et tu Teddybut?"
>
> That was the best part of this whole stupid thread!
>

That and Nick's drippingly sarcastic "woohoo a freebie" response to Teddybut claiming he was not a teacher...


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Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-10 by Jer Olsen

Thank you (LOL)! [Jer takes a bow]

> I just love the phrase "Et tu Teddybut?"




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[exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-10 by kumpy105

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Jer Olsen <HELP@M...> 
wrote:
> Thank you (LOL)! [Jer takes a bow]
> 
> > I just love the phrase "Et tu Teddybut?"
> 

at least someone got something positive out of that damn 
retarded discussion.

teddybut

Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-10 by Oblivian | Bacteria AS

From: "kumpy105" <teddybut@...>

> at least someone got something positive out of that damn
> retarded discussion.

I, on the other hand, love heated discussions, even though they are indeed
retarded! That's what we retards do...

Like our dear and beloved sucker George W. Bush said the other day, "What I
hate most about the French is that they don't even have a word for
entrepreneurs..." LOL! Sigh... what a monkey.

Obi

Re: [exs] Re: arguing Dutch Gentlemen

2003-03-10 by Jer Olsen

Oh lovely! What an idiot! LOL!!

> Like our dear and beloved sucker George W. Bush said the other day, "What I
> hate most about the French is that they don't even have a word for
> entrepreneurs..." LOL! Sigh... what a monkey.




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