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Hi all,

has anybody used the JoeMeek VC6Q? I have read some good reports about it
and I have a good price, but before I buy I thought I'd ask here.

I will be using it mainly for vox, acoustic guitar, electric and bass (in
that order of usage..) I know of its sound and I already own a Behringer
Composer Pro so if I need clean sounds I can use that. Is the VC6Q as is
sugessted in many reviews, suitable for vocals and acoustic guitar?? I do
want some colouration of the sound but I guess the core question is if this
colouration is controllable enough to be useful???

cheers in advance
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At 5:17 PM +0100 10/2/01, Mark at Enduser wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>has anybody used the JoeMeek VC6Q? I have read some good reports about it
>and I have a good price, but before I buy I thought I'd ask here.
>
>I will be using it mainly for vox, acoustic guitar, electric and bass (in
>that order of usage..) I know of its sound and I already own a Behringer
>Composer Pro so if I need clean sounds I can use that. Is the VC6Q as is
>sugessted in many reviews, suitable for vocals and acoustic guitar?? I do
>want some colouration of the sound but I guess the core question is if this
>colouration is controllable enough to be useful???
>
>cheers in advance

I have a Joe Meek VC3 and if I recall correctly from reading their 
website the preamp in that is the same as the one in the VC6Q.  I use 
it for vocals and pretty much everything else but it is definitely 
*not* a high end piece of gear.  You can get a reasonable sound out 
of it but finding that narrow little range where it is at its best is 
kind of a touchy business.  This was particularly brought home to me 
when I borrowed a Mindprint channel strip in the middle of this 
session to check it out,  the Mindprint was so much more forgiving it 
was ridiculous.

So in short the Joe Meek is usable but it can be harsh.  The enhancer 
is usually just about too harsh for anything IMHO.

  BTW I just ordered a Joe Meek VC2 after using one at a friends 
studio which is the top of their line as far as the channel strip 
type thingys go.  There is just no getting around the fact the 
expensive ones sound much better over a much broader range of 
applications than the cheap ones.

If I were you I would fork over the extra dollars and go for the VC1Q 
which is their mid range box.  The first stage of that is the same as 
the one in the VC2 and the VC2 is a stunning sounding box.  The 
difference between the VC1 and the VC2 is the VC2 has a tube output 
stage.
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                                 Dennis Gunn
                                 Mightyjohn@...

                  check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
                                                    info at
                        http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html

They look cool, I wish emagic makes a dedicated virtual synth
controller......

http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/2001/Z4-Z8.html

--- In logic-ot@y..., "Mark at Enduser" <mark@e...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> has anybody used the JoeMeek VC6Q? I have read some good reports 
about it
> and I have a good price, but before I buy I thought I'd ask here.
> 
> I will be using it mainly for vox, acoustic guitar, electric and 
bass (in
> that order of usage..) I know of its sound and I already own a 
Behringer
> Composer Pro so if I need clean sounds I can use that. Is the VC6Q 
as is
> sugessted in many reviews, suitable for vocals and acoustic guitar?? 
I do
> want some colouration of the sound but I guess the core question is 
if this
> colouration is controllable enough to be useful???

Hi Mark,
Have you also considered and listened to the RNC compressor? More at 
http://www.fmraudio.com/overview.html. I've compared it to and like it 
more than that Behringer you mention above. Just a suggestion at 
another very good compressor for it's value.
Yoonchi.

Dennis Gunn wrote:
> I have a Joe Meek VC3 and if I recall correctly from reading their
> website the preamp in that is the same as the one in the VC6Q...
><snip>
>...the Mindprint was so much more forgiving it
> was ridiculous.

Thanks for the comments Dennis - I'm in a quandry about what to do now! ; )
you have me looking about for a price on the mindprint Envoice now!

I was looking into getting an ART Pro Channel (mmm... variable mu
compression <slobber>) but that is way too expensive right now : (

Yoonchi wrote:
>Have you also considered and listened to the RNC compressor? More at
>http://www.fmraudio.com/overview.html. I've compared it to and like it
>more than that Behringer you mention above.

yep, I was very interested in that too, but I do want something with
character - the Behringer is pretty dull but its grand as a light duty
compressor and peak limiter. I'll get the RNC at a later stage! maybe two!

thanks for the help

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Dennis Gunn" <mightyjohn@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] JoeMeek VC6Q

Hi Mark,

I use the JoeMeek VC3, the VC6's baby brother with pretty much the same
technology and sound, and it sounds lovely. It does colour the sound,
but in a subtle and flattering way. One particular beauty of it is the
opto-compressor. I always use it on vocals, recorded through a Neumann
U87, for pre-converter compression, and even a substantial dose of
'squeeze' doesn't sound unnatural. Also great on acoustic guitar.
On the whole, the Joe Meek sounds a bit retro, but not exaggerated.
We're all used to the sound of warm esoteric gear on our favourite
albums, and the JoeMeek adds a little bit of that. You also get lots of
gain (and headroom) to drive your converters. Both the VC6 and the VC3
are definitely better than their retail prices suggest. Definitely a
good buy! However, if you are willing to spend more, go for the
company's top channel strip, the VC1. It is, admittedly, in a different
league. But the difference isn't all that great.

Cheers,

Recky

I went looking for the VC2 on the joe Meek site but couldnt find it! Can you
post a URL to it Dennis - really out of interest as if its over \ufffd1000 I will
not be buying it this side of Christmas : )

Thanks
--
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Consultant

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Dennis Gunn" <mightyjohn@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] JoeMeek VC6Q


> At 1:21 PM +0200 10/3/01, Recky Reck wrote:
> >Definitely a
> >good buy! However, if you are willing to spend more, go for the
> >company's top channel strip, the VC1.
>
>
> This is wrong actually, the VC2 is the top of their channel strip
> line and it is about twice the price of the VC1.
> --
>
>
>                                  Dennis Gunn
>                                  Mightyjohn@...
>
>                   check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
>                                                     info at
>                         http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

At 9:23 AM +0100 10/3/01, Mark at Enduser wrote:
>Dennis Gunn wrote:
>>  I have a Joe Meek VC3 and if I recall correctly from reading their
>>  website the preamp in that is the same as the one in the VC6Q...
>><snip>
>>...the Mindprint was so much more forgiving it
>>  was ridiculous.
>
>Thanks for the comments Dennis - I'm in a quandry about what to do now! ; )
>you have me looking about for a price on the mindprint Envoice now!

The mindprint was very nice but you indicated later that you were 
looking for a colored compression and that is *not* the feeling I got 
from the mind print's comp.  It worked beautifully but it was very 
*uncolored* in my subjective opinion.


>yep, I was very interested in that too, but I do want something with
>character -

I have an acquaintance who is a producer with a pretty amazing list 
of credits and who can definitely afford just about any preamp who 
raves about the Joe Meek VC1 series.  They are only slightly more 
expensive than the VC6Qs.  If I were you I would probably be checking 
those out.  On the other hand I do not have first hand experience 
with the VC1 series and I am not that blown away by my VC3.  Like I 
said though my friends VC2 sounded very nice to my ears.  Nicer in 
fact than his Avalon 737 and his Focusright Producers Pack.
-- 


                                 Dennis Gunn
                                 Mightyjohn@...

                  check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
                                                    info at
                        http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html

At 1:21 PM +0200 10/3/01, Recky Reck wrote:
>Definitely a
>good buy! However, if you are willing to spend more, go for the
>company's top channel strip, the VC1.


This is wrong actually, the VC2 is the top of their channel strip 
line and it is about twice the price of the VC1.
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                                 Dennis Gunn
                                 Mightyjohn@...

                  check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
                                                    info at
                        http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html

Nevermind, doh!

http://www.joemeek.net/joemeek/products/vc2manual.htm

:)
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Consultant

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark at Enduser" <mark@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] JoeMeek VC6Q


> I went looking for the VC2 on the joe Meek site but couldnt find it! Can
you
> post a URL to it Dennis - really out of interest as if its over \ufffd1000 I
will
> not be buying it this side of Christmas : )
>
> Thanks
> --
> Mark Lennox
> Consultant
>
> ENDUSER
> Guinness Enterprise Centre
> Taylor's Lane
> Dublin 8
> Ireland
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> e-mail : mark@...
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> direct : (+353 1) 4100 707
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis Gunn" <mightyjohn@...>
> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [L-OT] JoeMeek VC6Q
>
>
> > At 1:21 PM +0200 10/3/01, Recky Reck wrote:
> > >Definitely a
> > >good buy! However, if you are willing to spend more, go for the
> > >company's top channel strip, the VC1.
> >
> >
> > This is wrong actually, the VC2 is the top of their channel strip
> > line and it is about twice the price of the VC1.
> > --
> >
> >
> >                                  Dennis Gunn
> >                                  Mightyjohn@...
> >
> >                   check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
> >                                                     info at
> >                         http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

Yep, Dennis, you're right! Got my facts wrong...sorry!

Cheers,

Recky


Dennis Gunn wrote:

> At 1:21 PM +0200 10/3/01, Recky Reck wrote:
> >Definitely a
> >good buy! However, if you are willing to spend more, go for the
> >company's top channel strip, the VC1.
>
> This is wrong actually, the VC2 is the top of their channel strip
> line and it is about twice the price of the VC1.
> --
>
>                                  Dennis Gunn
>                                  Mightyjohn@...
>
>                   check out  MIGHTY JOHN HENRY's album "hot air head"
>                                                     info at
>                        http://www.twics.com/~mightyjo/home.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/