4 cable method
2012-05-23 by Rickenbacker
How do you hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the manual..
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4 cable method
Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-23 by vince.a@verizon.net
Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: "Now we are actually feeding the two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and connect the 2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop return" That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program for the FX Loop and you'll see: Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, and completely ignored. Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. No Sum :If plugs are connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the GSP-2101 Artist. I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. Hope that helps! --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@...> wrote:
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> > How do you hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the manual.. >
Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-23 by Rick
I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar. it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the front...Rick
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From: vince.a@... Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: "Now we are actually feeding the two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and connect the 2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop return" That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program for the FX Loop and you'll see: Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, and completely ignored. Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. No Sum :If plugs are connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the GSP-2101 Artist. I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. Hope that helps! --- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@...> wrote: > > How do you hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the manual.. > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5017 - Release Date: 05/23/12
Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-23 by Marko Menart
Page 88, the last sentence: "if your Amp head doesn’t have a second input, a -Y- cable will work just as well". Best regards, Marko ________________________________
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From: Rick <richard.johnson@...> To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar. it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the front...Rick From: vince.a@... Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: "Now we are actually feeding the two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and connect the 2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop return" That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program for the FX Loop and you'll see: Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, and completely ignored. Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. No Sum :If plugs are connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the GSP-2101 Artist. I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. Hope that helps! --- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@...> wrote: > > How do you hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the manual.. > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5017 - Release Date: 05/23/12
Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-23 by Rick
the picture confuses me, because , there is an input on the amp for the guitar, but the input beside it should be an output, because it has a wire going too the front of the 2101 input... does that make sense...
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From: Marko Menart Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:33 PM To: gsp-2101@...m Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method Page 88, the last sentence: "if your Amp head doesn’t have a second input, a -Y- cable will work just as well". Best regards, Marko -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick <richard.johnson@...> To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar. it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the front...Rick From: vince.a@... Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: "Now we are actually feeding the two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and connect the 2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop return" That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program for the FX Loop and you'll see: Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, and completely ignored. Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. No Sum :If plugs are connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the GSP-2101 Artist. I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. Hope that helps! --- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@...> wrote: > > How do you hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the manual.. > No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5017 - Release Date: 05/23/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date: 05/23/12
Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-24 by Rick johnson
OK i tried again and failed..I am trying it through a fender deville..Its has a effects loop and also 2 inputs on the top.. all i got was a big hum, so i switched the cables and then got a very low signal through the amp, nothing i did with the 2101 changed the volume or effect, so it wasnt working as soon as i unplugged one of the cables at the amp, it got very loud , like normal..I thought i turned on the effects loop in the GSP.. When you select summed, it should be on, i would think, and if you want too save it you click store...
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From: Rick
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
the picture confuses me, because , there is an input on the amp for the guitar, but the input beside it should be an output, because it has a wire going too the front of the 2101 input... does that make sense...
From: Marko Menart
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:33 PM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
Page 88, the last sentence: "if your Amp head doesn’t have a second input, a -Y- cable will work just as well".
Best regards, Marko
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From: Rick <richard.johnson@...>
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar.
it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the front...Rick
From: vince.a@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle:
"Now we are actually feeding the two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and connect the
2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop return"
That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program for the FX Loop and you'll see:
Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, and completely ignored.
Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio.
No Sum :If plugs are connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the GSP-2101 Artist.
I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now.
Hope that helps!
--- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@...> wrote:
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> How do you hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the manual..
>
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Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date: 05/23/12Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-24 by Chris Mead
I'll take a shot at it.... The following will bypass the 2101's pre-amp and analog section and will lower the noise floor. Just the digital effects will be available. 1. Guitar <----> Amp instrument input 2. Amp loop send jack <----> 2101 Left Mono Efx Return 3. 2101 Left Mono Out (Not the Efx send) <----> Amp loop return jack 4. Enter the program and select No Sum on the FX loop page 5. Turn off the noise gate 6. Set the mix in the 2101 to 100% wet >________________________________ > From: Rick johnson <richard.johnson@...> >To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:49 PM >Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > > > > >OK i tried again and failed..I am trying it through a fender deville..Its has a effects loop and also 2 inputs on the top.. >all i got was a big hum, so i switched the cables and then got a very low signal through the amp, nothing i did with the 2101 changed the volume or effect, so it wasnt working as soon as i unplugged one of the cables at the amp, it got very loud , like normal..I thought i turned on the effects loop in the GSP.. When you select summed, it should be on, i would think, and if you want too save it you click store... >----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rick >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:09 PM >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >> >> >>the picture confuses me, because , there is an input on the amp for the guitar, but the input beside it should be an output, because it has a wire going too the front of the 2101 input... does that make sense... >> >>From: Marko Menart >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:33 PM >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >> >> >>Page 88, the last sentence: "if your Amp head doesn’t have a second input, a -Y- cable will work just as well". >> >> >>Best regards, Marko >> >> >> >>________________________________ >> From: Rick <richard.johnson@...> >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:47 PM >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >> >> >> >>I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar. >>it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the front...Rick >> >>From: vince.a@... >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >> >> >>Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: >> >>"Now we are actually feeding the two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and connect the >>2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop return" >> >>That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program for the FX Loop and you'll see: >> >>Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, and completely ignored. >>Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. >>No Sum :If plugs are connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the GSP-2101 Artist. >> >>I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. >> >>Hope that helps! >> >>--- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@...> wrote: >>> >>> How do you hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the manual.. >>> >> >> >>No virus found in this message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5017 - Release Date: 05/23/12 >> >> >>No virus found in this message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date: 05/23/12
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Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-24 by Rickenbacker
Got it... Thanks .. I was using both EFX send and return on the 2101, This doesn't seem like a 4 cabke method when i am using 3 cables but it works.. This hookup what is it doing.. Thanks Again --- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Chris Mead <stratburst@...> wrote:
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> > I'll take a shot at it.... The following will bypass the 2101's pre-amp and analog section and will lower the noise floor. Just the digital effects will be available. > > 1. Guitar <----> Amp instrument input > 2. Amp loop send jack <---->  2101 Left Mono Efx Return  > 3. 2101 Left Mono Out (Not the Efx send)  <----> Amp loop return jack > 4. Enter the program and select No Sum on the FX loop page > 5. Turn off the noise gate > 6. Set the mix in the 2101 to 100% wet > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Rick johnson <richard.johnson@...> > >To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:49 PM > >Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > > > > > > > > > >OK i tried again and failed..I am trying it > through a fender deville..Its has a effects loop and also 2 inputs on the > top.. > >all i got was a big hum, so i switched the > cables and then got a very low signal through the amp, nothing i did with the > 2101 changed the volume or effect, so it wasnt working as soon as i unplugged > one of the cables at the amp, it got very loud , like normal..I thought i turned > on the effects loop in the GSP.. When you select summed, it should be on, i > would think, and if you want too save it you click store... > >----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Rick > >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:09 PM > >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >>the picture confuses me, because , there is an input on the amp for the guitar, but the input beside it should be an output, because it has a wire going too the front of the 2101 input... does that make sense... > >> > >>From: Marko Menart > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:33 PM > >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com > >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >>Page 88, the last sentence: "if your Amp head doesnât have a second input, a -Y- cable will work just as well". > >> > >> > >>Best > regards, Marko > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Rick <richard.johnson@...> > >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:47 PM > >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >> > >>I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar. > >>it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the > front...Rick > >> > >>From: vince.a@... > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM > >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com > >>Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >>Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: > >> > >>"Now we are actually feeding the > two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets > put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX > loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and > connect the > >>2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop > return" > >> > >>That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within > each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program > for the FX Loop and you'll see: > >> > >>Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, > and completely ignored. > >>Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together > with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. > >>No Sum :If plugs are > connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. > If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the > GSP-2101 Artist. > >> > >>I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have > shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. > >> > >>Hope > that helps! > >> > >>--- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@> wrote: > >>> > >>> How do you > hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 > to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the > manual.. > >>> > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: > 2425/5017 - Release Date: > 05/23/12 > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus > Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date: > 05/23/12 > > > > > > >
Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-24 by PinkFlydxx@AOL.com
It is correct that this configuration will completely take out the 2101's analog section (i.e. compression, distortion, etc), but will allow you to use all the digital effects that are available on the post 2010 FX Return input side. This set up allows you to use the amplifier's pre-amp (and any that you have coming in between the guitar and the amp) in combination with the 2101's digital effects. However, I would not technically refer to this set up as a "4 cable method", but it is an option. I have found that I personally like some of the 2101's pre-amp effects and prefer to use the typical 4 cable method, even though I think that I lose some of my amp's pre-amp capabilities in doing so. I have overcome even this issue (somewhat) by bypassing those 2101 pre-amp effects in a given patch in order to try to allow the amp's pre-amp to be more dominant. It works ok, but still not 100% satisfactory. I tried the Owner's Manual technique of splitting the signal from the guitar, and using the 2101's Bypass/Summed/NoSum to determine which pre-amp I was going to use. While it looked like a great idea in theory, the ability to control the unity gains and/or the seemingly countless volume and wet/dry adjustments became too daunting of a task for a weekend warrior type player such as me. However, if set up properly, it would give you the maximum amount of control over your amp and 2101's preamp capabilities. Best of luck. PS: What I would really like to find is an easy means to allow me to turn on and off certain effects within a given patch by using the Controller One. I know this is available, but damn, the programming effort seem complex and still may not result in the overall result that I am seeking. It would be nice to turn on and off the distortions and/or delays on different patches - and to have maybe a volume control on the whammy pedal. I don't mind having only 5 patches per bank if that's what it takes with the on/off's on the upper five (i.e. if you remember the old GSP21 Pro's then you know what I am talking about), but I do not want to spend hours to set up a single program to allow this. Anyone got any tips or tricks on doing this? Thanks to all. In a message dated 5/24/2012 9:23:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, richard.johnson@... writes: Got it... Thanks .. I was using both EFX send and return on the 2101, This doesn't seem like a 4 cabke method when i am using 3 cables but it works.. This hookup what is it doing.. Thanks Again --- In _gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com) , Chris Mead <stratburst@...> wrote: > > I'll take a shot at it.... The following will bypass the 2101's pre-amp and analog section and will lower the noise floor. Just the digital effects will be available. > > 1. Guitar <----> Amp instrument input > 2. Amp loop send jack <---->  2101 Left Mono Efx Return  > 3. 2101 Left Mono Out (Not the Efx send)  <----> Amp loop return jack > 4. Enter the program and select No Sum on the FX loop page > 5. Turn off the noise gate > 6. Set the mix in the 2101 to 100% wet > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Rick johnson <richard.johnson@...> > >To: _gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com) > >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:49 PM > >Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > > > > > > > > > >OK i tried again and failed..I am trying it > through a fender deville..Its has a effects loop and also 2 inputs on the > top.. > >all i got was a big hum, so i switched the > cables and then got a very low signal through the amp, nothing i did with the > 2101 changed the volume or effect, so it wasnt working as soon as i unplugged > one of the cables at the amp, it got very loud , like normal..I thought i turned > on the effects loop in the GSP.. When you select summed, it should be on, i > would think, and if you want too save it you click store... > >----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Rick > >>To: _gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com) > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:09 PM > >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >>the picture confuses me, because , there is an input on the amp for the guitar, but the input beside it should be an output, because it has a wire going too the front of the 2101 input... does that make sense... > >> > >>From: Marko Menart > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:33 PM > >>To: _gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com) > >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >>Page 88, the last sentence: "if your Amp head doesn’t have a second input, a -Y- cable will work just as well". > >> > >> > >>Best > regards, Marko > >> > >> > >> > >>________________________________ > >> From: Rick <richard.johnson@...> > >>To: _gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com) > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:47 PM > >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >> > >>I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar. > >>it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the > front...Rick > >> > >>From: vince.a@... > >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM > >>To: _gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com) > >>Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > >> > >> > >>Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: > >> > >>"Now we are actually feeding the > two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets > put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX > loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and > connect the > >>2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop > return" > >> > >>That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within > each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program > for the FX Loop and you'll see: > >> > >>Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, > and completely ignored. > >>Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together > with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. > >>No Sum :If plugs are > connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. > If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the > GSP-2101 Artist. > >> > >>I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have > shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. > >> > >>Hope > that helps! > >> > >>--- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@> wrote: > >>> > >>> How do you > hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101
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> to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the > manual.. > >>> > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: > 2425/5017 - Release Date: > 05/23/12 > >> > >> > >>No virus found in this message. > >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus > Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date: > 05/23/12 > > > > > > >
Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method
2012-05-25 by Chris Mead
I've done it but it's been a while. Take a look here or search the board. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gsp-users/message/8210 >________________________________ > From: "PinkFlydxx@..." <PinkFlydxx@...> >To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 12:19 PM >Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method > > > >It is correct that this configuration will completely take out the 2101's analog section (i.e. compression, distortion, etc), but will allow you to use all the digital effects that are available on the post 2010 FX Return input side. >This set up allows you to use the amplifier's pre-amp (and any that you have coming in between the guitar and the amp) in combination with the 2101's digital effects. > >However, I would not technically refer to this set up as a "4 cable method", but it is an option. I have found that I personally like some of the 2101's pre-amp effects and prefer to use the typical 4 cable method, even though I think that I lose some of my amp's pre-amp capabilities in doing so. I have overcome even this issue (somewhat) by bypassing those 2101 pre-amp effects in a given patch in order to try to allow the amp's pre-amp to be more dominant. It works ok, but still not 100% satisfactory. > >I tried the Owner's Manual technique of splitting the signal from the guitar, and using the 2101's Bypass/Summed/NoSum to determine which pre-amp I was going to use. While it looked like a great idea in theory, the ability to control the unity gains and/or the seemingly countless volume and wet/dry adjustments became too daunting of a task for a weekend warrior type player such as me. However, if set up properly, it would give you the maximum amount of control over your amp and 2101's preamp capabilities. > > >Best of luck. > > >PS: What I would really like to find is an easy means to allow me to turn on and off certain effects within a given patch by using the Controller One. I know this is available, but damn, the programming effort seem complex and still may not result in the overall result that I am seeking. It would be nice to turn on and off the distortions and/or delays on different patches - and to have maybe a volume control on the whammy pedal. I don't mind having only 5 patches per bank if that's what it takes with the on/off's on the upper five (i.e. if you remember the old GSP21 Pro's then you know what I am talking about), but I do not want to spend hours to set up a single program to allow this. > >Anyone got any tips or tricks on doing this? Thanks to all. > > > >In a message dated 5/24/2012 9:23:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, richard.johnson@... writes: > >>Got it... Thanks .. I was using both EFX send and return on the 2101, >>This doesn't seem like a 4 cabke method when i am using 3 cables but it works.. >>This hookup what is it doing.. Thanks Again >> >>--- In gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com, Chris Mead <stratburst@...> wrote: >>> >>> I'll take a shot at it.... The following will bypass the 2101's pre-amp and analog section and will lower the noise floor. Just the digital effects will be available. >>> >>> 1. Guitar <----> Amp instrument input >>> 2. Amp loop send jack <---->  2101 Left Mono Efx Return  >>> 3. 2101 Left Mono Out (Not the Efx send)  <----> Amp loop return jack >>> 4. Enter the program and select No Sum on the FX loop page >>> 5. Turn off the noise gate >>> 6. Set the mix in the 2101 to 100% wet >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >________________________________ >>> > From: Rick johnson <richard.johnson@...> >>> >To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:49 PM >>> >Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >OK i tried again and failed..I am trying it >>> through a fender deville..Its has a effects loop and also 2 inputs on the >>> top.. >>> >all i got was a big hum, so i switched the >>> cables and then got a very low signal through the amp, nothing i did with the >>> 2101 changed the volume or effect, so it wasnt working as soon as i unplugged >>> one of the cables at the amp, it got very loud , like normal..I thought i turned >>> on the effects loop in the GSP.. When you select summed, it should be on, i >>> would think, and if you want too save it you click store... >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >>From: Rick >>> >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:09 PM >>> >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>the picture confuses me, because , there is an input on the amp for the guitar, but the input beside it should be an output, because it has a wire going too the front of the 2101 input... does that make sense... >>> >> >>> >>From: Marko Menart >>> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 6:33 PM >>> >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>> >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>Page 88, the last sentence: "if your Amp head doesn’t have a second input, a -Y- cable will work just as well". >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>Best >>> regards, Marko >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>________________________________ >>> >> From: Rick <richard.johnson@...> >>> >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:47 PM >>> >>Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>I appreciate all the help, this machine is way above me, but i will try it again, the picture of the set up on page 89, everything i get, except for the extra jack on the front of the amp.. mine only has one input for the guitar. >>> >>it looks like in the picture the guitar plugs into the amp and the amp has a output jack on the front that goes into the 2101... my amp only has an input jack on the >>> front...Rick >>> >> >>> >>From: vince.a@... >>> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:50 PM >>> >>To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com >>> >>Subject: [gsp-2101] Re: 4 cable method >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>Send out to the efx, return into from the efx and within the program...see page 89 of the manual, they use the example of a head with effects, but it is the same principle: >>> >> >>> >>"Now we are actually feeding the >>> two pre-amps the same guitar signal. Most Amp heads have an FX loop, so lets >>> put this to work for us. Use an instrument cable to connect the Amp head's FX >>> loop out to the Left (mono) FX Loop return of the 2101. Take another cable and >>> connect the >>> >>2101's Left Output (mono) to the Amp head's FX loop >>> return" >>> >> >>> >>That's the "hardware" part of it. There's also options within >>> each program, here's from page 7 of the manual - scroll through your program >>> for the FX Loop and you'll see: >>> >> >>> >>Bypass : The FX Loop Returns are off, >>> and completely ignored. >>> >>Summed : The FX Loop Returns are summed together >>> with the original signal using a 50:50 ratio. >>> >>No Sum :If plugs are >>> connected to the FX Loop Return jack(s), they are the primary signal source. >>> If there is no signal present at these jacks, you don't hear anything from the >>> GSP-2101 Artist. >>> >> >>> >>I don't have the unit in front of me, or I would have >>> shared from that, but I do have access to the manual right now. >>> >> >>> >>Hope >>> that helps! >>> >> >>> >>--- In mailto:gsp-2101%40yahoogroups.com, "Rickenbacker" <richard.johnson@> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> How do you >>> hook this up too the effects loop and do you have to do something to the 2101 >>> to turn on the effects, i cannot figure it out in the >>> manual.. >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>No virus found in this message. >>> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: >>> 2425/5017 - Release Date: >>> 05/23/12 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>No virus found in this message. >>> >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> >>Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus >>> Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date:
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