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Re: Politics don't belong on this list

Re: Politics don't belong on this list

2002-10-18 by kumpy105

admin Jeremy said:
"I'm going 
to email Joeri at work to get his opinion, but I'm pretty sure he 
feels the same way after reading his post here yesterday. "

what post was that? I tried to find it but could not. The last post by 
joeri on the OT list was announcing you new admins. I'd like to 
know his opinion too. I value the Logic OT list and it's 
discussions, political, non-political and so forth. I don't mind 
signing up to L-Political, but what's next? L-laundry? L-Stocks 
and Bonds? L-auto? I think Dennis Gunn hit it on the head when 
he said OT cannot be defined by nature.

teddybut

Re: Politics don't belong on this list

2002-10-18 by kumpy105

admin Jeremy said:
"I'm going 
to email Joeri at work to get his opinion, but I'm pretty sure he 
feels the same way after reading his post here yesterday. "

what post was that? I tried to find it but could not. The last post by 
joeri on the OT list was announcing you new admins. I'd like to 
know his opinion too. I value the Logic OT list and it's 
discussions, political, non-political and so forth. I don't mind 
signing up to L-Political, but what's next? L-laundry? L-Stocks 
and Bonds? L-auto? I think Dennis Gunn hit it on the head when 
he said OT cannot be defined by nature.

teddybut

Re: Politics don't belong on this list

2002-10-18 by Jeremy Martin

> admin Jeremy said:
> "I'm going 
> to email Joeri at work to get his opinion, but I'm pretty sure he 
> feels the same way after reading his post here yesterday. "

--- In logic-ot@y..., "kumpy105" <teddybut@e...> wrote:
> what post was that? I tried to find it but could not. 

Oops, I just noticed it was sent only to the "owner" address, I 
thought it was sent to everyone. 
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To: "'Richmond, James (James) ** CTR **'" <richmondj@...>,
	<logic-ot-owner@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: [L-OT] Re: Peter Gabriel and Logic

> I know this is the OT list, but I thought it was supposed to 
> at least be semi-related to music matters.
> Is this true?
> Without making things more difficult I have mailed you 
> directly rather than creating a huge debate in the forum on 
> 'is the forum OT or really, really OT'.
> If you could let me know what the rules are regarding 
> politics and such I'd appreciate it. Another few days like 
> this and I'll unsub for a while.

Wow, I haven't read the OT list in a while, but I agree... this 
might be waaaaay OT, even for the OT list.

Joeri Vankeirsbilck
joeri@... 

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Re: [LUG-OT-POL] Politics don't belong on this list

2002-10-18 by kumpy105

> 
> Wow, I haven't read the OT list in a while, but I agree... this 
> might be waaaaay OT, even for the OT list.
> 
> Joeri Vankeirsbilck
> joeri@b... 

well, I guess the master has spoken... I wonder what you would 
have done Joeri, if you still admin-ing...

here's some of a personal note i sent to Jeremy for all to read 
(unless it gets moderated of course)

______________________________

You guys are doing what you think is the right thing, and I 
respectfully but strongly protest that. YOU are an admin and 
you're doing a great job on the LUG. It's much cleaner, and 
therefore enjoyable, to read the real LUG since you started 
helping. Thank you for that.

As you probably already know, I don't agree with the OT list 
moderation and I think cowtowing (sp?) to one or two 
complainers (Tobias and Richard who else was there?) who 
don't  use digest mode and get upset when there's controversial 
postings is over-reactive. A gentle private note explaining the 
benefits of digest mode would have been more appropriate 
IMHO. OR, they could just un-sub till the stuff they don't like dies 
down and then rejoin when there's something relevant on the 
LUG that gets moved to OT. I especially think deleting all the past 
political posts was silly, especially since I wrote such genius 
letters (that's a joke). But, I wouldn't take your job for anything. 
AND... just because I set up another list (which is just temporary 
until you change your mind about the OT list) and banned you 
from it is no reflection on what I think of your job on the main LUG 
or you as a person.

one thing you might consider is throwing a note to the OT list if 
some people start getting racist or personal. I don't think I was in 
that category, so I don't appreciate getting censored because, 
though my opinions are strong, I try to keep it dignified. I am a 
New Yorker, so dignified to me is probably harsh to someone 
from somewhere easier to live. Please correct me if I am wrong 
about my participation being one of the more benign.

Another thing you might consider is using headers like in the 
LUG on the OT list. you could ask people to use L-OT-POL for 
political posts so the Tobias' of the world can divert them to their 
junk mailbox. L-OT-MUSIC could be one for musical topics. I 
don't know how practical that is from your standpoint, please let 
me know.

One thing I liked about Joeri's admin-ing was that he would send 
a personal email to me when I got out of line, but only on the 
LUG, not on the OT.

thanks Jeremy,

Teddy

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