EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I'm trying to reproduce an effect I had on my old and trusty EMU E4 
which worked a treat for getting realistic drum and string staccato 
samples.
Basically you had a number of different versions for the same note 
(staccato var 1, staccato var 2), each assigned to a different 
group. Then, in the modulation page you could setup a random lfo or 
random trigger that would randomly choose between the groups you 
assigned everytime you hit the same note. Since it did this on a per 
note basis, the same chord played  number of times would always 
sound different and hence, more realistic.

I've tried to reproduce this in the EXSmk2, but to no avail.
What I've tried so far:
-set up a number of samples assigned to different groups
-use a random lfo to modulate the destination: sample select

although it does seem to switch randomly, it does so while the 
sample is playing, giving weird and unusable effects.
I need to find a way to only have it randomly choose a group on the 
start of a note (or more exactly, the triggering of a note) and not 
*while* it is playing.
Anyone got any ideas of how to achieve this?

Cheers,

Joris

jorisdeman wrote:
> I'm trying to reproduce an effect I had on my old and trusty EMU E4 
> which worked a treat for getting realistic drum and string staccato 
> samples.
[snip]
> Anyone got any ideas of how to achieve this?


You could try using random notes.

At http://www.omega-art.com/logic/index.html#rndnotes there's a Logic 
environment macro that can do this for you, courtesy of Hendrik Jan 
Veenstra.


HTH,   Bill Canty

On a fine day, 11-07-2003, Bill Canty wrote:

>jorisdeman wrote:
>>  I'm trying to reproduce an effect I had on my old and trusty EMU E4
>>  which worked a treat for getting realistic drum and string staccato
>>  samples.
>[snip]
>>  Anyone got any ideas of how to achieve this?
>
>
>You could try using random notes.
>
>At http://www.omega-art.com/logic/index.html#rndnotes there's a Logic
>environment macro that can do this for you, courtesy of Hendrik Jan
>Veenstra.

Or (at the same page) use the rndcc patch to generate a random-valued 
controller event, and have the controller set up to do the 'sample 
select' in the EXS.  RndCC was more or less specificaly created for 
this purpose.  The advantage (in this case) over RndNotes is that you 
can layer multiple variations of a note on the same key instead of 
having to spread them across the keyboard (which is less intuitive). 
It's at http://www.omega-art.com/logic/index.html#rndcc

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Thanks, I'll give that a shot!
It seems weird though, that given the new flexible modulation 
options, the exs can't do this on its own.
I'm guessing the addition of a 'note on' or 'note off' controller 
could solve this..you would get something like this:
random lfo->via note on->sample select

(just pointing this out in case somebody from emagic reads this 
thread:)

Cheers for your replies,

Kind regards,

Joris