The Logic Off Topic list

> After following this thread about returning the V4 CD for a while, I
> just cannot resist asking: What kind of people throw away their Logic
> CD?
snip
> What if your computer dies and all your backups fail. In that case,
> your CD is the *only* thing that'll get you back on the road...
> 
> You don't throw away a book after you've finished reading it either,
> or do you?
>

Well, as we are going OT...

I think what people have been kinda dancing around here is this (f*ck
it, i'll say it, and they can come and sue me :-) )

It is *lots, lots, lots* more likely that someone who says they 'threw
away' their Logic update is actually one of the people that has obtained
a dodgy copy of a Logic updater and doesnt want to pay the full upgrade
price to Logic 5.

Personally, I doubt that anyone would be that stupid.
For a start some (but not all) of the update CDs required either a
previous installation of Logic Audio.
Also, I dont know anyone who is still running Windows 95 with Logic 4.5.

This means that anyone who bought (like me) Logic Audio back in 1996 (i
think) and has upgraded each time has also upgraded their OS. Each time
their OS is upgraded they need to do a fresh Logic install. This
requires (in my case) a copy of Logic V3.0, then V3.5, then V4.0, then
V4.5, then V4.8. Maybe one or two less, I dont remember exactly the
updates I needed... maybe I didnt need to install V4.5- i could just go
from V4.0 to V4.8... I stopped using Logic Windows a while back it all
gets hazy.. where is my wheelchair?

My point is though that the CD is *often required*.

I am not accusing anyone of anything but it doesnt look very likely to
me that someone would ever throw it away. Lose maybe... In fact I did
lose a Logic CD on the trip over from Australia to England. One of my
boxes went missing and I lost several original Logic CD's as well as
most of my original sample library, but I had backups and I was able to
get the XP installer for my little used Windows version that doesnt
require a previous version. 
If I hadnt bought a new copy of Logic Mac then I might be complaining
too.

 The thing here though is I agree, Jim. I simply cant credit that
someone can stand over a bin, after recently having installed Logic
Audio and saying 'I better chuck that out, coz I'll never need it
again'. Sounds like Bullshit, Smells like bullshit. Until given a more
convincing explanation... bullshit it will be, in my mind at least.

I'm a little over how much traffic its generated to be honest. Markus (I
think it was) has given an option to anyone who has *thrown out* their
CD. Lets hope the solution that is offered them includes some sort of
stupidity tax.

I've reread this email and I know it is sounding a bit on the harsh side
but... come on... it is just plain dumb to throw out a CD. Personally
even if I did throw out my Logic CD I dont think I'd tell anyone because
you'd all think I was a complete pillock.

James

> 
> Jim Offerman
> 
> www.jimofferman.nl
> www.mp3.com/jimofferman/

I updated my MacOs (better: I freshly installed) several times from 8.0 to
now 9.2.2.
I never needed to reinstall Logic (or ProTools or whatever). I have copies
of the files that I know are important (items installed in the system folder
by an application, but that\ufffds mainly my DAE folder with ProTools\ufffd plug-ins
and FX settings, NOTHING regarding Logic itself) and simply drag and drop
them after the new system install.
I even have at least the last 5 Logic versions completely on my harddisk
(what you would call "installed"), so I definitely don\ufffdt have to go back to
the installation CD. And I have backup CDs of my working partitions (I do
that maybe once a month, and I throw them away after about 6 months).

Don\ufffdt call that (or me) stupid!

If you\ufffdre on Windows I know it\ufffds different. But I\ufffdm not.

Peter
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http://www.merlinsound.de


----- Original Message -----

From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic CD?

Thank you!

Peter
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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Dennis Gunn" <dennisg@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:59 PM
Subject: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic CD?


> >  > After following this thread about returning the V4 CD for a while, I
> >>  just cannot resist asking: What kind of people throw away their Logic
> >>  CD?
> >snip
> >>  What if your computer dies and all your backups fail. In that case,
> >>  your CD is the *only* thing that'll get you back on the road...
> >>
> >>  You don't throw away a book after you've finished reading it either,
> >  > or do you?
> >>
> >
> >Well, as we are going OT...
> >
> >I think what people have been kinda dancing around here is this (f*ck
> >it, i'll say it, and they can come and sue me :-) )
> >
> >It is *lots, lots, lots* more likely that someone who says they 'threw
> >away' their Logic update is actually one of the people that has obtained
> >a dodgy copy of a Logic updater and doesnt want to pay the full upgrade
> >price to Logic 5.
> >
> >Personally, I doubt that anyone would be that stupid.
> >For a start some (but not all) of the update CDs required either a
> >previous installation of Logic Audio.
> >Also, I dont know anyone who is still running Windows 95 with Logic 4.5.
> >
> >This means that anyone who bought (like me) Logic Audio back in 1996 (i
> >think) and has upgraded each time has also upgraded their OS. Each time
> >their OS is upgraded they need to do a fresh Logic install. This
> >requires (in my case) a copy of Logic V3.0, then V3.5, then V4.0, then
> >V4.5, then V4.8. Maybe one or two less, I dont remember exactly the
> >updates I needed... maybe I didnt need to install V4.5- i could just go
> >from V4.0 to V4.8... I stopped using Logic Windows a while back it all
> >gets hazy.. where is my wheelchair?
> >
> >My point is though that the CD is *often required*.
> 
> None of this is true on the mac.

>  > After following this thread about returning the V4 CD for a while, I
>>  just cannot resist asking: What kind of people throw away their Logic
>>  CD?
>snip
>>  What if your computer dies and all your backups fail. In that case,
>>  your CD is the *only* thing that'll get you back on the road...
>>
>>  You don't throw away a book after you've finished reading it either,
>  > or do you?
>>
>
>Well, as we are going OT...
>
>I think what people have been kinda dancing around here is this (f*ck
>it, i'll say it, and they can come and sue me :-) )
>
>It is *lots, lots, lots* more likely that someone who says they 'threw
>away' their Logic update is actually one of the people that has obtained
>a dodgy copy of a Logic updater and doesnt want to pay the full upgrade
>price to Logic 5.
>
>Personally, I doubt that anyone would be that stupid.
>For a start some (but not all) of the update CDs required either a
>previous installation of Logic Audio.
>Also, I dont know anyone who is still running Windows 95 with Logic 4.5.
>
>This means that anyone who bought (like me) Logic Audio back in 1996 (i
>think) and has upgraded each time has also upgraded their OS. Each time
>their OS is upgraded they need to do a fresh Logic install. This
>requires (in my case) a copy of Logic V3.0, then V3.5, then V4.0, then
>V4.5, then V4.8. Maybe one or two less, I dont remember exactly the
>updates I needed... maybe I didnt need to install V4.5- i could just go
>from V4.0 to V4.8... I stopped using Logic Windows a while back it all
>gets hazy.. where is my wheelchair?
>
>My point is though that the CD is *often required*.

None of this is true on the mac.

>None of this is true on the mac.

Didnt say it was...

JR

Hi there, 

If you will properly read my post it refers exclusively to the PC, not
the Mac.
I am actually a Mac user and I do know how it works. Thanks.
Personally I use retrospect images on a file server and never need to
reinstall software either. One of the reasons I went to Mac in the first
place. 

I dont know if you are the original poster or not, but didnt it EVER
occur to you that you might need the CD?
What if... i dont know... your images became corrupt... yes every one of
them...?
What are you going to do then?

Throwing away original CD's is unwise, IMO. And now you know why.

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Duemmler [mailto:merlin@merlinsound.de]
Sent: 14 February 2002 16:57
To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic
CD?


I updated my MacOs (better: I freshly installed) several times from 8.0
to
now 9.2.2.
I never needed to reinstall Logic (or ProTools or whatever). I have
copies
of the files that I know are important (items installed in the system
folder
by an application, but that´s mainly my DAE folder with ProTools´
plug-ins
and FX settings, NOTHING regarding Logic itself) and simply drag and
drop
them after the new system install.
I even have at least the last 5 Logic versions completely on my harddisk
(what you would call "installed"), so I definitely don´t have to go back
to
the installation CD. And I have backup CDs of my working partitions (I
do
that maybe once a month, and I throw them away after about 6 months).

Don´t call that (or me) stupid!

If you´re on Windows I know it´s different. But I´m not.

Peter
---
http://www.merlinsound.de


----- Original Message -----
From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic CD?


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> I'm a little over how much traffic its generated to be honest. Markus (I
> think it was) has given an option to anyone who has *thrown out* their
> CD. Lets hope the solution that is offered them includes some sort of
> stupidity tax.
> 
> I've reread this email and I know it is sounding a bit on the harsh side
> but... come on... it is just plain dumb to throw out a CD. Personally
> even if I did throw out my Logic CD I dont think I'd tell anyone because
> you'd all think I was a complete pillock.
> 
> James

I think you are being unnecessarily harsh to be honest, James!

I've just in a bit of a panic gone through my cupboard looking for a disk
which I haven't had to use in years - I'm okay 'cause I've found it - but
these things are easy to mislay or lose or to scratch and then bin or
whatever - but as a registered user, with dongle, I never really considered
I'd ever need it again to be honest.

Denis is right - Mac users are used to only rarely having to re-install from
a CD.  I've transferred Logic from my old 8600 to my current G4 last year
using ethernet.  The only time I've ever had to re-install from a CD was
when a virus altered an old version of Logic and I couldn't use the updater
- and then I used one of my back-up CD's I make of all my music apps from
time to time.

I hope Markus has a sensible and reasonable solution for Peter (and any
others like him).

best,

pk

>I dont know if you are the original poster or not, but didnt it EVER
>occur to you that you might need the CD?

No.

>What if... i dont know... your images became corrupt... yes every one of
>them...?

Sorry, that\ufffds a stupid question. That won\ufffdt happen.

>Throwing away original CD's is unwise, IMO. And now you know why.

Now.
They should have clearly stated from the beginning that the CD is required
for updating as I said before and I surely would have not thrown it away.

Peter
---
http://www.merlinsound.de

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <merlin@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:07 PM
Subject: RE: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic CD?

WOw!

I am being tempted to go to the dark side! 8^) Being able to (un)install by
moving a directory is heaven!

I cant see this being the situation under OSX however being that it has a
BSD kernel...

besides, I cant afford a Mac (plus the fact that I couldnt find a crack for
LAMP5.0 tee hee hee :-) ). I cant afford toast right now :-(

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you've got it all!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Duemmler" <merlin@...>
To: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>;
<logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic CD?


> >I dont know if you are the original poster or not, but didnt it EVER
> >occur to you that you might need the CD?
>
> No.
>
> >What if... i dont know... your images became corrupt... yes every one of
> >them...?
>
> Sorry, that\ufffds a stupid question. That won\ufffdt happen.
>
> >Throwing away original CD's is unwise, IMO. And now you know why.
>
> Now.
> They should have clearly stated from the beginning that the CD is required
> for updating as I said before and I surely would have not thrown it away.
>
> Peter
> ---
> http://www.merlinsound.de
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **" <richmondj@...>
> To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
> Cc: <merlin@...>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic CD?
>
>
>
>
>
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>

>Hi there,
>
>If you will properly read my post it refers exclusively to the PC, not
>the Mac.
>I am actually a Mac user and I do know how it works. Thanks.
>Personally I use retrospect images on a file server and never need to
>reinstall software either. One of the reasons I went to Mac in the first
>place.
>
>I dont know if you are the original poster or not, but didnt it EVER
>occur to you that you might need the CD?
>What if... i dont know... your images became corrupt... yes every one of
>them...?
>What are you going to do then?
>
>Throwing away original CD's is unwise, IMO. And now you know why.
>
I am not the original poster.  But the fact is that since the system 
is different for Mac users I imagine there will be lots people who 
find themselves up the crick without ever understanding that they had 
done something wrong.  As it happens I still have my CD.  But it 
could have gone the other way pretty easily.

From another thread:

"To shorten this topic: Everybody who LOST his V4 CD, please send me an
email
privately.

MMM
-- 
Markus Fritze
Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>
Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS"

-- Jeremy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Gunn [mailto:dennisg@...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:21 PM
> To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic
> CD?
> 
> I am not the original poster.  But the fact is that since the system 
> is different for Mac users I imagine there will be lots people who 
> find themselves up the crick without ever understanding that they had 
> done something wrong.  As it happens I still have my CD.  But it 
> could have gone the other way pretty easily.

Hi, 

> Sorry, that´s a stupid question. That won´t happen.
>

Nice of you to be able to see into the future there, boyo.
Listen, I have seen some very strange things happen in my time.
A few weeks ago we had a directors hard disk and his backup server 
lose all of his data. The DLT drive was slightly out of whack and the 
tapes were not readeable, thanks to a junior tech being a bit sleepy. 
These things happen.
The thing is here though that you are simply being intractable and 
stubbron so I'll let you keep going here.
 
> >Throwing away original CD's is unwise, IMO. And now you know why.
> 
> Now.
> They should have clearly stated from the beginning that the CD is 
required
> for updating as I said before and I surely would have not thrown it 
away.
> 
Right... sure.. fine.
Enjoy...

James

> I am not the original poster.  But the fact is that since the 
system 
> is different for Mac users I imagine there will be lots people who 
> find themselves up the crick without ever understanding that they 
had 
> done something wrong.  As it happens I still have my CD.  But it 
> could have gone the other way pretty easily.

Sure, fine. Interestingly I pointed out that I no longer have an 
original PC V4.0 as I lost it on the trip over from Australia but 
Peter seems to ignore that...
Also, Emagic will probably have a work around for this. 
I still think that throwing away the original installer for a piece 
of software you paid a fortune for is unlikely, and dumb, regardless 
of the install method of your chosen platform.
People will disagree for sure. 
I bite my tongue on this list a lot, some of the shit that is spoken 
here really has me shaking my head sometimes.

Tell me... does anyone rip their CD's to hard disk and throw away the 
CD?
Still smells like bullshit to me..

JR

Maybe you are still posting about this because I forgot to include his email
address in my first post?

Markus Fritze [mfritze@...]

Again.... from another thread..............

"To shorten this topic: Everybody who LOST his V4 CD, please send me an
email privately.

MMM
-- 
Markus Fritze
Emagic Soft- und Hardware GmbH <http://www.emagic.de>
Chief Developer New Technology Integration, Mac OS"



-- Jeremy

> -----Original Message-----
> From: lotusmajordomo [mailto:richmondj@...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:34 PM
> To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [L-OT] Re: OT What kind of people throw away their Logic CD?
> 
> 
> > I am not the original poster.  But the fact is that since the 
> system 
> > is different for Mac users I imagine there will be lots people who 
> > find themselves up the crick without ever understanding that they 
> had 
> > done something wrong.  As it happens I still have my CD.  But it 
> > could have gone the other way pretty easily.
> 
> Sure, fine. Interestingly I pointed out that I no longer have an 
> original PC V4.0 as I lost it on the trip over from Australia but 
> Peter seems to ignore that...
> Also, Emagic will probably have a work around for this. 
> I still think that throwing away the original installer for a piece 
> of software you paid a fortune for is unlikely, and dumb, regardless 
> of the install method of your chosen platform.
> People will disagree for sure. 
> I bite my tongue on this list a lot, some of the shit that is spoken 
> here really has me shaking my head sometimes.
> 
> Tell me... does anyone rip their CD's to hard disk and throw away the 
> CD?
> Still smells like bullshit to me..
> 
> JR