Kawai Synthesizers

I'm having a bit of a problem resetting my K3 to the factory
sounds.  The manual says to hold down 'switches 1,2 &3' while 
powering up.  I thought that meant the patch number buttons, but that 
didn't work.  On the K3 group was a post saying to hold down the 
first 3 keys, C, C#, & D, but that didn't do it either!  Anyone have 
any better ideas?  I know you're gonna ask 'why the hell do you want 
the factory settings back?'  I've never heard them, they weren't on 
there when I bought the keyboard & I'd like to see how lame they are,
plus I want to program some new sounds & thought I'd start with the 
factory settings.  Any help would be appreciated.
jboy

jboy,

the "first three keys" method is what I've read, also. The only
additional thing I can think to check would be that the 'MEMORY
PROTECT' switch on the back is set to 'OFF.' You'll know the internal
bank has been reset to factory defaults if 1 is an epiano and ...47?
48? (one of the high numbers) is a 'jet' or 'helicopter' sound.

Good luck!
Ben


--- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> wrote:

> I'm having a bit of a problem resetting my K3 to the factory
> sounds.  The manual says to hold down 'switches 1,2 &3' while 
> powering up.  I thought that meant the patch number buttons, but that 
> didn't work.  On the K3 group was a post saying to hold down the 
> first 3 keys, C, C#, & D, but that didn't do it either! 
> jboy

Thanks guys,
There must be something else going on inside my K3 because I've tried
it both ways & the protect switch is off & it still doesn't reset...
If anyone knows any other way I can do this by maybe opening 'er up & 
tripping something inside I'm open to suggestions...
Thanks again buds,
jboy

--- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jbrave" <onephatcat@e...> wrote:
> Depends on the ROM version, its either the first three keys, or 
buttons 123
> 
> Joel
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: chromal 
>   To: kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:37 AM
>   Subject: [kawaisynths] Re: initializing
> 
> 
>   jboy,
> 
>   the "first three keys" method is what I've read, also. The only
>   additional thing I can think to check would be that the 'MEMORY
>   PROTECT' switch on the back is set to 'OFF.' You'll know the 
internal
>   bank has been reset to factory defaults if 1 is an epiano 
and ...47?
>   48? (one of the high numbers) is a 'jet' or 'helicopter' sound.
> 
>   Good luck!
>   Ben
> 
> 
>   --- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> 
wrote:
>   > I'm having a bit of a problem resetting my K3 to the factory
>   > sounds.  The manual says to hold down 'switches 1,2 &3' while 
>   > powering up.  I thought that meant the patch number buttons, 
but that 
>   > didn't work.  On the K3 group was a post saying to hold down 
the 
>   > first 3 keys, C, C#, & D, but that didn't do it either! 
>   > jboy
> 
> 
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jboy,

well, you could try transmitting one of SysEx files from Kawai back to
your K3. They have a ZIP file with about 17 SYX files, each containing
a patch bank:

http://www.kawaius.com/downloads/k3.zip

I'm not certain which, if any, of these correspond to the factory
defaults, but it might be:

K3GINT.SYX...


Good Luck,
Ben


--- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> wrote:

> Thanks guys,
> There must be something else going on inside my K3 because I've tried
> it both ways & the protect switch is off & it still doesn't reset...
> If anyone knows any other way I can do this by maybe opening 'er up & 
> tripping something inside I'm open to suggestions...
> Thanks again buds,
> jboy

Thanks for the suggestions, Ben & Joel.  I'm not hooked up via
computer to the K3, funny how people automatically assume that
nowadays, I'm still making music the old fashioned way. I know
it's not resetting because none of the presets are even close to 
sounding like what the factory patch list says they should.  The 
low C key is kinda wobbly & I'm wondering if it's not making good
contact.  My poor K3 was gigged by a previous owner, I'm glad it
works as well at it does.  


--- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jbrave" <onephatcat@e...> wrote:
> Are you sure it isn't reset already? Are you familiar with the 
factory sounds?
> 
> Joel
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jboy917 
>   To: kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:28 AM
>   Subject: [kawaisynths] Re: initializing
> 
> 
>   Thanks guys,
>   There must be something else going on inside my K3 because I've 
tried
>   it both ways & the protect switch is off & it still doesn't 
reset...
>   If anyone knows any other way I can do this by maybe opening 'er 
up & 
>   tripping something inside I'm open to suggestions...
>   Thanks again buds,
>   jboy
> 
>   --- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jbrave" <onephatcat@e...> 
wrote:
>   > Depends on the ROM version, its either the first three keys, or 
>   buttons 123
>   > 
>   > Joel
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: chromal 
>   >   To: kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 7:37 AM
>   >   Subject: [kawaisynths] Re: initializing
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   jboy,
>   > 
>   >   the "first three keys" method is what I've read, also. The 
only
>   >   additional thing I can think to check would be that 
the 'MEMORY
>   >   PROTECT' switch on the back is set to 'OFF.' You'll know the 
>   internal
>   >   bank has been reset to factory defaults if 1 is an epiano 
>   and ...47?
>   >   48? (one of the high numbers) is a 'jet' or 'helicopter' 
sound.
>   > 
>   >   Good luck!
>   >   Ben
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   --- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> 
>   wrote:
>   >   > I'm having a bit of a problem resetting my K3 to the factory
>   >   > sounds.  The manual says to hold down 'switches 1,2 &3' 
while 
>   >   > powering up.  I thought that meant the patch number 
buttons, 
>   but that 
>   >   > didn't work.  On the K3 group was a post saying to hold 
down 
>   the 
>   >   > first 3 keys, C, C#, & D, but that didn't do it either! 
>   >   > jboy
>   > 
>   > 
>   > 
>   > ----------------------------------------------------------------
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Ah, yeah, I guess I sort of assume people are doing the MIDI thing. I
guess it's easy to take for granted. 

When you hold the bottom three keys, are you holding just the white
keys or do you include the C#? If the low C key isn't registering,
that could certainly be a problem... That previous owner must have
played hard on the K3, I sort of see mine as indestructable, though I
guess it's getting a little long in tooth these days. :)


Ben





--- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions, Ben & Joel.  I'm not hooked up via
> computer to the K3, funny how people automatically assume that
> nowadays, I'm still making music the old fashioned way. I know
> it's not resetting because none of the presets are even close to 
> sounding like what the factory patch list says they should.  The 
> low C key is kinda wobbly & I'm wondering if it's not making good
> contact.  My poor K3 was gigged by a previous owner, I'm glad it
> works as well at it does.

Well I'll be with you guys soon Ben, a friend of mine just finished 
modifying an old computer I had & as soon as I figure out how to 
integrate it into my rig I'll be joining you... I gave up on 
initializing the K3, the low C doesn't work... maybe I'll get around 
to opening 'er up & trying to fix it someday, but not right now...
what do you guys recommend for an editor/librarian, Sounddiver?
Where can I get it?
jboy

--- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "chromal" <chromal.dragon@p...> 
wrote:
> Ah, yeah, I guess I sort of assume people are doing the MIDI thing. 
I
> guess it's easy to take for granted. 
> 
> When you hold the bottom three keys, are you holding just the white
> keys or do you include the C#? If the low C key isn't registering,
> that could certainly be a problem... That previous owner must have
> played hard on the K3, I sort of see mine as indestructable, though 
I

> guess it's getting a little long in tooth these days. :)
> 
> 
> Ben
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks for the suggestions, Ben & Joel.  I'm not hooked up via
> > computer to the K3, funny how people automatically assume that
> > nowadays, I'm still making music the old fashioned way. I know
> > it's not resetting because none of the presets are even close to 
> > sounding like what the factory patch list says they should.  The 
> > low C key is kinda wobbly & I'm wondering if it's not making good
> > contact.  My poor K3 was gigged by a previous owner, I'm glad it
> > works as well at it does.

I borrowed from a friend Sounddiver 2.0.6 specifically because it lists
the K5 as having an editor as well as the usual librarian featured in
it, don't bother though, it has the librarian alright, but when you
click on a sound it comes up on screen "no editor yet", PAH!

Still haven't found a commercial quality editor for the K5, does anyone
know of one?

Rob.

Get the Atari Emulator STeeM for the PC & the excellent editor's for the K3
and K5 from Tim's Atari Midi World. Tim also has a link to a Mac ST emulator
with MIDI.

Sign up with the K5Synth group and also the K3Zone Group there's other
software & manuals online.

Joel

Well, somebody already mentioned SoundDiver's K5 implementation
leaves... a bit to be desired. I know that SoundQuest's "MidiQuest"
has a K5 module, don't know how good it is. There's a lesser-known K5
editor, as well, by Terzoid Software called "NoiZe" for Windows. They
have a free 30-day trial that you can try. I rather liked it; I think
it's got a nicer design, although there are a few tricks to it, they
might have been because my K5's got a v1.0 firmware. Still. Sigh.

http://www.terzoid.com/noize


Ben


--- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> wrote:

> Well I'll be with you guys soon Ben, a friend of mine just finished 
> modifying an old computer I had & as soon as I figure out how to 
> integrate it into my rig I'll be joining you... I gave up on 
> initializing the K3, the low C doesn't work... maybe I'll get around 
> to opening 'er up & trying to fix it someday, but not right now...
> what do you guys recommend for an editor/librarian, Sounddiver?
> Where can I get it?
> jboy
> 
> --- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "chromal" <chromal.dragon@p...> 
> wrote:
> > Ah, yeah, I guess I sort of assume people are doing the MIDI thing. 
> I
> > guess it's easy to take for granted. 
> > 
> > When you hold the bottom three keys, are you holding just the white
> > keys or do you include the C#? If the low C key isn't registering,
> > that could certainly be a problem... That previous owner must have
> > played hard on the K3, I sort of see mine as indestructable, though 
> I
> > guess it's getting a little long in tooth these days. :)
> > 
> > 
> > Ben
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In kawaisynths@yahoogroups.com, "jboy917" <jboy917@y...> wrote:
> > > Thanks for the suggestions, Ben & Joel.  I'm not hooked up via
> > > computer to the K3, funny how people automatically assume that
> > > nowadays, I'm still making music the old fashioned way. I know
> > > it's not resetting because none of the presets are even close to 
> > > sounding like what the factory patch list says they should.  The 
> > > low C key is kinda wobbly & I'm wondering if it's not making good
> > > contact.  My poor K3 was gigged by a previous owner, I'm glad it
> > > works as well at it does.