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Mark Lennox wrote:

>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52665,00.html
>
Highly interesting, thanks!!

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>Mark Lennox wrote:
>
>>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52665,00.html
>>
>Highly interesting, thanks!!
>

Hi,

it seems some of us missed that article (in german, but with illustrations!)
http://www.chip.de/praxis_wissen/praxis_wissen_8725919.html

Yours

(BTW: Who would buy a celine d. album anyway??? ;-)

Thanks Tobias,
I tried posting that link before and it wouldnt work for folks.... came
through a Babelfish translation as - nicht sprechen deutsche!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tobias Seyb" <tobias.seyb@...>
To: <logic-ot@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [L-OT] OT : CD protection (redux)


> >Mark Lennox wrote:
> >
> >>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52665,00.html
> >>
> >Highly interesting, thanks!!
> >
>
> Hi,
>
> it seems some of us missed that article (in german, but with
illustrations!)

> http://www.chip.de/praxis_wissen/praxis_wissen_8725919.html
>
> Yours
>
> (BTW: Who would buy a celine d. album anyway??? ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

>Thanks Tobias,
>I tried posting that link before and it wouldnt work for folks.... came
>through a Babelfish translation as - nicht sprechen deutsche!

Hi,

if some are really interested, I could give a very short english summary.

Yours

Tobias

Tobias wrote:

>if some are really interested, I could give a very short english summary.

Yes please.

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>Tobias wrote:
>
>>if some are really interested, I could give a very short english summary.
>
>Yes please.
>

I'm also "really" interested.  I use a Mac to listen to most of my 
CDs and I'm really burned up about this new trend.  I'd love to bust 
'em with a magic marker!
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Doug

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OK.

Choose this URL for the illustration:

http://www.chip.de/praxis_wissen/unterseite_praxis_wissen_8725967.html

free translation:

Look for  the 2mm line/gap on the back side of the CD.
Cover the gab and part of the outermost track (the one containing bogus
data) with a marker pen without touching the last audio track. Use a ruler.

Try out. If it doesn´t work, the drawn line might not cover the whole gap,
or it might touch the audio area. It´s a matter of 1/10ths of a millimeter.
Wipe away the "pro-copy-bar" and correct.


***

There´s another method using self-adhesive stickers, but I think the marker
method ist easier and less dangerous (imagine the sticker blocking the CD
drive)

Please tell me if it works. I can´t try it out, because I own no Celine
Dion-CDs or similar ;-)

Yours

Tobias

Probably an easy one for anyone using Windows, but coming from a Mac 
I just about know how to start an application and not much more... 
(and I've carefully & successfully tried to remain that ignorant for 
years :-).

How do you associate a certain file extension with a certain 
application under Windows?  I.e. just like *.doc files are "known" by 
the system to belong to MS Word for example.  I suppose there's a 
Control Panel or whatever that takes care of such associations, 
right?  Or is this something the application itself has to take care 
of somehow?

Thanks in advance...  Feel free to mail me privately btw, since this 
is _really_ OT, even for the OT-list...

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I wrote:

>How do you associate a certain file extension with a certain
>application under Windows?

... and already got an answer...  No need to reply anymore...

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Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

> I wrote:
> 
> >How do you associate a certain file extension with a certain
> >application under Windows?
> 
> ... and already got an answer...  No need to reply anymore...
> 
> -- 
> Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
> Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html


Just incase anyone else is wondering the answer, or if someone actually
searches the message archives in the future wondering this same
question..... All you have to do is hold down shift, right click the file
you want to associate, choose "Open With", choose the right program from the
list (or click 'other' and choose whatever program you want), and tick the
'Always use this program to open files of this type' box.

Thoughts from the mind of Tobias Seyb, 21-05-2002:

>Choose this URL for the illustration:
>
>http://www.chip.de/praxis_wissen/unterseite_praxis_wissen_8725967.html
>
>free translation:
>
>Look for  the 2mm line/gap on the back side of the CD.
>Cover the gab and part of the outermost track (the one containing bogus
>data) with a marker pen without touching the last audio track. Use a ruler.
>
>Try out. If it doesn´t work, the drawn line might not cover the whole gap,
>or it might touch the audio area. It´s a matter of 1/10ths of a millimeter.
>Wipe away the "pro-copy-bar" and correct.

Here's another link, in English this time...

http://webcenter.newssearch.netscape.com/aolns_display.adp?key=200205201308000270271_aolns.src

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Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

>
>Here's another link, in English this time...
>
><http://webcenter.newssearch.netscape.com/aolns_display.adp?key=200205201308000270271_aolns.src>http://webcenter.newssearch.netscape.com/aolns_display.adp?key=200205201308000270271_aolns.src
>
>--
>Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
>Omega Art: 
><http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html>http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html
>

	Thanks Jan.  The only CD I have in the house that has this 
protection belongs to my daughter.  She told me I could borrow it but 
I didn't mention that I was going to color on it.  :-)  I'm working 
up the courage to try this on one of her favorite CDs to test this 
method.  I hope it will still play on her boom box after I scribble 
on the rim.  <G>
-- 
Doug

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Hi, fellow CD.-copiers,

it seems SONY made the next step. According to german and austrian sources
they make the small gap invisible since january.

I just read that informing about methods to crack a copy protection is
forbidden by law in the US.
So DON�T read http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ghi-24.05.02-000/ (it�s
in german anyway)

As citizens of the still free countries in europe, we will keep our
american friends informed ;-)
But don�t forget to delete our mails after reading...


Yours,

Tobias

Thoughts from the mind of Tobias Seyb, 27-05-2002:

>I just read that informing about methods to crack a copy protection is
>forbidden by law in the US.
>So DON´T read http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ghi-24.05.02-000/ (it´s
>in german anyway)
>
>As citizens of the still free countries in europe, we will keep our
>american friends informed ;-)
>But don´t forget to delete our mails after reading...

I read your mail with my eyes closed.  Does that count as well?

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Hendrik Jan Veenstra  <h@...>
Omega Art: http://www.ision.nl/users/h/index.html

>Thoughts from the mind of Tobias Seyb, 27-05-2002:
>
>>I just read that informing about methods to crack a copy protection is
>>forbidden by law in the US.
>>So DON´T read http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/ghi-24.05.02-000/ (it´s
>>in german anyway)
>>
>>As citizens of the still free countries in europe, we will keep our
>>american friends informed ;-)
>>But don´t forget to delete our mails after reading...
>
>I read your mail with my eyes closed.  Does that count as well?
>

Hmmm...

...very doubtful, as the U.S. justice does her job with closed eyes, too!

Toby

>Thoughts from the mind of Tobias Seyb, 27-05-2002:
>
>>I just read that informing about methods to crack a copy protection is
>  >forbidden by law in the US.
\
Interesting concept but I wonder if such a law will actually stand up 
when it is put to the test in court.  I am betting it won't.

Dennis Gunn wrote:

>>Thoughts from the mind of Tobias Seyb, 27-05-2002:
>>
>>>I just read that informing about methods to crack a copy protection is
>>>      
>>>
>> >forbidden by law in the US.
>>    
>>
>\
>Interesting concept but I wonder if such a law will actually stand up 
>when it is put to the test in court.  I am betting it won't.
>
There's a trial going on right now related to "cracking" copyright 
protection. The legislation seems to work and US justice is doing a 
proper job on this. Obviously the copyrigth related industries are only 
sueing serious infringements. I don't think they'll sue publishers for 
publishing the tricks on how to remove copyright protection if it's just 
a simple tip like what has been discussed here. That tip has just been 
announced in an official music magazine in Germany: Musikwoche:
http://www.mediabiz.de/newsvoll.afp?Nnr=114841&Biz=musicbiz&Premium=N&Navi=00000000&T=1

There is good European legislation on this as well, it's just that the 
European member states haven't ratified the copyright directive yet. :-(

Cheers,
Joeri

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Hi Tobias,

>I just read that informing about methods to crack a copy protection is
>forbidden by law in the US.

This is not entirely correct.

But in any case ... just because some fools in the US Congress (of which 
there are many, unfortunately) decide to pass a stupid law of some kind, 
this does not automatically mean that the US courts are in any way obliged 
to agree to enforcing that stupid law.

>As citizens of the still free countries in europe, we will keep our
>american friends informed ;-)
Very glad to be kept informed. Please keep doing so. Personally, I find the 
whole thing absurd and a cause for wry amusement, but that's probably just me

As for the "still free countries in europe" ... well ... I am myself a 
still-hoping-to-be-free-one-day-very-soon citizen of an un-named but 
not-yet-free country in Europe. Just which particular European country do 
you reside in that has managed to be a "still free country in Europe"? With 
my EC passport it should be no problem for me to migrate there immediately. 
Along with my religion and my race and my ethnicity.

>But don´t forget to delete our mails after reading...
Man but this high-level security top secrecy stuff is incredibly exciting. 
Giving me a real rush.

Must go now .... got lots of swift deleting to do ... I hear some rather 
loud knocking at my door!!!

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