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Hi There,

I need to buy a good stereo microphone. I'm recording some live jazz
quartets and trios. I currently have a cheap audio technica which actually
does a good job but is battery powered and has bad noise floor etc...

I need a mic that can be phantom powered preferably and which can pick up
everything from double bass to sizzle cymbals.

Anybody have any good suggestions?

I was also considering going with an M-S matrix, but I am recording straight
to MD (I know, but its far from a paying job..) and one of the Spirit
potable mixers (ie. only four input channels and two stereos with phono
inputs...) . If I do decide to go with the M-S what would be a good figure
eight microphone?

I already have a RODE NT1 which works great for a 'center' microphone.

ANybody have any experience recording live with a minimal mic setup (I
should add its a small room and mic placement cannot be in the audience,
they get rowdy... :) )

cheers
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Technical Consultant
ENDUSER
Suite 40
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Taylors Lane
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AKG has a great MS mic..

From: "Mark Lennox" <mark@...>
Reply-To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:18:40 -0000
To: "Logic OT" <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [L-OT] OT: Stereo microphone


Hi There,

I need to buy a good stereo microphone. I'm recording some live jazz
quartets and trios. I currently have a cheap audio technica which actually
does a good job but is battery powered and has bad noise floor etc...

I need a mic that can be phantom powered preferably and which can pick up
everything from double bass to sizzle cymbals.

Anybody have any good suggestions?

I was also considering going with an M-S matrix, but I am recording straight
to MD (I know, but its far from a paying job..) and one of the Spirit
potable mixers (ie. only four input channels and two stereos with phono
inputs...) . If I do decide to go with the M-S what would be a good figure
eight microphone?

I already have a RODE NT1 which works great for a 'center' microphone.

ANybody have any experience recording live with a minimal mic setup (I
should add its a small room and mic placement cannot be in the audience,
they get rowdy... :) )

cheers
--
Mark Lennox
Technical Consultant
ENDUSER
Suite 40
Guinness Enterprise Centre
Taylors Lane
Dublin 8
Ireland
Tel: +353 1 4100 665
Fax: +353 1 4100 985
web: http://www.enduser.com
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> AKG has a great MS mic..

bit too expensive for me at $4,500, but thanks for the pointer (I would like
to have it, mmmmm)

I had a look around and the Project Studios c3 does a figure eight. I was
going to buy this one anyhow so I think I'll go with that for the Side
signal and use my RodeNT1 as the mid.

Found a link to a site that shows how to do M-S with three channels and a
special splitter cable, not sure yet how to handle the phantom power
issue...

http://www.modernrecording.com/articles/soundav/link2.html

Has anyone noticed how addictive it is to record bands in a live situation
with a minimum amount of mics? Multitracking can be a real drag as you keep
putting off decisions until later (coz you can...), its a nice change having
to make decisions there and then :)

--
Mark Lennox
Technical Consultant
ENDUSER
Suite 40
Guinness Enterprise Centre
Taylors Lane
Dublin 8
Ireland
Tel: +353 1 4100 665
Fax: +353 1 4100 985
web: http://www.enduser.com
--

I've get passable results using a few PZM's to pick up the general ambient
sound. Should be ok to record into mini disc.
Cheers

John

Groovey Band website             mail to : chickenjohn@...
http://www.grooveyband.co.uk/

East Kent Morris Minor Club web site    or  ; john@...
http://www.ekmm.co.uk

Shake The Snake web site (other band)   or  ; john@...
http://www.shakethesnake.co.uk


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lennox" <mark@...>
To: "Logic OT" <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 28 March 2002 14:18
Subject: [L-OT] OT: Stereo microphone


> Hi There,
>
> I need to buy a good stereo microphone. I'm recording some live jazz
> quartets and trios. I currently have a cheap audio technica which actually
> does a good job but is battery powered and has bad noise floor etc...
>
> I need a mic that can be phantom powered preferably and which can pick up
> everything from double bass to sizzle cymbals.
>
> Anybody have any good suggestions?
>
> I was also considering going with an M-S matrix, but I am recording
straight

> to MD (I know, but its far from a paying job..) and one of the Spirit
> potable mixers (ie. only four input channels and two stereos with phono
> inputs...) . If I do decide to go with the M-S what would be a good figure
> eight microphone?
>
> I already have a RODE NT1 which works great for a 'center' microphone.
>
> ANybody have any experience recording live with a minimal mic setup (I
> should add its a small room and mic placement cannot be in the audience,
> they get rowdy... :) )
>
> cheers
> --
> Mark Lennox
> Technical Consultant
> ENDUSER
> Suite 40
> Guinness Enterprise Centre
> Taylors Lane
> Dublin 8
> Ireland
> Tel: +353 1 4100 665
> Fax: +353 1 4100 985
> web: http://www.enduser.com
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

Hi,

I´m sorry to say, but MD-Recording for Jazz is far away from
professional recording. (Compression, you know...)

My advice would be to invest in good DAT-Recorder.
There is a good one from Tascam, the DAP 1.
Its a portable one, has 2 XLR-Inputs(mic or Line) with Phantom
Power, Digital I/O for dumping to CD or into a
Computer system. 
I know, its a bit expensive, but its worth the money!

My microphone advice for doing stereo Recording, with
a small budget is.

1. Buy a Neumann KM 120 with figure of 8
   or a AKG C414 (thats more flexible, because you can use
   it somewhere else, because it has more patterns, too.)

2. Buy a Neumann Stereo-Pair, KM 184 Cardioid.
   You can use it A-B, XY, ORTF, ......a.s.on
   (BTW-its excellent sounding)

3. By a second Rhode NT1 and do XY, AB-how you wish


4. Beyerdynamic has a stereo mic too. Called MCE 82, i think.
   But i don´t know how it sounds. Its cheap! It is battary powered.

i hope thats something for you,

greetings from vienna,

René Kornfeld


***************************
sound:art suite
digital recording manufacture
Vienna

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Von: res0934j <res0934j@...>
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Datum: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:14:40 -0800
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Betreff: Re: [L-OT] OT: Stereo microphone


AKG has a great MS mic..

From: "Mark Lennox" <mark@...>
Reply-To: logic-ot@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:18:40 -0000
To: "Logic OT" <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [L-OT] OT: Stereo microphone


Hi There,

I need to buy a good stereo microphone. I'm recording some live jazz
quartets and trios. I currently have a cheap audio technica which actually
does a good job but is battery powered and has bad noise floor etc...

I need a mic that can be phantom powered preferably and which can pick up
everything from double bass to sizzle cymbals.

Anybody have any good suggestions?

I was also considering going with an M-S matrix, but I am recording straight
to MD (I know, but its far from a paying job..) and one of the Spirit
potable mixers (ie. only four input channels and two stereos with phono
inputs...) . If I do decide to go with the M-S what would be a good figure
eight microphone?

I already have a RODE NT1 which works great for a 'center' microphone.

ANybody have any experience recording live with a minimal mic setup (I
should add its a small room and mic placement cannot be in the audience,
they get rowdy... :) )

cheers
--
Mark Lennox
Technical Consultant
ENDUSER
Suite 40
Guinness Enterprise Centre
Taylors Lane
Dublin 8
Ireland
Tel: +353 1 4100 665
Fax: +353 1 4100 985
web: http://www.enduser.com
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> I\ufffdm sorry to say, but MD-Recording for Jazz is far away from
> professional recording. (Compression, you know...)

its not bad though. It works for the application. I'll post some samples up
somewhere in a few weeks maybe. Capturing the bass is the biggest problem
and then there is the issue of the saxophinist moving about and turning
around, but hey that comes with the territory

> My advice would be to invest in good DAT-Recorder.
> There is a good one from Tascam, the DAP 1.
> I know, its a bit expensive, but its worth the money!

yeah, looked at this but cant afford it yet :-(

>AKG C414 (thats more flexible, because you can use
> it somewhere else, because it has more patterns, too.)

Which is the best model to go with the 414ULS or 414TL??

I'll have to manage along with what I have until I can afford more
microphones and then a better portable recording solution. Right now I have
to lug (excuse the pun)  my computer and gear to the location to record. The
mobile setup I have now allows me to put everything I need in a guitar gig
bag and walk to the location.

If you are interested the setup I have decided on is:
M-S matrix:
Project Studios c3 for a figure eight Side microphone
Rode NT1 for mid mic
then some close mics (maybe another RodeNT1) for other instruments if
necessary

Thanks to all who replied

--
Mark Lennox
Technical Consultant
ENDUSER
Suite 40
Guinness Enterprise Centre
Taylors Lane
Dublin 8
Ireland
Tel: +353 1 4100 665
Fax: +353 1 4100 985
web: http://www.enduser.com
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Field recording...?

check this site out

http://www.sonicstudios.com/

Hi Mark

> 
> I had a look around and the Project Studios c3 does a figure eight. I was
> going to buy this one anyhow so I think I'll go with that for the Side
> signal and use my RodeNT1 as the mid.

My £155 RedAudio 5 also does figure 8 and is producing some good results
generally.

I have done a lot of stereo recording recently - everything from power trio
to clarinet quartet to accoustic guitar duo - with 2 AKG C100S in a spaced
array and an AKG C3000B as a spot mic. I still user my good old Tandy PZM
for ambience sometimes.

Tony Thompson

Hi

Have you checked out the new rode NT4 ??

It has 2 capsules mounted as a coincident pair.
Seems like it would do exactly what you want.

I have never tried them as they are new, but they are plastered all over the magazines and web sites in AU and are getting rave reviews.

regards
LjGarrett

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mark Lennox 
  To: Logic OT 
  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 1:18 AM
  Subject: [L-OT] OT: Stereo microphone


  Hi There,

  I need to buy a good stereo microphone. I'm recording some live jazz
  quartets and trios. I currently have a cheap audio technica which actually
  does a good job but is battery powered and has bad noise floor etc...

  I need a mic that can be phantom powered preferably and which can pick up
  everything from double bass to sizzle cymbals.

  Anybody have any good suggestions?

  I was also considering going with an M-S matrix, but I am recording straight
  to MD (I know, but its far from a paying job..) and one of the Spirit
  potable mixers (ie. only four input channels and two stereos with phono
  inputs...) . If I do decide to go with the M-S what would be a good figure
  eight microphone?

  I already have a RODE NT1 which works great for a 'center' microphone.

  ANybody have any experience recording live with a minimal mic setup (I
  should add its a small room and mic placement cannot be in the audience,
  they get rowdy... :) )

  cheers
  --
  Mark Lennox
  Technical Consultant
  ENDUSER
  Suite 40
  Guinness Enterprise Centre
  Taylors Lane
  Dublin 8
  Ireland
  Tel: +353 1 4100 665
  Fax: +353 1 4100 985
  web: http://www.enduser.com
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