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Why don't you just run System 9.2? I have a new Titanium Powerbook, and I run 
both - although not at the same time of course.

>I've had thoughts about buying an iBook based portable studio with a
>Firewire 8 audio input device (MOTU828).
>And I'm even going to move from PC to do this (because I like Logic much
>more than PC/windoze)
>but...........
>

Tazman,
the point is that it would be really great to get everything from one
company! It would, I hope give the stabillity and reliabillity advantages of
a hardware recorder with the flexibillity of a software sequencer.

OSX has (or will soon) have audio & midi built into the OS, and if Emagic
now being part of Mac could take full advantage of this- then what a
sequencer that would be!!

J

-----Original Message-----
From: TazmnianDv@... [mailto:TazmnianDv@...]


Why don't you just run System 9.2? I have a new Titanium Powerbook, and I
run
both - although not at the same time of course.

>I've had thoughts about buying an iBook based portable studio with a
>Firewire 8 audio input device (MOTU828).
>And I'm even going to move from PC to do this (because I like Logic much
>more than PC/windoze)
>but...........
>

--

Don't be too sure about this.
What you may win on stability/reliability you may lose on improvement 
and business competition + higher prizes. Look at eg. Digidesign.

Ewald

--- In logic-ot@y..., "John Matthews" <Groovey@b...> wrote:
> Tazman,
> the point is that it would be really great to get everything from 
one
> company! It would, I hope give the stabillity and reliabillity 
advantages of
> a hardware recorder with the flexibillity of a software sequencer.

>Don't be too sure about this.
>What you may win on stability/reliability you may lose on improvement
>and business competition + higher prizes. Look at eg. Digidesign.

Well, OK, look at digidesign.  In terms of audio quality the HD 
system is pretty much the undisputed master of the universe right now.

Yes, but companies like Steinberg and Emagic provided over the past 
years affordable, comparable and workable solutions for musicians at 
a lower price level. And due to open standards (like VST) you have a 
broad product choice.

My worry is that Emagic will go the Digidesign route:
own standards, less integratable with 3d party products,
higher prices,
diminished platform comptability,
and ultimately losing ground against other competitors (especially 
Steinberg).

And I'm looking at this purely from the (Emagic)user perspective: the 
user who has invested time and money in Emagic products and now finds 
him/herself in restriction of choices.
And this is what already is going on now and might get worse over 
time if you decide to stick with Emagic.

Ewald

--- In logic-ot@y..., Dennis Gunn <dennisg@a...> wrote:
> >Don't be too sure about this.
> >What you may win on stability/reliability you may lose on 
improvement
> >and business competition + higher prizes. Look at eg. Digidesign.
> 
> Well, OK, look at digidesign.  In terms of audio quality the HD 
> system is pretty much the undisputed master of the universe right 
now.

>Yes, but companies like Steinberg and Emagic provided over the past
>years affordable, comparable and workable solutions for musicians at
>a lower price level. And due to open standards (like VST) you have a
>broad product choice.
>
>My worry is that Emagic will go the Digidesign route:
>own standards, less integratable with 3d party products,
>higher prices,
>diminished platform comptability,
>and ultimately losing ground against other competitors (especially
>Steinberg).

Don't worry.  VST is not going anywhere.  My understanding is that it 
is already a part of OSX.   The only thing that kind of bugs me is 
that there is not yet any kind of "wrapper" to make old VST functions 
work in OSX with out having a little work done on them.   Old OS 9.xx 
plugs have to have (what I am told is a trivial) operation done on 
them to make their graphics compatible with OSX.  It will be 
interesting to see what happens with audio units.  It sounds like 
there are a lot of plugins that have already been ported.

>And I'm looking at this purely from the (Emagic)user perspective: the
>user who has invested time and money in Emagic products and now finds
>him/herself in restriction of choices.
>And this is what already is going on now and might get worse over
>time if you decide to stick with Emagic.

Yes I would like to know the future too.  But I don't.  One thing I 
do know is that there is enough competition out there to assure that 
things will be getting better not worse.

One thing is do see that is getting worse is the tendency of people 
to bottom quote.  Truly annoying.

At 11:38 Uhr +0200 21.07.2002, Dennis Gunn wrote:

>Don't worry.  VST is not going anywhere.  My understanding is that it
>is already a part of OSX.   [...]

No. There is no VST in X, and plugs have to be rewritten.

TS

>My worry is that Emagic will go the Digidesign route:

But Digi provide specific hard disks that they recommend. There is a Protools 
keyboard for mac. They don't seem to have any shortage of plug-ins, despite 
their unique interface (see their ads). And many people on LUG in the past 
have claimed that recording the same audio in PT and LA sounds better in PT 
for some reason.

None of my Photoshop plugins work in OS X with Photoshop 7.  I think OS X, is 
not completely complete yet.

> The only thing that kind of bugs me is 
>that there is not yet any kind of "wrapper" to make old VST functions 
>work in OSX with out having a little work done on them.   Old OS 9.xx 
>plugs have to have (what I am told is a trivial) operation done on 
>them to make their graphics compatible with OSX.

>  >Don't worry.  VST is not going anywhere.  My understanding is that it
>>is already a part of OSX.   [...]
>
>No. There is no VST in X, and plugs have to be rewritten.

I think you are wrong.  I do not have first hand knowledge so I can't 
real off specifics but I am in direct contact with people working on 
that stuff.

Tobias Seyb wrote:

> 
> No. There is no VST in X, and plugs have to be rewritten.
> 
There is a VST plugins folder, and suitably 'fixed' VST plugins do work
[try Spark ME] 
There are two ways to go, some VST plugins will be ported over to OSX
and others rewritten as Audio Units.


dave eager