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Recommend me a great tube power amp.

Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-04 by Sean Roberts

I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
(I do small gigs for a living)
But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration if you know what I mean! ;-)
I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but after hearing my stuff through
a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
(this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's preamp)
I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do small/medium gigs with.
Oh and for recording as well.
There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
He said it was an older Marshall?
These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.
Thanks
Sean

RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-04 by Greg Chabon

I'm using a Marshall DSL201.  It's a 1x12 combo, all tube (12ax7s and
EL84s).  It is perfect for my gigs (small to mid size, we do classic rock,
reggae, Steely Dan, etc., very wide range of sounds).  This Marshall lets
you drive the power tube to get that TONE without killing people.  I mic it
to the board for bigger rooms and to control FOH mix.

Right now I've relegated the 2101 to effects loop status because I'm using a
Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive pedal on the front end.  I do not use this
Marshall's distortion channel for the most part because it is rather harsh
and nonarticulate (like most modern high gain amps).  However, with the
clean prevolume on about 3, the master on 10 I get wonderful, full clean
tones.   The 2101 digital effects sound beautiful.  When I engage the
Fulldrive, I get nice crunchy/bluesy overdrive.  I go to the "boost" on the
Fulldrive and go into Allman Bros territory.

The other reason the 2101 is now in the effects loop (ie., I don't use it's
analog section or distortion) is that I've found going straight into a tube
amp front end, even with the Fulldrive, lets the guitar volume control how
much drive you get.  In this way, I can set the guitar volume at 6 or 7 for
crunchy rhythm sections, then roll it up full for the leads and fills.  The
2101 tube preamp does not seem to respond this way nearly as well, and it's
lost when that signal is fed into the amp input.  I've tried that "y cord"
dual setup described in the 2101 Artist manual, with no useable results.

The DSL201 is small, lightweight, easily upgradeable with alternate tubes (I
like the JAN/Phillips NOS 12at7 and the JJ EL84s) and speaker.  The down
side is you can't hook up an external speaker cab.  However, if you're mic'g
to the board, the extra speakers are only for stage ears.

Beware the DSL401 which is this amp's 40watt big brother.  I believe its the
same basic amp with higher output circuitry, and therefore much hotter.
Lots of folks have reported problems with the 401 (overheating causing
traces to break, solder joints to fail, etc.).  The 201 get plenty warm, but
no problems (I've had mine for 2 years, plenty of gigs, rehearsals, outdoor
gigs, etc. and no problems).

Sorry for the long post, but buying an amp is a big deal (at least to me)
and thought this might be helpful.
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:10 PM
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


  I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
  At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
  (I do small gigs for a living)
  But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration if
you know what I mean! ;-)
  I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but after
hearing my stuff through
  a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
  (this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's preamp)

  I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do
small/medium gigs with.
  Oh and for recording as well.
  There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
  50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
  He said it was an older Marshall?
  These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.

  Thanks
  Sean




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Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-04 by Sean Roberts

Thanks Greg
Lots of good pointers!
I've also considered getting a small tube amp (not just a power rack)
so I'll look into the DSL201!
Cheers
Sean
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

I'm using a Marshall DSL201. It's a 1x12 combo, all tube (12ax7s and
EL84s). It is perfect for my gigs (small to mid size, we do classic rock,
reggae, Steely Dan, etc., very wide range of sounds). This Marshall lets
you drive the power tube to get that TONE without killing people. I mic it
to the board for bigger rooms and to control FOH mix.

Right now I've relegated the 2101 to effects loop status because I'm using a
Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive pedal on the front end. I do not use this
Marshall's distortion channel for the most part because it is rather harsh
and nonarticulate (like most modern high gain amps). However, with the
clean prevolume on about 3, the master on 10 I get wonderful, full clean
tones. The 2101 digital effects sound beautiful. When I engage the
Fulldrive, I get nice crunchy/bluesy overdrive. I go to the "boost" on the
Fulldrive and go into Allman Bros territory.

The other reason the 2101 is now in the effects loop (ie., I don't use it's
analog section or distortion) is that I've found going straight into a tube
amp front end, even with the Fulldrive, lets the guitar volume control how
much drive you get. In this way, I can set the guitar volume at 6 or 7 for
crunchy rhythm sections, then roll it up full for the leads and fills. The
2101 tube preamp does not seem to respond this way nearly as well, and it's
lost when that signal is fed into the amp input. I've tried that "y cord"
dual setup described in the 2101 Artist manual, with no useable results.

The DSL201 is small, lightweight, easily upgradeable with alternate tubes (I
like the JAN/Phillips NOS 12at7 and the JJ EL84s) and speaker. The down
side is you can't hook up an external speaker cab. However, if you're mic'g
to the board, the extra speakers are only for stage ears.

Beware the DSL401 which is this amp's 40watt big brother. I believe its the
same basic amp with higher output circuitry, and therefore much hotter.
Lots of folks have reported problems with the 401 (overheating causing
traces to break, solder joints to fail, etc.). The 201 get plenty warm, but
no problems (I've had mine for 2 years, plenty of gigs, rehearsals, outdoor
gigs, etc. and no problems).

Sorry for the long post, but buying an amp is a big deal (at least to me)
and thought this might be helpful.
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:10 PM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
(I do small gigs for a living)
But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration if
you know what I mean! ;-)
I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but after
hearing my stuff through
a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
(this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's preamp)

I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do
small/medium gigs with.
Oh and for recording as well.
There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
He said it was an older Marshall?
These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.

Thanks
Sean




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RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-04 by bearmed2000

I use a Mesa-Boogie Simul-Class 295.  They are no longer in production, and
nothing has come close to this baby since.  It is a tank-I don't have a clue
how I could put a dent in it.and it has the sweetest, warmest, fattest tone
I have ever encountered in a dedicated power amp.  Has both 8 & 4 ohm
outputs on each side, can be driven stereo at 95 watts per side or bridged
mono.  Has 2 EL34's per side, and 2 6L6's per side; can switch each channel
from just the EL34's (Class A mode) or all tubes at once (Simul-Class) for
stage volume.  In my apartment, on the Class A mode, with the gains set at
1/10, you can hear my amp from space-I cannot imagine what kind of nuclear
testing site would be required to run this thing wide-open.  

 

Look for a used one of these babies on e-bay.that's where I got mine.  I'll
never need another power amp.

 

--Steve K.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...] 
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:44 PM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com; krazydog@...
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

 

Thanks Greg

Lots of good pointers!

I've also considered getting a small tube amp (not just a power rack)

so I'll look into the DSL201!

 

Cheers

Sean

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Greg Chabon <mailto:g_chabon@...>  

To: krazydog@... ; gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:33 PM

Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

 

I'm using a Marshall DSL201.  It's a 1x12 combo, all tube (12ax7s and
EL84s).  It is perfect for my gigs (small to mid size, we do classic rock,
reggae, Steely Dan, etc., very wide range of sounds).  This Marshall lets
you drive the power tube to get that TONE without killing people.  I mic it
to the board for bigger rooms and to control FOH mix.

Right now I've relegated the 2101 to effects loop status because I'm using a
Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive pedal on the front end.  I do not use this
Marshall's distortion channel for the most part because it is rather harsh
and nonarticulate (like most modern high gain amps).  However, with the
clean prevolume on about 3, the master on 10 I get wonderful, full clean
tones.   The 2101 digital effects sound beautiful.  When I engage the
Fulldrive, I get nice crunchy/bluesy overdrive.  I go to the "boost" on the
Fulldrive and go into Allman Bros territory.

The other reason the 2101 is now in the effects loop (ie., I don't use it's
analog section or distortion) is that I've found going straight into a tube
amp front end, even with the Fulldrive, lets the guitar volume control how
much drive you get.  In this way, I can set the guitar volume at 6 or 7 for
crunchy rhythm sections, then roll it up full for the leads and fills.  The
2101 tube preamp does not seem to respond this way nearly as well, and it's
lost when that signal is fed into the amp input.  I've tried that "y cord"
dual setup described in the 2101 Artist manual, with no useable results.

The DSL201 is small, lightweight, easily upgradeable with alternate tubes (I
like the JAN/Phillips NOS 12at7 and the JJ EL84s) and speaker.  The down
side is you can't hook up an external speaker cab.  However, if you're mic'g
to the board, the extra speakers are only for stage ears.

Beware the DSL401 which is this amp's 40watt big brother.  I believe its the
same basic amp with higher output circuitry, and therefore much hotter.
Lots of folks have reported problems with the 401 (overheating causing
traces to break, solder joints to fail, etc.).  The 201 get plenty warm, but
no problems (I've had mine for 2 years, plenty of gigs, rehearsals, outdoor
gigs, etc. and no problems).

Sorry for the long post, but buying an amp is a big deal (at least to me)
and thought this might be helpful.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:10 PM
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


  I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
  At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
  (I do small gigs for a living)
  But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration if
you know what I mean! ;-)
  I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but after
hearing my stuff through
  a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
  (this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's preamp)

  I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do
small/medium gigs with.
  Oh and for recording as well.
  There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
  50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
  He said it was an older Marshall?
  These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.

  Thanks
  Sean




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RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-08 by MM

I have a similar amp, a Mesa Strategy 400 Stereo. I agree with you that
I’ll never need another amp; Mesa’s are built like tanks. Mine has 4
12AX&’s 4 EL34’s and 8 6L6’s. I bought mine because a friend of mine
had one and I liked it and I had bad experiences with Marshall as far as
reliability (many failures, sometimes at gigs). This one has been
running fine for almost 15 years and I bought it used. It weighs as much
as a boat anchor though. - Mark
Show quoted textHide quoted text
-----Original Message-----
From: bearmed2000 [mailto:bearmed2000@...] 
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:23 AM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.
 
I use a Mesa-Boogie Simul-Class 295.  They are no longer in production,
and nothing has come close to this baby since.  It is a tank-I don’t
have a clue how I could put a dent in it…and it has the sweetest,
warmest, fattest tone I have ever encountered in a dedicated power amp.
Has both 8 & 4 ohm outputs on each side, can be driven stereo at 95
watts per side or bridged mono.  Has 2 EL34’s per side, and 2 6L6’s
per side; can switch each channel from just the EL34’s (Class A mode)
or all tubes at once (Simul-Class) for stage volume.  In my apartment,
on the Class A mode, with the gains set at 1/10, you can hear my amp
from space-I cannot imagine what kind of nuclear testing site would be
required to run this thing wide-open.  
 
Look for a used one of these babies on e-bay…that’s where I got mine.
I’ll never need another power amp.
 
--Steve K.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...] 
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:44 PM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com; krazydog@...
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.
 
Thanks Greg
Lots of good pointers!
I've also considered getting a small tube amp (not just a power rack)
so I'll look into the DSL201!
 
Cheers
Sean
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Greg Chabon <mailto:g_chabon@...>  
To: krazydog@... ; gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.
 
I'm using a Marshall DSL201.  It's a 1x12 combo, all tube (12ax7s and
EL84s).  It is perfect for my gigs (small to mid size, we do classic
rock,
reggae, Steely Dan, etc., very wide range of sounds).  This Marshall
lets
you drive the power tube to get that TONE without killing people.  I mic
it
to the board for bigger rooms and to control FOH mix.

Right now I've relegated the 2101 to effects loop status because I'm
using a
Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive pedal on the front end.  I do not use
this
Marshall's distortion channel for the most part because it is rather
harsh
and nonarticulate (like most modern high gain amps).  However, with the
clean prevolume on about 3, the master on 10 I get wonderful, full clean
tones.   The 2101 digital effects sound beautiful.  When I engage the
Fulldrive, I get nice crunchy/bluesy overdrive.  I go to the "boost" on
the
Fulldrive and go into Allman Bros territory.

The other reason the 2101 is now in the effects loop (ie., I don't use
it's
analog section or distortion) is that I've found going straight into a
tube
amp front end, even with the Fulldrive, lets the guitar volume control
how
much drive you get.  In this way, I can set the guitar volume at 6 or 7
for
crunchy rhythm sections, then roll it up full for the leads and fills.
The
2101 tube preamp does not seem to respond this way nearly as well, and
it's
lost when that signal is fed into the amp input.  I've tried that "y
cord"
dual setup described in the 2101 Artist manual, with no useable results.

The DSL201 is small, lightweight, easily upgradeable with alternate
tubes (I
like the JAN/Phillips NOS 12at7 and the JJ EL84s) and speaker.  The down
side is you can't hook up an external speaker cab.  However, if you're
mic'g
to the board, the extra speakers are only for stage ears.

Beware the DSL401 which is this amp's 40watt big brother.  I believe its
the
same basic amp with higher output circuitry, and therefore much hotter.
Lots of folks have reported problems with the 401 (overheating causing
traces to break, solder joints to fail, etc.).  The 201 get plenty warm,
but
no problems (I've had mine for 2 years, plenty of gigs, rehearsals,
outdoor
gigs, etc. and no problems).

Sorry for the long post, but buying an amp is a big deal (at least to
me)
and thought this might be helpful.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:10 PM
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


  I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
  At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
  (I do small gigs for a living)
  But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration
if
you know what I mean! ;-)
  I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but after
hearing my stuff through
  a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
  (this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's
preamp)

  I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do
small/medium gigs with.
  Oh and for recording as well.
  There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
  50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
  He said it was an older Marshall?
  These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.

  Thanks
  Sean




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Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-08 by Sean Roberts

Well I grabbed that Marshall 9005.
Ended up paying $260 CAD which is about $170 US so for the price, I couldn't go wrong.
I've seen a few up on ebay for 400-500 US.
It's not bad, not great but better than the solid state (Valvestate) I have.
Here's which Marshall it is.
It's an older one (1990) not the gold ones.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2521247168&category=23787

Couple of questions.
There's a low-hi output switch on the back that doesn't seem to do anything.
Do I have to have it set at a certain ohm for this to work??
It's set at 4 ohms right now.
Also If I want to bridge the 2 how do I do that?
There's 2 speaker outs for each side.
Ch A/mono input & link out jack
input & link out on ch B.
Would I plug into Ch A then plug a short chord into ch A link out then into ch B input??

Onto tubes....
I'd like to re-tube this power amp.
They're the EL34 tubes & 12AX7s.
Does it make a big difference to get matched power tubes??
Are Groove tubes "THAT" much better for power?
Any recommendations on tubes?
What about the 12AX7s?
* * STUPID QUESTION ALERT * *
Why are there preamp tubes in my power amp?
(Sorry)
Again, matched pair worth the extra dough in a power amp?

Cheers
Sean
Show quoted textHide quoted text
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: MM 
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


  I have a similar amp, a Mesa Strategy 400 Stereo. I agree with you that I’ll never need another amp; Mesa’s are built like tanks. Mine has 4 12AX&’s 4 EL34’s and 8 6L6’s. I bought mine because a friend of mine had one and I liked it and I had bad experiences with Marshall as far as reliability (many failures, sometimes at gigs). This one has been running fine for almost 15 years and I bought it used. It weighs as much as a boat anchor though. - Mark

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: bearmed2000 [mailto:bearmed2000@...] 
  Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:23 AM
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

   

  I use a Mesa-Boogie Simul-Class 295.  They are no longer in production, and nothing has come close to this baby since.  It is a tank?I don’t have a clue how I could put a dent in it…and it has the sweetest, warmest, fattest tone I have ever encountered in a dedicated power amp.  Has both 8 & 4 ohm outputs on each side, can be driven stereo at 95 watts per side or bridged mono.  Has 2 EL34’s per side, and 2 6L6’s per side; can switch each channel from just the EL34’s (Class A mode) or all tubes at once (Simul-Class) for stage volume.  In my apartment, on the Class A mode, with the gains set at 1/10, you can hear my amp from space?I cannot imagine what kind of nuclear testing site would be required to run this thing wide-open.  

   

  Look for a used one of these babies on e-bay…that’s where I got mine.  I’ll never need another power amp.

   

  --Steve K.

   

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...] 
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:44 PM
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com; krazydog@...
  Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

   

  Thanks Greg

  Lots of good pointers!

  I've also considered getting a small tube amp (not just a power rack)

  so I'll look into the DSL201!

   

  Cheers

  Sean

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Greg Chabon 

    To: krazydog@sympatico.com ; gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com 

    Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:33 PM

    Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

     

    I'm using a Marshall DSL201.  It's a 1x12 combo, all tube (12ax7s and
    EL84s).  It is perfect for my gigs (small to mid size, we do classic rock,
    reggae, Steely Dan, etc., very wide range of sounds).  This Marshall lets
    you drive the power tube to get that TONE without killing people.  I mic it
    to the board for bigger rooms and to control FOH mix.

    Right now I've relegated the 2101 to effects loop status because I'm using a
    Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive pedal on the front end.  I do not use this
    Marshall's distortion channel for the most part because it is rather harsh
    and nonarticulate (like most modern high gain amps).  However, with the
    clean prevolume on about 3, the master on 10 I get wonderful, full clean
    tones.   The 2101 digital effects sound beautiful.  When I engage the
    Fulldrive, I get nice crunchy/bluesy overdrive.  I go to the "boost" on the
    Fulldrive and go into Allman Bros territory.

    The other reason the 2101 is now in the effects loop (ie., I don't use it's
    analog section or distortion) is that I've found going straight into a tube
    amp front end, even with the Fulldrive, lets the guitar volume control how
    much drive you get.  In this way, I can set the guitar volume at 6 or 7 for
    crunchy rhythm sections, then roll it up full for the leads and fills.  The
    2101 tube preamp does not seem to respond this way nearly as well, and it's
    lost when that signal is fed into the amp input.  I've tried that "y cord"
    dual setup described in the 2101 Artist manual, with no useable results.

    The DSL201 is small, lightweight, easily upgradeable with alternate tubes (I
    like the JAN/Phillips NOS 12at7 and the JJ EL84s) and speaker.  The down
    side is you can't hook up an external speaker cab.  However, if you're mic'g
    to the board, the extra speakers are only for stage ears.

    Beware the DSL401 which is this amp's 40watt big brother.  I believe its the
    same basic amp with higher output circuitry, and therefore much hotter.
    Lots of folks have reported problems with the 401 (overheating causing
    traces to break, solder joints to fail, etc.).  The 201 get plenty warm, but
    no problems (I've had mine for 2 years, plenty of gigs, rehearsals, outdoor
    gigs, etc. and no problems).

    Sorry for the long post, but buying an amp is a big deal (at least to me)
    and thought this might be helpful.
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
      Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:10 PM
      To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


      I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
      At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
      (I do small gigs for a living)
      But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration if
    you know what I mean! ;-)
      I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but after
    hearing my stuff through
      a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
      (this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's preamp)

      I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do
    small/medium gigs with.
      Oh and for recording as well.
      There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
      50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
      He said it was an older Marshall?
      These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.

      Thanks
      Sean




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Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-08 by Steve H

There are no preamp tubes - 2 are phase inverters and 2 are pre-drivers.

You can get the manual from the Marshall web site - it should answer all
your questions:

http://www.marshallamps.com/images/handbooks/pdf/rack.pdf

Steve
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sean Roberts
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


Well I grabbed that Marshall 9005.
Ended up paying $260 CAD which is about $170 US so for the price, I couldn't
go wrong.
I've seen a few up on ebay for 400-500 US.
It's not bad, not great but better than the solid state (Valvestate) I have.
Here's which Marshall it is.
It's an older one (1990) not the gold ones.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2521247168&category=23787

Couple of questions.
There's a low-hi output switch on the back that doesn't seem to do anything.
Do I have to have it set at a certain ohm for this to work??
It's set at 4 ohms right now.
Also If I want to bridge the 2 how do I do that?
There's 2 speaker outs for each side.
Ch A/mono input & link out jack
input & link out on ch B.
Would I plug into Ch A then plug a short chord into ch A link out then into
ch B input??

Onto tubes....
I'd like to re-tube this power amp.
They're the EL34 tubes & 12AX7s.
Does it make a big difference to get matched power tubes??
Are Groove tubes "THAT" much better for power?
Any recommendations on tubes?
What about the 12AX7s?
* * STUPID QUESTION ALERT * *
Why are there preamp tubes in my power amp?
(Sorry)
Again, matched pair worth the extra dough in a power amp?

Cheers
Sean

----- Original Message -----
From: MM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:44 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


I have a similar amp, a Mesa Strategy 400 Stereo. I agree with you that I’
ll never need another amp; Mesa’s are built like tanks. Mine has 4 12AX&’s
4 EL34’s and 8 6L6’s. I bought mine because a friend of mine had one and I
liked it and I had bad experiences with Marshall as far as reliability (many
failures, sometimes at gigs). This one has been running fine for almost 15
years and I bought it used. It weighs as much as a boat anchor though. -
Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: bearmed2000 [mailto:bearmed2000@...]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:23 AM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

I use a Mesa-Boogie Simul-Class 295.  They are no longer in production, and
nothing has come close to this baby since.  It is a tankI don’t have a clue
how I could put a dent in it…and it has the sweetest, warmest, fattest tone
I have ever encountered in a dedicated power amp.  Has both 8 & 4 ohm
outputs on each side, can be driven stereo at 95 watts per side or bridged
mono.  Has 2 EL34’s per side, and 2 6L6’s per side; can switch each
channel from just the EL34’s (Class A mode) or all tubes at once
(Simul-Class) for stage volume.  In my apartment, on the Class A mode, with
the gains set at 1/10, you can hear my amp from spaceI cannot imagine what
kind of nuclear testing site would be required to run this thing wide-open.

Look for a used one of these babies on e-bay…that’s where I got mine.  I’
ll never need another power amp.

--Steve K.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:44 PM
To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com; krazydog@...
Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

Thanks Greg
Lots of good pointers!
I've also considered getting a small tube amp (not just a power rack)
so I'll look into the DSL201!

Cheers
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Chabon
To: krazydog@... ; gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

I'm using a Marshall DSL201.  It's a 1x12 combo, all tube (12ax7s and
EL84s).  It is perfect for my gigs (small to mid size, we do classic rock,
reggae, Steely Dan, etc., very wide range of sounds).  This Marshall lets
you drive the power tube to get that TONE without killing people.  I mic it
to the board for bigger rooms and to control FOH mix.

Right now I've relegated the 2101 to effects loop status because I'm using a
Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive pedal on the front end.  I do not use this
Marshall's distortion channel for the most part because it is rather harsh
and nonarticulate (like most modern high gain amps).  However, with the
clean prevolume on about 3, the master on 10 I get wonderful, full clean
tones.   The 2101 digital effects sound beautiful.  When I engage the
Fulldrive, I get nice crunchy/bluesy overdrive.  I go to the "boost" on the
Fulldrive and go into Allman Bros territory.

The other reason the 2101 is now in the effects loop (ie., I don't use it's
analog section or distortion) is that I've found going straight into a tube
amp front end, even with the Fulldrive, lets the guitar volume control how
much drive you get.  In this way, I can set the guitar volume at 6 or 7 for
crunchy rhythm sections, then roll it up full for the leads and fills.  The
2101 tube preamp does not seem to respond this way nearly as well, and it's
lost when that signal is fed into the amp input.  I've tried that "y cord"
dual setup described in the 2101 Artist manual, with no useable results.

The DSL201 is small, lightweight, easily upgradeable with alternate tubes (I
like the JAN/Phillips NOS 12at7 and the JJ EL84s) and speaker.  The down
side is you can't hook up an external speaker cab.  However, if you're mic'g
to the board, the extra speakers are only for stage ears.

Beware the DSL401 which is this amp's 40watt big brother.  I believe its the
same basic amp with higher output circuitry, and therefore much hotter.
Lots of folks have reported problems with the 401 (overheating causing
traces to break, solder joints to fail, etc.).  The 201 get plenty warm, but
no problems (I've had mine for 2 years, plenty of gigs, rehearsals, outdoor
gigs, etc. and no problems).

Sorry for the long post, but buying an amp is a big deal (at least to me)
and thought this might be helpful.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
  Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:10 PM
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


  I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
  At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
  (I do small gigs for a living)
  But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration if
you know what I mean! ;-)
  I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but after
hearing my stuff through
  a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
  (this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's preamp)

  I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do
small/medium gigs with.
  Oh and for recording as well.
  There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
  50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
  He said it was an older Marshall?
  These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.

  Thanks
  Sean




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RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.

2003-04-08 by Greg Chabon

yes, matched power tubes are important.  You'll hear about "matched" preamp
tubes (the 12ax7's) but that mostly marketing hooey.  Check out
www.tubestore.com for info and great service/prices on tubes.  The kind of
power tubes you buy WILL affect the tone of the amp, and some are more
durable than others.  Selecting the tubes is like a science project in
itself and folks can, and do, debate the pro's and con's of various tubes
endlessly.  Also, you may have to have that amp re-biased if you change
tubes (check the manual on this).  If it needs re-biasing, have a tech do it
unless (a) you've done it before, or (b) you're REALLY comfortable working
on power amps (you, literally, can get killed by electrocution doing this
type of work).

Also, the impedence of the speaker load (i.e., 4 ohm, 8 ohm, 16 ohm) can
affect tone by the way the impedence makes the amp work harder.

That Marshall is supposed kill, from what I hear.  Good luck!
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:48 AM
  To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


  Well I grabbed that Marshall 9005.
  Ended up paying $260 CAD which is about $170 US so for the price, I
couldn't go wrong.
  I've seen a few up on ebay for 400-500 US.
  It's not bad, not great but better than the solid state (Valvestate) I
have.
  Here's which Marshall it is.
  It's an older one (1990) not the gold ones.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2521247168&category=23787

  Couple of questions.
  There's a low-hi output switch on the back that doesn't seem to do
anything.
  Do I have to have it set at a certain ohm for this to work??
  It's set at 4 ohms right now.
  Also If I want to bridge the 2 how do I do that?
  There's 2 speaker outs for each side.
  Ch A/mono input & link out jack
  input & link out on ch B.
  Would I plug into Ch A then plug a short chord into ch A link out then
into ch B input??

  Onto tubes....
  I'd like to re-tube this power amp.
  They're the EL34 tubes & 12AX7s.
  Does it make a big difference to get matched power tubes??
  Are Groove tubes "THAT" much better for power?
  Any recommendations on tubes?
  What about the 12AX7s?
  * * STUPID QUESTION ALERT * *
  Why are there preamp tubes in my power amp?
  (Sorry)
  Again, matched pair worth the extra dough in a power amp?

  Cheers
  Sean

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: MM
    To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 8:44 PM
    Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


    I have a similar amp, a Mesa Strategy 400 Stereo. I agree with you that
I’ll never need another amp; Mesa’s are built like tanks. Mine has 4 12AX&
’s 4 EL34’s and 8 6L6’s. I bought mine because a friend of mine had one
and I liked it and I had bad experiences with Marshall as far as reliability
(many failures, sometimes at gigs). This one has been running fine for
almost 15 years and I bought it used. It weighs as much as a boat anchor
though. - Mark



    -----Original Message-----
    From: bearmed2000 [mailto:bearmed2000@...]
    Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:23 AM
    To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.



    I use a Mesa-Boogie Simul-Class 295.  They are no longer in production,
and nothing has come close to this baby since.  It is a tankI don’t have a
clue how I could put a dent in it…and it has the sweetest, warmest, fattest
tone I have ever encountered in a dedicated power amp.  Has both 8 & 4 ohm
outputs on each side, can be driven stereo at 95 watts per side or bridged
mono.  Has 2 EL34’s per side, and 2 6L6’s per side; can switch each
channel from just the EL34’s (Class A mode) or all tubes at once
(Simul-Class) for stage volume.  In my apartment, on the Class A mode, with
the gains set at 1/10, you can hear my amp from spaceI cannot imagine what
kind of nuclear testing site would be required to run this thing wide-open.



    Look for a used one of these babies on e-bay…that’s where I got mine.
I’ll never need another power amp.



    --Steve K.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
    Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 7:44 PM
    To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com; krazydog@...
    Subject: Re: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.



    Thanks Greg

    Lots of good pointers!

    I've also considered getting a small tube amp (not just a power rack)

    so I'll look into the DSL201!



    Cheers

    Sean

      ----- Original Message -----

      From: Greg Chabon

      To: krazydog@... ; gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com

      Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:33 PM

      Subject: RE: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.



      I'm using a Marshall DSL201.  It's a 1x12 combo, all tube (12ax7s and
      EL84s).  It is perfect for my gigs (small to mid size, we do classic
rock,
      reggae, Steely Dan, etc., very wide range of sounds).  This Marshall
lets
      you drive the power tube to get that TONE without killing people.  I
mic it
      to the board for bigger rooms and to control FOH mix.

      Right now I've relegated the 2101 to effects loop status because I'm
using a
      Fulltone Fulldrive II overdrive pedal on the front end.  I do not use
this
      Marshall's distortion channel for the most part because it is rather
harsh
      and nonarticulate (like most modern high gain amps).  However, with
the
      clean prevolume on about 3, the master on 10 I get wonderful, full
clean
      tones.   The 2101 digital effects sound beautiful.  When I engage the
      Fulldrive, I get nice crunchy/bluesy overdrive.  I go to the "boost"
on the
      Fulldrive and go into Allman Bros territory.

      The other reason the 2101 is now in the effects loop (ie., I don't use
it's
      analog section or distortion) is that I've found going straight into a
tube
      amp front end, even with the Fulldrive, lets the guitar volume control
how
      much drive you get.  In this way, I can set the guitar volume at 6 or
7 for
      crunchy rhythm sections, then roll it up full for the leads and fills.
The
      2101 tube preamp does not seem to respond this way nearly as well, and
it's
      lost when that signal is fed into the amp input.  I've tried that "y
cord"
      dual setup described in the 2101 Artist manual, with no useable
results.

      The DSL201 is small, lightweight, easily upgradeable with alternate
tubes (I
      like the JAN/Phillips NOS 12at7 and the JJ EL84s) and speaker.  The
down
      side is you can't hook up an external speaker cab.  However, if you're
mic'g
      to the board, the extra speakers are only for stage ears.

      Beware the DSL401 which is this amp's 40watt big brother.  I believe
its the
      same basic amp with higher output circuitry, and therefore much
hotter.
      Lots of folks have reported problems with the 401 (overheating causing
      traces to break, solder joints to fail, etc.).  The 201 get plenty
warm, but
      no problems (I've had mine for 2 years, plenty of gigs, rehearsals,
outdoor
      gigs, etc. and no problems).

      Sorry for the long post, but buying an amp is a big deal (at least to
me)
      and thought this might be helpful.
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Sean Roberts [mailto:krazydog@...]
        Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 8:10 PM
        To: gsp-2101@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [gsp-2101] Recommend me a great tube power amp.


        I'm considering buying a better power amp for my 2101.
        At the moment I mainly run the 2101 straight into the board.
        (I do small gigs for a living)
        But sometimes I like bringing my Marshall 4X12 to get some vibration
if
      you know what I mean! ;-)
        I currently have the Marshall Valvestate which does the job but
after
      hearing my stuff through
        a tube power amp I couldn't believe the difference in tone!!
        (this was just using a Fender Deville for power by-passing it's
preamp)

        I don't need HUGE power, just something that sounds great & can do
      small/medium gigs with.
        Oh and for recording as well.
        There's a local who's selling a Marshall 9000 series or something.
        50 watt stereo tube for $300 CAD which is about $200 US
        He said it was an older Marshall?
        These any good, fair price?? I think he'll go lower too.

        Thanks
        Sean




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