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2004-12-09 by wunny83
I'm using the LPC2000 Flash utility to flash to position 0x80000000 on the phytec 2294 but when i load the hex file into the utility i get the messgae invalid hex file. Does any know if it is possible to do this or is the ulink JTAG device the only way to go about doing so.
2004-12-10 by lpc2100_fan
The Ulink / Keil software is probably the most convenient way to flash the external memory on the Phytec board today. I would not know about another utility availble that would do it independent of the compiler tool chain. May be IAR has something similar using their J-Link but I am not sure. In the past when I worked with Phytec boards, they provided a Flashtool, designed to program the external, on board Flash. Don't know why this is not done with the LPC2000 board. p.s. may be some requests directly to Phytec could help here Cheers, Bob --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "wunny83" <wunny83@y...> wrote:
> > I'm using the LPC2000 Flash utility to flash to position 0x80000000 > on the phytec 2294 but when i load the hex file into the utility i > get the messgae invalid hex file. > > Does any know if it is possible to do this or is the ulink JTAG > device the only way to go about doing so.
2004-12-10 by Richard
Vaporware for now, but we will have a flash downloader / JTAG dongle package for around $175-$200 that will program most flash ARM and external flash, sometimes in Jan. At 05:05 PM 12/9/2004, lpc2100_fan wrote: >The Ulink / Keil software is probably the most convenient way to flash >the external memory on the Phytec board today. I would not know about >another utility availble that would do it independent of the compiler >tool chain. May be IAR has something similar using their J-Link but I >am not sure. In the past when I worked with Phytec boards, they >provided a Flashtool, designed to program the external, on board >Flash. Don't know why this is not done with the LPC2000 board. >p.s. may be some requests directly to Phytec could help here > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com)
2004-12-10 by Hugh O'Keeffe
The Ashling PathFinder/Opella combination works as well and now has LPC213x support. Hugh @ www.ashling.com/support/lpc2000/
-----Original Message----- From: lpc2100_fan [mailto:lpc2100_fan@...] Sent: 10 December 2004 01:05 To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com Subject: [lpc2000] Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory The Ulink / Keil software is probably the most convenient way to flash the external memory on the Phytec board today. I would not know about another utility availble that would do it independent of the compiler tool chain. May be IAR has something similar using their J-Link but I am not sure. In the past when I worked with Phytec boards, they provided a Flashtool, designed to program the external, on board Flash. Don't know why this is not done with the LPC2000 board. p.s. may be some requests directly to Phytec could help here Cheers, Bob --- In lpc2000@yahoogroups.com, "wunny83" <wunny83@y...> wrote: > > I'm using the LPC2000 Flash utility to flash to position 0x80000000 > on the phytec 2294 but when i load the hex file into the utility i > get the messgae invalid hex file. > > Does any know if it is possible to do this or is the ulink JTAG > device the only way to go about doing so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=129aspgg3/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=gr oups/S=1706554205:HM/EXP=1102727134/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*http://www. netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=groups/S= :HM/A=2434971/rand=182759778> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: lpc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <mailto:lpc2000-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2004-12-10 by Curt Powell
Richard, Any details available yet? Curt
-----Original Message----- From: Richard [mailto:richard-lists@...] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:26 PM To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com; lpc2000@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory Vaporware for now, but we will have a flash downloader / JTAG dongle package for around $175-$200 that will program most flash ARM and external flash, sometimes in Jan. At 05:05 PM 12/9/2004, lpc2100_fan wrote: >The Ulink / Keil software is probably the most convenient way to flash >the external memory on the Phytec board today. I would not know about >another utility availble that would do it independent of the compiler >tool chain. May be IAR has something similar using their J-Link but I >am not sure. In the past when I worked with Phytec boards, they >provided a Flashtool, designed to program the external, on board Flash. >Don't know why this is not done with the LPC2000 board. >p.s. may be some requests directly to Phytec could help here > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com) Yahoo! Groups Links
2004-12-11 by Richard
We are licensing the HW and SW from another company, with our own brand name. The JTAG dongle looks really nice with "ImageCraft" on it :-) The initial version is PAR based to cut down on cost, but they also have a USB dongle so we can have that option later on as well. If there are demand, we can also support the Wiggler. The current product does not support the LPC flash and it's OK for them. For us though, it is critical that it supports the LPC as we expect we will be, ahem, a major player in the C compiler market for the LPC2K series. So this will be done in the next few weeks by their engineers. I think it does support a whole bunch of other flash micros, but we / ImageCraft will not be looking at those for a little while. First we need to get this ARM puppy off the ground... At 04:30 PM 12/10/2004, Lewin A.R.W. Edwards wrote: >Hi Richard, > >I'm interested in this item too. By the way, I am also interested in a >similar product that can handle PowerPC (MPC8241 specifically). > >On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 12:41, Curt Powell wrote: > > Richard, > > > > Any details available yet? > > > > Curt > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Richard [mailto:richard-lists@...] > > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:26 PM > > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com; lpc2000@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > > > > > Vaporware for now, but we will have a flash downloader / JTAG dongle > package > > for around $175-$200 that will program most flash ARM and external flash, > > sometimes in Jan. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com)
2004-12-11 by Michael Johnson
________________________________________________________________________ >Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:53:33 -0800 > From: Richard <richard-lists@...> >Subject: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > >We are licensing the HW and SW from another company, with our own brand >name. The JTAG dongle looks really nice with "ImageCraft" on it :-) The >initial version is PAR based to cut down on cost, but they also have a USB >dongle so we can have that option later on as well. If there are demand, we >can also support the Wiggler. > > >The current product does not support the LPC flash and it's OK for them. >For us though, it is critical that it supports the LPC as we expect we will >be, ahem, a major player in the C compiler market for the LPC2K series. So >this will be done in the next few weeks by their engineers. > > Wigglers work well with the LPC2xxx series. The 1.3 version of CrossWorks for ARM can flash an LPC2xxx at 14Kbytes per second using a wiggler (and our own device driver), our (USB) CrossConnect for ARM can flash at 25K bytes per second (compared with 100+K bytes per second into RAM). So if you have a parallel port available don't be in a too much of hurry/worry to get a USB based device. Regards Michael
>I think it does support a whole bunch of other flash micros, but we / >ImageCraft will not be looking at those for a little while. First we need >to get this ARM puppy off the ground... > >At 04:30 PM 12/10/2004, Lewin A.R.W. Edwards wrote: > > > >>Hi Richard, >> >>I'm interested in this item too. By the way, I am also interested in a >>similar product that can handle PowerPC (MPC8241 specifically). >> >>On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 12:41, Curt Powell wrote: >> >> >>>Richard, >>> >>>Any details available yet? >>> >>>Curt >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Richard [mailto:richard-lists@...] >>>Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:26 PM >>>To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com; lpc2000@yahoogroups.com >>>Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory >>> >>> >>>Vaporware for now, but we will have a flash downloader / JTAG dongle >>> >>> >>package >> >> >>>for around $175-$200 that will program most flash ARM and external flash, >>>sometimes in Jan. >>> >>>
2004-12-11 by Joe Hlebasko
As a potential customer, I would prefer to go USB. It's not really a speed issue but a convienance issue. Most PC these days have USB ports out front, etc. Joe
> -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Johnson [mailto:mpj@...] > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:31 AM > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [lpc2000] RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > > >Message: 10 > > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:53:33 -0800 > > From: Richard <richard-lists@...> > >Subject: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > > >We are licensing the HW and SW from another company, with > our own brand > >name. The JTAG dongle looks really nice with "ImageCraft" on > it :-) The > >initial version is PAR based to cut down on cost, but they > also have a > >USB dongle so we can have that option later on as well. If there are > >demand, we can also support the Wiggler. > > > > > >The current product does not support the LPC flash and it's > OK for them. > >For us though, it is critical that it supports the LPC as we > expect we > >will be, ahem, a major player in the C compiler market for the LPC2K > >series. So this will be done in the next few weeks by their > engineers. > > > > > > Wigglers work well with the LPC2xxx series. The 1.3 version > of CrossWorks for ARM can flash an LPC2xxx at 14Kbytes per > second using a wiggler (and our own device driver), our (USB) > CrossConnect for ARM can flash at 25K bytes per second > (compared with 100+K bytes per second into RAM). So if you > have a parallel port available don't be in a too much of > hurry/worry to get a USB based device. > > Regards > Michael > > >I think it does support a whole bunch of other flash micros, > but we / > >ImageCraft will not be looking at those for a little while. First we > >need to get this ARM puppy off the ground... > > > >At 04:30 PM 12/10/2004, Lewin A.R.W. Edwards wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi Richard, > >> > >>I'm interested in this item too. By the way, I am also > interested in a > >>similar product that can handle PowerPC (MPC8241 specifically). > >> > >>On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 12:41, Curt Powell wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Richard, > >>> > >>>Any details available yet? > >>> > >>>Curt > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Richard [mailto:richard-lists@...] > >>>Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:26 PM > >>>To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com; lpc2000@yahoogroups.com > >>>Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > >>> > >>> > >>>Vaporware for now, but we will have a flash downloader / > JTAG dongle > >>> > >>> > >>package > >> > >> > >>>for around $175-$200 that will program most flash ARM and external > >>>flash, sometimes in Jan. > >>> > >>> > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > $4.98 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Q7_YsB/neXJAA/yQLSAA/dN_tlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > >
2004-12-11 by Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
As a potential customer I would much rather parallel, because it's easier to support in Linux than some weird-ass proprietary undocumented USB device. On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 09:34, Joe Hlebasko wrote: > As a potential customer, I would prefer to go USB. It's not really a speed > issue but a convienance issue. Most PC these days have USB ports out front, > etc. > > Joe > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Johnson [mailto:mpj@...] > > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:31 AM > > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [lpc2000] RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > > > >Message: 10 > > > Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:53:33 -0800 > > > From: Richard <richard-lists@...> > > >Subject: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > > > > >We are licensing the HW and SW from another company, with > > our own brand > > >name. The JTAG dongle looks really nice with "ImageCraft" on > > it :-) The > > >initial version is PAR based to cut down on cost, but they > > also have a > > >USB dongle so we can have that option later on as well. If there are > > >demand, we can also support the Wiggler. > > > > > > > > >The current product does not support the LPC flash and it's > > OK for them. > > >For us though, it is critical that it supports the LPC as we > > expect we > > >will be, ahem, a major player in the C compiler market for the LPC2K > > >series. So this will be done in the next few weeks by their > > engineers. > > > > > > > > > > Wigglers work well with the LPC2xxx series. The 1.3 version > > of CrossWorks for ARM can flash an LPC2xxx at 14Kbytes per > > second using a wiggler (and our own device driver), our (USB) > > CrossConnect for ARM can flash at 25K bytes per second > > (compared with 100+K bytes per second into RAM). So if you > > have a parallel port available don't be in a too much of > > hurry/worry to get a USB based device. > > > > Regards > > Michael > > > > >I think it does support a whole bunch of other flash micros, > > but we / > > >ImageCraft will not be looking at those for a little while. First we > > >need to get this ARM puppy off the ground... > > > > > >At 04:30 PM 12/10/2004, Lewin A.R.W. Edwards wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hi Richard, > > >> > > >>I'm interested in this item too. By the way, I am also > > interested in a > > >>similar product that can handle PowerPC (MPC8241 specifically). > > >> > > >>On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 12:41, Curt Powell wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>Richard, > > >>> > > >>>Any details available yet? > > >>> > > >>>Curt > > >>> > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: Richard [mailto:richard-lists@...] > > >>>Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:26 PM > > >>>To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com; lpc2000@yahoogroups.com > > >>>Subject: Re: [lpc2000] Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>Vaporware for now, but we will have a flash downloader / > > JTAG dongle > > >>> > > >>> > > >>package > > >> > > >> > > >>>for around $175-$200 that will program most flash ARM and external > > >>>flash, sometimes in Jan. > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > --------------------~--> > > $4.98 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. > > http://us.click.yahoo.com/Q7_YsB/neXJAA/yQLSAA/dN_tlB/TM > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------~-> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards Consulting - http://www.zws.com/ Personal - http://www.larwe.com/ Check out my books on embedded engineering! <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20/> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750677783/zws-20/>
2004-12-12 by Richard
As a wishy washy vendor that tries to make everyone happy, we will release the parallel version first because of the lower cost and then probably the USB for convenience later on :-) At 06:37 AM 12/11/2004, you wrote: >As a potential customer I would much rather parallel, because it's >easier to support in Linux than some weird-ass proprietary undocumented >USB device. > >On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 09:34, Joe Hlebasko wrote: > > As a potential customer, I would prefer to go USB. It's not really a speed > > issue but a convienance issue. Most PC these days have USB ports out front, > > etc. // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com)
2004-12-12 by Michael Johnson
CrossWorks supports both USB and Parallel port connections. We only support the parallel port on Linux at the moment but the USB support will follow. Regards Michael Message: 16 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:27:26 -0800
From: Richard <richard-lists@...> Subject: RE: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory As a wishy washy vendor that tries to make everyone happy, we will release the parallel version first because of the lower cost and then probably the USB for convenience later on :-) At 06:37 AM 12/11/2004, you wrote: >>As a potential customer I would much rather parallel, because it's >>easier to support in Linux than some weird-ass proprietary undocumented >>USB device. >> >>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 09:34, Joe Hlebasko wrote: > > >>> > As a potential customer, I would prefer to go USB. It's not really a speed >>> > issue but a convienance issue. Most PC these days have USB ports out front, >>> > etc. >> >> // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please use richard at imagecraft.com)
2004-12-12 by Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
Do you actually have a two-stage flash programmer for devices with external flash, or do you just have generic JTAG support, requiring the user to write his/her own flash loader? On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 04:22, Michael Johnson wrote: > CrossWorks supports both USB and Parallel port connections. We only support the parallel port on Linux at the moment but the USB support will follow. > > Regards > Michael > > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:27:26 -0800 > From: Richard <richard-lists@...> > Subject: RE: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > As a wishy washy vendor that tries to make everyone happy, we will release > the parallel version first because of the lower cost and then probably the > USB for convenience later on :-) > > At 06:37 AM 12/11/2004, you wrote: > > > >>As a potential customer I would much rather parallel, because it's > >>easier to support in Linux than some weird-ass proprietary undocumented > >>USB device. > >> > >>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 09:34, Joe Hlebasko wrote: > > > > > >>> > As a potential customer, I would prefer to go USB. It's not really a speed > >>> > issue but a convienance issue. Most PC these days have USB ports out front, > >>> > etc. > >> > >> > > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, please > use richard at imagecraft.com) > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- Lewin A.R.W. Edwards Consulting - http://www.zws.com/ Personal - http://www.larwe.com/ Check out my books on embedded engineering! <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20/> <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750677783/zws-20/>
2004-12-12 by Paul Curtis
Lewin, The flash loader communicates over the DCC and is responsible for flashing the target. We have canned loaders for all the integrated flash ARMs (LPC, SAM7, ADuC, STR7xx) and also for ARMs with external flash. The loader is provided n source form so you can customize it for your own external flash. So, load a program into RAM, run the program to load the external FLASH, and you're away. We have canned loaders for devices with external flash (e.g. the Revely boards...) -- Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and now AVR processors
> -----Original Message----- > From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [mailto:larwe@larwe.com] > Sent: 12 December 2004 09:43 > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] RE: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > > Do you actually have a two-stage flash programmer for devices > with external flash, or do you just have generic JTAG > support, requiring the user to write his/her own flash loader? > > On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 04:22, Michael Johnson wrote: > > CrossWorks supports both USB and Parallel port connections. > We only support the parallel port on Linux at the moment but > the USB support will follow. > > > > Regards > > Michael > > > > > > Message: 16 > > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:27:26 -0800 > > From: Richard <richard-lists@...> > > Subject: RE: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory > > > > As a wishy washy vendor that tries to make everyone happy, we will > > release the parallel version first because of the lower > cost and then > > probably the USB for convenience later on :-) > > > > At 06:37 AM 12/11/2004, you wrote: > > > > > > >>As a potential customer I would much rather parallel, > because it's > > >>easier to support in Linux than some weird-ass proprietary > > >>undocumented USB device. > > >> > > >>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 09:34, Joe Hlebasko wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> > As a potential customer, I would prefer to go USB. It's not > > >>> > really a speed issue but a convienance issue. Most PC > these days > > >>> > have USB ports out front, etc. > > >> > > >> > > > > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. To reach me directly, > > please use richard at imagecraft.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Lewin A.R.W. Edwards > Consulting - http://www.zws.com/ > Personal - http://www.larwe.com/ > Check out my books on embedded engineering! > <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750676094/zws-20/> > <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0750677783/zws-20/> > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. > Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/dN_tlB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------~-> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > >
2004-12-12 by Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
Hi Paul,
Thanks for the info. We ("big company" we, not me personally) are
currently argufying about moving some of our projects to ARM7 from their
current 8051 codebase (some of those projects are getting really big
code-wise). Maybe we can do some more business.
On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 07:02, Paul Curtis wrote:
> Lewin,
>
> The flash loader communicates over the DCC and is responsible for
> flashing the target. We have canned loaders for all the integrated
> flash ARMs (LPC, SAM7, ADuC, STR7xx) and also for ARMs with external
> flash. The loader is provided n source form so you can customize it for
> your own external flash.
>
> So, load a program into RAM, run the program to load the external FLASH,
> and you're away. We have canned loaders for devices with external flash
> (e.g. the Revely boards...)
>
> --
> Paul Curtis, Rowley Associates Ltd http://www.rowley.co.uk
> CrossWorks for MSP430, ARM, and now AVR processors
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [mailto:larwe@...]
> > Sent: 12 December 2004 09:43
> > To: lpc2000@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [lpc2000] RE: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory
> >
> >
> > Do you actually have a two-stage flash programmer for devices
> > with external flash, or do you just have generic JTAG
> > support, requiring the user to write his/her own flash loader?
> >
> > On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 04:22, Michael Johnson wrote:
> > > CrossWorks supports both USB and Parallel port connections.
> > We only support the parallel port on Linux at the moment but
> > the USB support will follow.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > Message: 16
> > > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:27:26 -0800
> > > From: Richard <richard-lists@...>
> > > Subject: RE: RE: Re: Unable to flash to extenal memory
> > >
> > > As a wishy washy vendor that tries to make everyone happy, we will
> > > release the parallel version first because of the lower
> > cost and then
> > > probably the USB for convenience later on :-)
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> > > At 06:37 AM 12/11/2004, you wrote:
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> > because it's
> > > >>easier to support in Linux than some weird-ass proprietary
> > > >>undocumented USB device.
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> > > >>On Sat, 2004-12-11 at 09:34, Joe Hlebasko wrote:
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> > > >>> > really a speed issue but a convienance issue. Most PC
> > these days
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> > Check out my books on embedded engineering!
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