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Thanks for your message, Ade.

>A significant number of Israeli's are as appalled as you are by
>what's going on. How do you know Waves isn't staffed by such people?

Yes, there are some Israelis and American Jews who have stood up against this 
naked aggression. However, the majority of Americans and Israelis support 
these war crimes by recent polls. And I can turn this around and say that I 
haven't seen any statement of condemnation for the killings/destruction from 
the Waves company, we can therefore assume they are not against it. Many 
companies make political statements when there is any question of their 
loyalties. Perhaps Waves will stand up for basic principles of humanity.

>If you really want to voice your dissent, more effective means of
>protest do exist. Unhappily, not buying a plug-in comes fairly low
>down the list.

Of course I agree. Thats why I have attended some pro-Palestinian rallies 
here in the US - which included other Americans and even a few Jews. But 
every day that goes on, is another day that 5,000 men are being starved and 
tortured without access to lawyers or international oversight  - another day 
that millions of people are under 24 hour curfew with no running water making 
sure to stay away from window lest an IDF sniper get you, and thousands of 
women and children are living in homeless conditions without even mattresses 
to sleep on. Its very frustrating sitting here with no way to stop a 
humanitarian crisis. 

>However, for starters, you might try here -
>http://www.amnesty.org/actnow/index.html 

Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.  I clicked on the "Israel / Occupied 
Territories : Urgent Action Needed" but got something about torture in 
Australia one time, and a blank screen other times. Actually I have not heard 
very much condemnation from Amnesty Interational - perhaps their comments are 
filtered out of the US media, or perhaps its the fact that no one is allowed 
to speak to the 5,000 prisoners or even get into the destroyed refugee camps 
to count the corpses. However, i would expect a little more vocal protest 
from them.

You can check this one out :
              http://www.freepalestinecampaign.org/

Where comes the quote :
"I am a black South African, and if I were to change the names, a description 
of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank could describe 
events in South Africa." —Archbishop Desmond Tutu, during Christmas visit to 
Jerusalem, December 25, 1989 (Ha'aretz; cited in Palestine Perspectives, 
January/February 1990)

Hi all,

I've been having nothing but problems with my firewire drives. I only 
use them for backups, samplecollections and bouncing not for 
audioplayback. My problem is that half of the time they will not show 
up when booting, I usually have to restart the computer several times 
before they show up on the desktop. My Mac setup is G4 500 MP, MacOS 
9.1,  4 Lacie firewire drives in serial.

Any hints greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Bob
-- 
Bob Lowen
Antwerp, Belgium

Email: rlow@...

--- In logic-ot@y..., Bob Lowen <rlow@r...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been having nothing but problems with my firewire drives. 
---

do you have the latest firewire update from apple? thats about 
the only thing i can think of...

andy

>Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.  I clicked on the "Israel /
Occupied
>Territories : Urgent Action Needed" but got something about torture in
>Australia one time, and a blank screen other times.

   Err...    Actually torturing people is frowned upon here in Australia  .
Amnesty International is a fine organisation which occasionally gets it's
knickers in a knot and if they think to compare Oz with Israel,Syria,Saudi
Arabia ,Iraq[n] ,Turkey et al then they are sadly misinformed .
 Stupidity is generally discouraged at the ballot box here ,maybe they
should try it there  .Occasionally we get it wrong but fortunately religious
leaders dont really have too much say in gov. policy , the only downside of
not listening to religious relics is they have too much time to think of
little boys bums , but these days the courts are taking care of that .
                                                      Rock on
                                                          Paul

I'm sorry I didn't mean to imply there was any torture going on in Australia 
- there was some mention of Austrialia.

>>Thanks for the link. I'll check it out.  I clicked on the "Israel /
>Occupied
>>Territories : Urgent Action Needed" but got something about torture in
>>Australia one time, and a blank screen other times.
>
>   Err...    Actually torturing people is frowned upon here in Australia
> .
>Amnesty International is a fine organisation which occasionally gets it's
>knickers in a knot and if they think to compare Oz with Israel,Syria,Saudi
>Arabia ,Iraq[n] ,Turkey et al then they are sadly misinformed .
> Stupidity is generally discouraged at the ballot box here ,maybe they
>should try it there  .Occasionally we get it wrong but fortunately religious
>leaders dont really have too much say in gov. policy , the only downside
>of
>not listening to religious relics is they have too much time to think of
>little boys bums , but these days the courts are taking care of that .