EXS 24 Logic Sampler Users Group

I'm not impressed of the demo of the EVP88 on the Emagic-site. 
Especially not the dynamics. 
Maybe it's just the (mp3) demo..... 

What do you recommend?
Buy the EVP 88 or buy a sample CD of a Fender Rhodes piano for my EXS24.

Rob

Hi,

On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 07:26 PM, robcatlender wrote:

> What do you recommend?
> Buy the EVP 88 or buy a sample CD of a Fender Rhodes piano for my 
> EXS24.

Buy the EVP88.



Yavuz AKYAZICI
Guitar Player
http://yavuz.dhs.org
____________________
Logic Setup
____________________
Powerbook G4 1Ghz, 1G RAM
MOTU 896
Logic Control
MIDIMAN USB 2X2
Logic Platinum
EXS24
EVB3
EVP88
EVD6
Kontakt
Sample Tank XL
PSP 84 & 42
CDXtracxt 

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On 8/5/03 12:36 AM, "YAVUZ AKYAZICI" <yavuz1@...> wrote:
 
> Yavuz AKYAZICI
> Guitar Player
> http://yavuz.dhs.org
> ____________________
> Logic Setup
> ____________________
> Powerbook G4 1Ghz, 1G RAM
> MOTU 896
> Logic Control
> MIDIMAN USB 2X2
> Logic Platinum
> EXS24
> EVB3
> EVP88
> EVD6
> Kontakt
> Sample Tank XL
> PSP 84 & 42
> CDXtracxt 

hey Yavuz - 

I noticed that in your setup you own both EXS24 and Kontakt. As someone
deciding on switching from DP to Logic primarily for softsynth integration,
can you explain why you felt you needed to purchase Kontakt in addition to
EXS24? Is the EXS24 not everything it's cracked up to be?

In a related matter, is anyone here considering MachFive to
replace/supplement EXS24? If so, I'd be curious to know why.

many thanks in advance,
brian

I got the Scarbee Rhodes sample. It is humungous and ram eating but a  
wicked sample.

simon

On Monday, August 4, 2003, at 04:26 PM, robcatlender wrote:

> I'm not impressed of the demo of the EVP88 on the Emagic-site.
> Especially not the dynamics.
> Maybe it's just the (mp3) demo.....
>
> What do you recommend?
> Buy the EVP 88 or buy a sample CD of a Fender Rhodes piano for my  
> EXS24.
>
> Rob
>
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>I'm not impressed of the demo of the EVP88 on the Emagic-site. 
>Especially not the dynamics. 
>Maybe it's just the (mp3) demo..... 
>
>What do you recommend?
>Buy the EVP 88 or buy a sample CD of a Fender Rhodes piano for my EXS24.

Being one of those screwed PC users I'm slowly moving to Cubase
(it's actually better then it used to be but my working style is
so adjusted to using Logic...).

My EVP88 is one of the few things I have not yet found a replacement
for. If only Emagic would release a VST Version of it...

Best,
Michael
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Michael Gerdau [mailto:mgd@...] wrote:
Being one of those screwed PC users I'm slowly moving to Cubase (it's
actually better then it used to be but my working style is so adjusted
to using Logic...). My EVP88 is one of the few things I have not yet
found a replacement for. If only Emagic would release a VST Version of
it...


You don't like Lounge Lizard to much then? The new V2 is supposed to be
more smooth (and easier on cpu) then the first, which I've got and find
a little harsh.

Herbert Boland
(Pc user)

>You don't like Lounge Lizard to much then?

Being quite happy with my EVP88 I had stopped looking for e-pianos
and thus wasn't even aware Lounge Lizard exists...

>The new V2 is supposed to be more smooth (and easier on cpu) then
>the first, which I've got and find a little harsh.

At first glance it seems worth a try.

Is there a demoversion available somewhere ?
I have not been able to find one on the cakewalk site.

Or has anybody tried a comparison between the two and would share
his/her findings ?

Thank you, best,
Michael
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Michael Gerdau [mailto:mgd@...] 
>Being quite happy with my EVP88 I had stopped looking for e-pianos and
thus wasn't even aware Lounge Lizard exists... At first glance it seems
worth a try. Is there a demoversion available somewhere ?

Not to my knowledge. But you can find some users reviews if you google
around a little. They are favourable in general, although the first
edition didn't sound too clean imo. 

Herbert Boland
www.zepmusic.com

Magnetica was recommended to me. It pales in comparison to the EVP88. EVP is
the best rhodes I've heard. Plus you get many different electric pianos,
wurlitzer etc.
Peace.
-- 

> From: "robcatlender" <rob.catlender@...>
> Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:26:53 -0000
> To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [EXS] [LAM] EVP88 or a sample CD of a Rhodes piano?
> 
> I'm not impressed of the demo of the EVP88 on the Emagic-site.
> Especially not the dynamics.
> Maybe it's just the (mp3) demo.....
> 
> What do you recommend?
> Buy the EVP 88 or buy a sample CD of a Fender Rhodes piano for my EXS24.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Mach Five,

This was posted by Ed Hamilton on the Northern Sounds Forum last night:

"I would love to be posting an in depth review of Mach 5.
Instead this is a WARNING!!!

Mach 5 uses a dongle.
Huge drag. Like we needed one more in our lives.

So I install Mach 5. All goes seemingly well.

I go to launch Logic. At first everything seemed fine but no midi would get 
routed to mach 5.
If you click on the picture of the keyboard on its main page it played 
perfectly, but no midi.

I restart my Mac.

The Mach 5 uses a program called interlock for the dongle.

The installation of Mach 5s dongle CONFLICTS with MY PROTOOLS ILOCK.
Completely. Kaput.
I lost all my plug in authorizations.
3 hours and I can't get them back nor can I figure out what the heck happened.

ALL OF THEM. Done. gone.
It will take me days to get this fixed.

I am infuriated beyond belief.

Be very carefull. "

Yikes!

Ned


http://www.nedfx.com

       Ned Bouhalassa

n e d @ n e d f x . c o m

Thanks for your replies, guys.

I've been lookin around and found the site with lots of samples.
Not bad.
One problem. You only made my choise more difficult.....

I'm afraid you have to copy this link:

http://www.applied-acoustics.com/loungelizard.htm


Rob

I think the Wurlitzer on Magnetica sounds more like the real thing than the
EVP-model.
The simple version that comes on the EXS24 bonus cd-rom is even more
realistic than the EVP-model.
But that's just about the Wurlitzer (that i've always been a fan of),
nothing about the Rhodes.

Eppo Schaap
Galbatron Epic Symphonic Electronica
www.galbatron.com
music: www.mp3.com/galbatron

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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [EXS] [LAM] EVP88 or a sample CD of a Rhodes piano?


> Magnetica was recommended to me. It pales in comparison to the EVP88. EVP
is
> the best rhodes I've heard. Plus you get many different electric pianos,
> wurlitzer etc.
> Peace.
> --
>
>
> > From: "robcatlender" <rob.catlender@...>
> > Reply-To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 23:26:53 -0000
> > To: exs-users@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [EXS] [LAM] EVP88 or a sample CD of a Rhodes piano?
> >
> > I'm not impressed of the demo of the EVP88 on the Emagic-site.
> > Especially not the dynamics.
> > Maybe it's just the (mp3) demo.....
> >
> > What do you recommend?
> > Buy the EVP 88 or buy a sample CD of a Fender Rhodes piano for my EXS24.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I am a Wurlitzer player from way back, as well as the Rhodes.  Still own
them both, tho they are both in storage at the moment.  I fell the they
really got it right with the EVP 88 as far as the Rhodes goes.  But the
Wurlitzer just isn't right. It really sounds like a variation of the
Rhodes.  The attitude and bite of the original are just not there. That
being said, all the are of really high quality.

	Gary Pozner	
	www.whirledmusic.com

just listen to the demos and there's no way you could prefer the EVP 
over this, at least as far as sounding authentic....

http://www.scarbee.com/rsp73/index.html

But the greatest disaster for ProTools user:

 >>> digidesign / apple g5 incompatibility issue <<<

http://www.digidesign.com/compato/osx/g5/

and

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/31995.html






>Re: Mach Five,
>
>This was posted by Ed Hamilton on the Northern Sounds Forum last night:
>
>"I would love to be posting an in depth review of Mach 5.
>Instead this is a WARNING!!!
>
>Mach 5 uses a dongle.
>Huge drag. Like we needed one more in our lives.
>
>So I install Mach 5. All goes seemingly well.
>
>I go to launch Logic. At first everything seemed fine but no midi would get
>routed to mach 5.
>If you click on the picture of the keyboard on its main page it played
>perfectly, but no midi.
>
>I restart my Mac.
>
>The Mach 5 uses a program called interlock for the dongle.
>
>The installation of Mach 5s dongle CONFLICTS with MY PROTOOLS ILOCK.
>Completely. Kaput.
>I lost all my plug in authorizations.
>3 hours and I can't get them back nor can I figure out what the heck happened.
>
>ALL OF THEM. Done. gone.
>It will take me days to get this fixed.
>
>I am infuriated beyond belief.
>
>Be very carefull. "
>
>Yikes!
>
>Ned
>
>
>http://www.nedfx.com
>
>        Ned Bouhalassa
>
>n e d @ n e d f x . c o m
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi,

In the end of August I will release Scarbee W.E.P (Wurlitzer 200A)

For Halion, EXS24 mk II, Kontakt and Giga.

16 velocities of all notes + 16 release velocities of each note.
As I did with the Rhodes - Scarbee R.S.P. 73 - the playability of 
the Wurlitzer will be like the real thing.

I love Wurlitzer....

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Pozner" <garypozner@w...> 
wrote:
> I am a Wurlitzer player from way back, as well as the Rhodes.  
Still own
> them both, tho they are both in storage at the moment.  I fell the 
they
> really got it right with the EVP 88 as far as the Rhodes goes.  
But the
> Wurlitzer just isn't right. It really sounds like a variation of 
the
> Rhodes.  The attitude and bite of the original are just not there. 
That

> being said, all the are of really high quality.
> 
> 	Gary Pozner	
> 	www.whirledmusic.com

--- In exs-users@yahoogroups.com, Mike Auty <mailinglist@c...> wrote:
> just listen to the demos and there's no way you could prefer the 
EVP 
> over this, at least as far as sounding authentic....
> 
> http://www.scarbee.com/rsp73/index.html

Thanks Mike!

regards

Thomas Hansen Skarbye
Creative Director
www.scarbee.com

Hi group,

I don't know if this has been documented before but here is a neat trick
I discovered this morning. 

1. In environment: assign EXS to a track. 
2. Load an instrument. 
3. In arrange: enable TBA on this track and pick something to automate,
e.g. filter cutoff.  
4. Now press "+" sign repeatedly on your numeric keyboard: you will see
all the possible automation CC-numbers/names pass by. For that matter
the minus sign decreases the value.
5. Continue until you see "Instrument". This is the fun part: at the
bottom of the parameter pane you'll see the loaded instrument. 
6. Now use your mouse to click, hold and drag to browse and prelisten
all of your instruments! Or automate them...

Btw, I'm on LA Gold 5.5.1 win. Thanks for your thoughts/comments.

(Hendrik Jan: maybe add this to section 18 in the FAQ.)

Herbert 
www.zepmusic.com

Herbert Boland wrote:
> Hi group,
> 
> I don't know if this has been documented before but here is a neat trick
> I discovered this morning. 

Dunno if it's quite the same thing as what you've discovered, but it is 
documented that the last value you changed in the Arrange window can be 
increased and decreased with the + and - keys. Unless they've been 
assigned to something else, that is. Holding shift at the same time 
gives you steps of 10.

> 1. In environment: assign EXS to a track. 
> 2. Load an instrument. 
> 3. In arrange: enable TBA on this track and pick something to automate,
> e.g. filter cutoff.  
> 4. Now press "+" sign repeatedly on your numeric keyboard: you will see
> all the possible automation CC-numbers/names pass by. For that matter
> the minus sign decreases the value.
> 5. Continue until you see "Instrument". This is the fun part: at the
> bottom of the parameter pane you'll see the loaded instrument. 
> 6. Now use your mouse to click, hold and drag to browse and prelisten
> all of your instruments! Or automate them...

Bill Canty [mailto:bill@...] wrote:
Dunno if it's quite the same thing as what you've discovered, but it is 
documented that the last value you changed in the Arrange window can be 
increased and decreased with the + and - keys. 



Bill, no I talked about the parameter itself, not the values! The point
is that the parameter "instrument" is not advertised as something that
can be addressed in TBA. Have a look, I can't find it in the pop-up
lists. But it is actually there, it's more or less hidden and the only
way you can reach is by pressing the + or - sign repeatedly.  

Here is a screenshot of the result: 
http://www.zeppelin.demon.nl/Ztudio/ks/EXS_instrument_in_TBA.gif

> 1. In environment: assign EXS to a track.
> 2. Load an instrument. 
> 3. In arrange: enable TBA on this track and pick something to
automate,
> e.g. filter cutoff.  
> 4. Now press "+" sign repeatedly on your numeric keyboard: you will
see
> all the possible automation CC-numbers/names pass by. For that matter
> the minus sign decreases the value.
> 5. Continue until you see "Instrument". This is the fun part: at the
> bottom of the parameter pane you'll see the loaded instrument. 
> 6. Now use your mouse to click, hold and drag to browse and prelisten
> all of your instruments! Or automate them...

Herbert
www.zepmusic.com

On a fine day, 19-08-2003, Herbert Boland wrote:

>Hi group,
>
>I don't know if this has been documented before but here is a neat trick
>I discovered this morning.
>
>[...]
>
>(Hendrik Jan: maybe add this to section 18 in the FAQ.)

For scrolling through instruments there _is_ a dedicated key command 
(next/prev EXS instrument).  I suppose you're aware of that. 
However, those KCs require you to have the EXS open, which your trick 
avoids -- and that's neat indeed.

But... I just tried, and the trick you describe is working in a 
strange way...  When having the 'Instrument' parameter active, 
dragging the vertical bar next to the track name will scroll through 
_all_ your EXS programs (or: drag the bar, and then use numeric +/- 
for fine-scrolling).  That's amazing, as I've got over 5000 EXS 
instruments, and you can access them all individually this way. 
However, for automation this is useless, as automation is limited to 
128 values. When you try it, it seems automation takes big steps 
through the available instruments -- like increasing automation from 
value=1 to value=2 will change the EXS from instruments 120 to 260 or 
something.

Despite the fact that the trick is somewhat surprising, I wonder how 
useful it really is in practice -- except that it gives you a way to 
scroll through the EXS instruments without having to have an EXS 
instance open to receive the dedicated key commands.

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/

Hendrik Jan Veenstra [mailto:h@...] wrote:
But... I just tried, and the trick you describe is working in a 
strange way...  When having the 'Instrument' parameter active, 
dragging the vertical bar next to the track name will scroll through 
_all_ your EXS programs (or: drag the bar, and then use numeric +/- 
for fine-scrolling).  That's amazing, as I've got over 5000 EXS 
instruments, and you can access them all individually this way. 
However, for automation this is useless, as automation is limited to 
128 values. 

HB: I noticed that too. You would need a high resolution for this to
work.

When you try it, it seems automation takes big steps 
through the available instruments -- like increasing automation from 
value=1 to value=2 will change the EXS from instruments 120 to 260 or 
something.

HB: It's jumping all about the place it seems. 

Despite the fact that the trick is somewhat surprising, I wonder how 
useful it really is in practice -- except that it gives you a way to 
scroll through the EXS instruments without having to have an EXS 
instance open to receive the dedicated key commands.

HB: Agreed, but it makes browsing within a family of sounds more easy.
And you have a clear label in arrange with the loaded instrument name...


Herbert Boland
www.zepmusic.com

On a fine day, 20-08-2003, Herbert Boland wrote:

>>When you try it, it seems automation takes big steps
>>through the available instruments -- like increasing automation from
>>value=1 to value=2 will change the EXS from instruments 120 to 260 or
>>something.
>
>It's jumping all about the place it seems.

No, it's not. My guess is that it simply takes the number of all 
available EXS instruments, divides that by 128, and takes the 
resulting number as the "step size".  So if you had some 12800 (128 x 
100) instruments, each parameter increment (+1) would step to the 
current program + 100

>>Despite the fact that the trick is somewhat surprising, I wonder how
>>useful it really is in practice -- except that it gives you a way to
>>scroll through the EXS instruments without having to have an EXS
>>instance open to receive the dedicated key commands.
>
>HB: Agreed, but it makes browsing within a family of sounds more easy.
>And you have a clear label in arrange with the loaded instrument name...

Yes, true...  And it's curious to notice thgat you can reach 
parameters that normally aren't present in the flip menu.  I'm still 
wondering how useful that is though...

-- 
Hendrik Jan Veenstra   h @ k n o w a r e . n l
Omega Art: http://www.omega-art.com/