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Another M400 Question

Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Well, not just M400's.

Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).

I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.

I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?

Bernie

RE: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by John Hammaren

Maybe the old boy is feeling neglected since you got the 4000?
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From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:54 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question



Well, not just M400's.

Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).

I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.

I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?

Bernie

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

If anything, I'm playing it more than I ever have. The M4000 is 4 inches taller than an M400, so I have the M400 up on 4 inch blocks, right next to the M4000, at a slight angle so I can play both at the same time.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, John Hammaren <hammaren@...> wrote:
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>
> Maybe the old boy is feeling neglected since you got the 4000?
> 
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:54 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question
> 
> 
> 
> Well, not just M400's.
> 
> Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> 
> I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> 
> I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> 
> Bernie
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by lsf5275@aol.com

Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
 
 
In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Well, not just M400's.

Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting  it warm up, I did the arm 
across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes  and 3 of them didn't return. 
I had to remove the keyboard to release them  (loosening the pinch roller 
and pad didn't do it).

I played with one of  the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after 
removing the keyboard. The  tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When 
I unbunched it, I found that  a small tape loop had gotten in between the 
capstan and the long felt pad in  front of the capstan. The tape decided to 
take this route instead of going  into the spill box. Static? The room is 
pretty dry with forced air  heat.

I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound  like what 
needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this  kind: 
_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ),  but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan.  
Suggestions?

Bernie

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tronbros

Bernie,

Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid.  There should only be a very small clearance.

Best,

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad
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On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

> Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
>  
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:
>  
> Well, not just M400's.
> 
> Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> 
> I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> 
> I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan.    Suggestions?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> 
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad Magazine.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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>
> Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Well, not just M400's.
> 
> Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting  it warm up, I did the arm 
> across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes  and 3 of them didn't return. 
> I had to remove the keyboard to release them  (loosening the pinch roller 
> and pad didn't do it).
> 
> I played with one of  the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after 
> removing the keyboard. The  tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When 
> I unbunched it, I found that  a small tape loop had gotten in between the 
> capstan and the long felt pad in  front of the capstan. The tape decided to 
> take this route instead of going  into the spill box. Static? The room is 
> pretty dry with forced air  heat.
> 
> I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound  like what 
> needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this  kind: 
> _http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ),  but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan.  
> Suggestions?
> 
> Bernie
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Thanks Martin. I will take a look tonight.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
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>
> Bernie,
> 
> Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid.  There should only be a very small clearance.
> 
> Best,
> 
> M
> 
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> 
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@... wrote:
> 
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >  
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@... writes:
> >  
> > Well, not just M400's.
> > 
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> > 
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > 
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan.    Suggestions?
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Hi Martin,

It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
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>
> Bernie,
> 
> Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid.  There should only be a very small clearance.
> 
> Best,
> 
> M
> 
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> 
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@... wrote:
> 
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >  
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@... writes:
> >  
> > Well, not just M400's.
> > 
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> > 
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > 
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan.    Suggestions?
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > 
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tronbros

Hi Bernie,

Is this old tape or new? If the frame is old and the tapes have been held in position for many years, the memory of the turnbuckle is held in the tape and it tries to regain that shape as soon as it leaves the pinchroller and bunches before it goes into the box.

Best,

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad
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On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:43, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
> 
> It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
> >
> > Bernie,
> > 
> > Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> > 
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@... wrote:
> > 
> > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@... writes:
> > > 
> > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > 
> > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> > > 
> > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > 
> > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tron400

Hi Martin,

It's one of the new frames with the orange back tape (or is it red?). I think it's about a year old. I've been using the frame for the last week or more and it seems to have just started acting up yesterday, although I don't normally press the keys until the tape runs out, so maybe I just never noticed it.

Cheers,
Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
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>
> Hi Bernie,
> 
> Is this old tape or new? If the frame is old and the tapes have been held in position for many years, the memory of the turnbuckle is held in the tape and it tries to regain that shape as soon as it leaves the pinchroller and bunches before it goes into the box.
> 
> Best,
> 
> M
> 
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> 
> mellotronics.com on my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:43, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Martin,
> > 
> > It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie,
> > > 
> > > Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > 
> > > M
> > > 
> > > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> > > 
> > > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > 
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@ writes:
> > > > 
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > 
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> > > > 
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> > > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-06 by tronbros

Hi Bernie,

There has to be a reason as that EMI tape drives and behaves beautifully. Send me a few photos  showing the height of the box, the felt against the capstan and the relationship of the pinchroller to the lid. Thanks.

Best,

Martin

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad
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On 6 Mar 2013, at 22:53, "tron400" <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
> 
> It's one of the new frames with the orange back tape (or is it red?). I think it's about a year old. I've been using the frame for the last week or more and it seems to have just started acting up yesterday, although I don't normally press the keys until the tape runs out, so maybe I just never noticed it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
> >
> > Hi Bernie,
> > 
> > Is this old tape or new? If the frame is old and the tapes have been held in position for many years, the memory of the turnbuckle is held in the tape and it tries to regain that shape as soon as it leaves the pinchroller and bunches before it goes into the box.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> > 
> > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 6 Mar 2013, at 21:43, "tron400" wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Martin,
> > > 
> > > It looks to be a little more than 1/16"...maybe 3/32"...hard to measure. Between the pinch roller and the spill box lid on the low G and high F, I can see the tape move up and down as it goes into the spill box. After a couple of seconds, the tape intermittently touches the back edge of the lid and sometimes goes down between the capstan and the felt strip.
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, tronbros wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bernie,
> > > > 
> > > > Check the distance between the pinchroller when depressed and the tape storage box lid. There should only be a very small clearance.
> > > > 
> > > > Best,
> > > > 
> > > > M
> > > > 
> > > > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> > > > 
> > > > mellotronics.com on my iPad
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 6 Mar 2013, at 17:08, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > > 
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@ writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't return. I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller and pad didn't do it).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan. When I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided to take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind: http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg), but I'm not sure it will work on the capstan. Suggestions?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
> 
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-07 by lsf5275@aol.com

Han-d-mag 
 
_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) 
 
Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable 
 
_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) 
 
 
In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad  
Magazine.

Bernie

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
>  
> 
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard  Time, 
> tron400@... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Well, not just M400's.
> 
> Yesterday, after turning mine on and  letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> across the keyboard trick to the  end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
return. 
> I had to remove the  keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller 
> and pad didn't  do it).
> 
> I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't  return, even after 
> removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in  front of the capstan. 
When 
> I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in between the 
> capstan and the long felt pad in front  of the capstan. The tape decided 
to 
> take this route instead of going  into the spill box. Static? The room is 
> pretty dry with forced air  heat.
> 
> I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that  sound like what 
> needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head  demagnetizer (this kind: 
> __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
capstan. 
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> Suggestions?
>  
> Bernie
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-08 by tron400

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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>
> Han-d-mag 
>  
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) 
>  
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable 
>  
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad  
> Magazine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >  
> > 
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard  Time, 
> > tron400@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Well, not just M400's.
> > 
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and  letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> > across the keyboard trick to the  end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
> return. 
> > I had to remove the  keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller 
> > and pad didn't  do it).
> > 
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't  return, even after 
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in  front of the capstan. 
> When 
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in between the 
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front  of the capstan. The tape decided 
> to 
> > take this route instead of going  into the spill box. Static? The room is 
> > pretty dry with forced air  heat.
> > 
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that  sound like what 
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head  demagnetizer (this kind: 
> > __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
> capstan. 
> > Suggestions?
> >  
> > Bernie
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-08 by lsf5275@aol.com

Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But 
 that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things 
but  can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all 
the heads  at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the 
HCM away and  unplug.
 
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you  
have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
 
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is  
working right.
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag 
> 
> __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  
> 
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to  be 
indispensable 
> 
> __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
> tron400@... writes:
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad  
> Magazine.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a  humidifier.
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated  3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > tron400@  writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Well, not just M400's.
> > 
> > Yesterday, after turning  mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> > across the  keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
> return.  
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the  pinch 
roller 
> > and pad didn't do it).
> > 
> > I  played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even 
after  
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the  
capstan. 
> When 
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in between 
the 
> > capstan and the long felt pad in  front of the capstan. The tape 
decided 
> to 
> > take this  route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room 
is 
> >  pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > 
> > I haven't ever  demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
what 
> > needs  to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
kind: 
>  > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> capstan. 
> >  Suggestions?
> > 
> > Bernie
>  >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-08 by John Wright

Or, one's spouse can help with the Han-D-Job......
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 4:28 PM, <lsf5275@aol.com> wrote:


Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the HCM away and unplug.
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is working right.
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag
>
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html)
>
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
>
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html)
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>;
>
>
>
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> Magazine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> return.
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> > and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan.
> When
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided
> to
> > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> >; __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> capstan.
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
>




Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by Jay Shirley

Frank.

Can you recommend a magnetometer?

This is the only one I can find.

Thank you.
js
M400 #215


On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:


Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the HCM away and unplug.
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is working right.
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tron400@yahoo.com writes:

Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag
>
> _http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html)
>
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be indispensable
>
> _http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html)
>
>
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tron400@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad
> Magazine.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, not just M400's.
> >
> > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm
> > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't
> return.
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch roller
> > and pad didn't do it).
> >
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even after
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the capstan.
> When
> > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between the
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape decided
> to
> > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room is
> > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> >
> > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like what
> > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this kind:
> > __http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the
> capstan.
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Bernie
> >
>



Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by tron400

So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But 
>  that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things 
> but  can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all 
> the heads  at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the 
> HCM away and  unplug.
>  
> The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you  
> have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
>  
> Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is  
> working right.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Thanks for those links, Frank.
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Han-d-mag 
> > 
> > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  
> > 
> > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to  be 
> indispensable 
> > 
> > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
> > tron400@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad  
> > Magazine.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a  humidifier.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message dated  3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > tron400@  writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  Well, not just M400's.
> > > 
> > > Yesterday, after turning  mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> > > across the  keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
> > return.  
> > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the  pinch 
> roller 
> > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > 
> > > I  played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even 
> after  
> > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the  
> capstan. 
> > When 
> > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in between 
> the 
> > > capstan and the long felt pad in  front of the capstan. The tape 
> decided 
> > to 
> > > take this  route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room 
> is 
> > >  pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > 
> > > I haven't ever  demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
> what 
> > > needs  to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
> kind: 
> >  > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
> > capstan. 
> > >  Suggestions?
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> >  >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by lsf5275@aol.com

R.B. Annis makes nice ones... But here's something you might  want to read 
and then do some follow up research on the subject. This might also  be a 
good discussion for this forum. I have some insight...
 
_http://www.rbannis.com/products/magnet/5.html_ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/magnet/5.html) 
 
I did not write this, but my research indicates that  there is a lot of 
support for this....
 
"First, what I'm about to write will be viewed by many as controversial, by 
 others as wrong, by still others as hopefully insightful. But I have no 
doubt  that, because what I'll say flies in the face of "common wisdom", 
"standard  practices" and even many maintenance manuals, there will be those that 
just  ignore all of this. That's fine, do what makes you feel good, but 
there is at  least some science behind my statements below.

Several decades ago I did  some in-depth research into the effectiveness, 
and necessity of demagnetizing  recorder parts as part of routine 
maintenance. I won't bore with details, but  part of the research involved renting a 
lab-grade hall-effect probe gaussmeter  in order to measure DC magnetic 
fields, analyzing their effect on the recording  process, and their effect on 
pre-recorded test signals. In addition to the  gaussmeter, a swept spectrum 
analyzer was used, as was a low distortion sine  generator, and several strong p
ermanent magnets as DC field sources. 

In  short, what I found is this: 

1. Operating a tape recorder does not cause  anything in the tape path to 
become magnetized. Not even a tiny bit. 
2. All  parts including heads have made from materials with a natural 
neutral magnetic  state, to which they tend to return even if deliberately 
magnetized.
3. The  magnetic flux required to affect a recorded tape is much higher 
than anything  anywhere around the tape recorder, except in the erase and 
record head gaps. The  effect of a steady-state magnetic field (a DC field) on 
recorded tape is first  noticed as partial erasure of high frequencies, and 
that occurred with a field  somewhere above 200 Gauss. Tape has very high 
coercivity by design, meaning you  need a high field strength to cross the 
threshold above which the tape will  become magnetized. That's what the bias 
oscillator does. By being many times  hotter than the actual audio signal on the 
head, the bias forces the signal over  the coercivity threshold into the 
more "linear" range of the tape. But that  means it's harder to erase tape 
than you might think. Typical guide and head  residuals were in the zero to 20 
gauss range, far below tape coercivity levels.  

4. Erase and record heads are self-demagnetized by the bias oscillator,  
which provides an AC field in the gap that is thousands of times higher than  
what a de-magnetizer can induce. 

5. The field found on recorded tape is  incapable of magnetizing anything. 
It is minuscule, and when the tape moves, it  becomes an AC field, which 
would demagnetize if it had any effect.

6. The  effect of a DC field near or in a record head produces two 
measurable results:  First, a significant elevation of even-order harmonic 
distortion, and second, an  elevation in low frequency noise (a sort of gravelly 
sounding noise). But again,  the field has to be fairly high for this to happen. 
You need a spectrum analyzer  to differentiate even harmonics from the 
normal odd harmonics created in the  recording process.

7. If tape machine parts become magnetized, there is a  defect in 
manufacture (the material doesn't have a natural, neutral magnetic  state), or a 
defect in the tape machine, either due to a failure or design flaw.  
Asymmetrical bias waveforms will present a DC component, any DC on a head due to  a 
circuit defect (bad blocking cap, for example). Demagnetizing may temporarily  
remove the residual, but if it creeps back, something is "broken", and needs 
 repair or replacement.

8. Lastly, casual use of a demagnetizing device,  even if the classic 
proper techniques are observed (slow removal, switching of  when several feet 
away), sometimes resulted in an increased magnetic state  rather than a 
decrease. There's no way to tell if you are demagnetizing, or  magnetizing, without 
further testing for the effects of magnetism. Once again,  these are HF 
erasure of a recorded tape, or increase in noise and even-order  harmonic 
distortion during record. Yes, you need instrumentation to do this.  

During the research, I also found that attempts to deliberately  magnetize 
a tape head with a strong permanent magnet were successful, but over  time, 
the head returned to a neutral state by itself. It took 24 to 48 hours,  but 
then all the effects of magnetism vanished. The same was true of guide  
parts, though some could not be magnetized being non-ferrous. 

In  summary, routine demagnetization is unnecessary, and could actually 
make things  worse. If you plan to demagnetize, you also need to be able to 
measure the  effects of residual magnetism to see if you've made it better or 
worse, or if it  was needed at all. 

Have fun,

Jim
 

 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 7:09:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mellotronex@earthlink.net writes:

 
 
 
Frank.  


Can you recommend a magnetometer?


This is the only one I can find.
_http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Magnetometer-100-0-100-Gauss/dp/B0042U1AP8/ref
=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362787001&sr=8-1&keywords=Magnetometer_ 
(http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Magnetometer-100-0-10
0-Gauss/dp/B0042U1AP8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362787001&sr=8-1&keywords=Magnetometer) 


Thank you.
js
M400 #215




On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:28 PM, _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com)  
wrote:



 


Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can  de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. 
But that thing is not to be trifled  with. It will do all kinds of cool things 
but can really fuck up your shit.  Get your tapes out of the room. Do all 
the heads at once... Power on...  slowly sweep from head to head... move the 
HCM away and  unplug.
 
The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where  you 
have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No  guessing.
 
Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else  is 
working right.
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_tron400@yahoo.com_ (mailto:tron400@yahoo.com)  writes:

 
Thanks for those links, Frank.

Bernie

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Han-d-mag 
> 
> __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  
> 
> Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine  to be 
indispensable 
> 
> __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time, 
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I  just get hits on Mad 
> Magazine.
> 
> Bernie
>  
> --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a  humidifier.
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated  3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > tron400@  writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > Well, not just M400's.
> > 
> > Yesterday, after  turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> > across  the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
>  return. 
> > I had to remove the keyboard to release them  (loosening the pinch 
roller 
> > and pad didn't do it).
>  > 
> > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't  return, even 
after 
> > removing the keyboard. The tape had  bunched up in front of the 
capstan. 
> When 
> > I  unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between 
the  
> > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The  tape 
decided 
> to 
> > take this route instead of going  into the spill box. Static? The room 
is 
> > pretty dry with  forced air heat.
> > 
> > I haven't ever demagged the  heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
what 
> > needs to be  done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
kind: 
> >  ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> capstan. 
> >  Suggestions?
> > 
> > Bernie
>  >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by Sean

How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?

-Sean

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But 
> >  that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things 
> > but  can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all 
> > the heads  at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the 
> > HCM away and  unplug.
> >  
> > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you  
> > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> >  
> > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is  
> > working right.
> >  
> >  
> > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> > tron400@ writes:
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Han-d-mag 
> > > 
> > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
> > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  
> > > 
> > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to  be 
> > indispensable 
> > > 
> > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
> > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad  
> > > Magazine.
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a  humidifier.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a message dated  3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > tron400@  writes:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  Well, not just M400's.
> > > > 
> > > > Yesterday, after turning  mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> > > > across the  keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
> > > return.  
> > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the  pinch 
> > roller 
> > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > 
> > > > I  played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even 
> > after  
> > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the  
> > capstan. 
> > > When 
> > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in between 
> > the 
> > > > capstan and the long felt pad in  front of the capstan. The tape 
> > decided 
> > > to 
> > > > take this  route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room 
> > is 
> > > >  pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > 
> > > > I haven't ever  demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
> > what 
> > > > needs  to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
> > kind: 
> > >  > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
> > > capstan. 
> > > >  Suggestions?
> > > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > >  >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by lsf5275@aol.com

Han-D-Magic
 
 
In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
fourtytwominds@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?

-Sean

--- In  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> So it's probably not safe  for general use on a cycling machine or a 
pacemaker?
> 
>  Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can  de-mag a headblock in a minute or 
two. But 
> > that thing is not to  be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool 
things 
> > but can  really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do 
all 
> >  the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... 
move the  
> > HCM away and unplug.
> > 
> > The magnetometer  is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where 
you 
> > have  problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> >  
> > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing  else 
is 
> > working right.
> > 
> > 
> >  In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> >  tron400@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > 
> >  Bernie
> > 
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Han-d-mag 
> >  > 
> > > ___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  
> > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  ) 
> > > 
> > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good  idea. I find mine to be 
> > indispensable 
> > >  
> > > ___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  
> > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  ) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message dated  3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > tron400@  writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > 
> > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get  hits on Mad 
> > > Magazine.
> > > 
> > >  Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buy a  Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > 
>  > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did  
the arm 
> > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the  tapes and 3 of them 
didn't 
> > > return. 
> > > >  I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch 
>  > roller 
> > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > >  > 
> > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape  wouldn't return, even 
> > after 
> > > > removing the  keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the 
> > capstan.  
> > > When 
> > > > I unbunched it, I found that a  small tape loop had gotten in 
between 
> > the 
> > >  > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape 
>  > decided 
> > > to 
> > > > take this route  instead of going into the spill box. Static? The 
room 
> > is  
> > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > >  > 
> > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan.  Does that sound like 
> > what 
> > > > needs to be  done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
> > kind:  
> > > > ____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
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> > > capstan.  
> > > > Suggestions?
> > > > 
> > >  > Bernie
> > > >
> > >
>  >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by tronbros

We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

> Han-D-Magic
>  
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, fourtytwominds@yahoo.com writes:
>  
> How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> 
> -Sean
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
> >
> > So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But 
> > > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things 
> > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all 
> > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the 
> > > HCM away and unplug.
> > > 
> > > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you 
> > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> > > 
> > > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is 
> > > working right.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Han-d-mag 
> > > > 
> > > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> > > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) 
> > > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
> > > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) ) 
> > > > 
> > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be 
> > > indispensable 
> > > > 
> > > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> > > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) 
> > > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
> > > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) ) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad 
> > > > Magazine.
> > > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _ 
> > > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
> > > > return. 
> > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the pinch 
> > > roller 
> > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even 
> > > after 
> > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the 
> > > capstan. 
> > > > When 
> > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten in between 
> > > the 
> > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape 
> > > decided 
> > > > to 
> > > > > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room 
> > > is 
> > > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
> > > what 
> > > > > needs to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
> > > kind: 
> > > > > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) 
> > > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) ) 
> > > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) 
> > > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
> > > > capstan. 
> > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by john barrick

When I bought my Han-D-Mag, it came with a gauss meter. Good stuff.
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On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!

M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

mellotronics.com on my iPad




On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:

Han-D-Magic

--
john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-09 by Tony

Hi gang,

On the demagnetize subject, I’ve had #510 since 1975 and can count the times I’ve demagnetized it on one hand.
These devices (degassers) can cause more problems than they solve, so be careful!
Don’t love them to death.

Tony #510 and #029
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From: john barrick 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 6:41 PM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

  
When I bought my Han-D-Mag, it came with a gauss meter.  Good stuff.



On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM, tronbros <tronbros@aol.com> wrote:

    
  We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!

  M


  1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons

  mellotronics.com on my iPad




  On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@aol.com wrote:


      

    Han-D-Magic



-- 

john barrick

*Leo got it right the first time*
*then he added a second pickup and got it righter*

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-10 by tron400

What causes the magnetization anyway? Is it static electricity from the tapes? Wouldn't it dissipate over time?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Tony" <atm655@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Hi gang,
> 
> On the demagnetize subject, I’ve had #510 since 1975 and can count the times I’ve demagnetized it on one hand.
> These devices (degassers) can cause more problems than they solve, so be careful!
> Don’t love them to death.
> 
> Tony #510 and #029
> 
> From: john barrick 
> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 6:41 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question
> 
>   
> When I bought my Han-D-Mag, it came with a gauss meter.  Good stuff.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:32 PM, tronbros <tronbros@...> wrote:
> 
>     
>   We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T PANIC!
> 
>   M
> 
> 
>   1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> 
>   mellotronics.com on my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, lsf5275@... wrote:
> 
> 
>       
> 
>     Han-D-Magic
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> john barrick
> 
> *Leo got it right the first time*
> *then he added a second pickup and got it righter*
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-10 by lsf5275@aol.com

You said it!
 
 
In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tronbros@aol.com writes:

 
 
 
We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on  
daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is  
not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and  
forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T 
 PANIC!


M

1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons


_mellotronics.com_ (http://mellotronics.com/)  on my iPad








On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@aol.com_ (mailto:lsf5275@aol.com)  wrote:





 
Han-D-Magic
 
 
In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
_fourtytwominds@yahoo.com_ (mailto:fourtytwominds@yahoo.com)   writes:

 
How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?

-Sean

---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@...> wrote:
>
> So it's probably not  safe for general use on a cycling machine or a 
pacemaker?
> 
>  Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can  de-mag a headblock in a minute or 
two. But 
> > that thing is not  to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool 
things 
> > but  can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do 
all  
> > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to  head... 
move the 
> > HCM away and unplug.
> > 
>  > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where  
you 
> > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them.  No guessing.
> > 
> > Later you might want to get the  Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else 
is 
> > working  right.
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated  3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > tron400@  writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>  > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > 
> >  Bernie
> > 
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Han-d-mag 
>  > > 
> > > ___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  
> > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  ) 
> > > 
> > > Getting a good magnetometer is a  good idea. I find mine to be 
> > indispensable 
> >  > 
> > > ___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  
> > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  ) 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message  dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > >  tron400@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on  Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad 
> > > Magazine.
>  > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > >  --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buy a  Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > >  > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > >  
> > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it  warm up, I did the 
arm 
> > > > across the keyboard trick  to the end of the tapes and 3 of them 
didn't 
> > > return.  
> > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them  (loosening the pinch 
> > roller 
> > > > and pad  didn't do it).
> > > > 
> > > > I played  with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even 
> >  after 
> > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched  up in front of the 
> > capstan. 
> > > When 
>  > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten  in 
between 
> > the 
> > > > capstan and the long  felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape 
> > decided 
>  > > to 
> > > > take this route instead of going into  the spill box. Static? The 
room 
> > is 
> > > >  pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > 
> > >  > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
 
> > what 
> > > > needs to be done? I have an old  fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
> > kind: 
> > >  > ____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
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> > > capstan.  
> > > > Suggestions?
> > > > 
> >  > > Bernie
> > > >
> > >
>  >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-11 by tron400

I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were bunching up in my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers since I installed them a couple of years ago and I've been using the same frame for several weeks. It looks like the backs of the tapes were sticking to the pinch rollers. After cleaning the pinch rollers, heads and capstan, the tapes were still bunching up, so I tried a different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes need to be cleaned every so often? What do you use to clean them?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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>
> You said it!
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> tronbros@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on  
> daily and the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging is  
> not something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock and  
> forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. DON'T 
>  PANIC!
> 
> 
> M
> 
> 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
> 
> 
> _mellotronics.com_ (http://mellotronics.com/)  on my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@..._ (mailto:lsf5275@...)  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Han-D-Magic
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> _fourtytwominds@..._ (mailto:fourtytwominds@...)   writes:
> 
>  
> How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> 
> -Sean
> 
> ---  In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > So it's probably not  safe for general use on a cycling machine or a 
> pacemaker?
> > 
> >  Bernie
> > 
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can  de-mag a headblock in a minute or 
> two. But 
> > > that thing is not  to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool 
> things 
> > > but  can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do 
> all  
> > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to  head... 
> move the 
> > > HCM away and unplug.
> > > 
> >  > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where  
> you 
> > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them.  No guessing.
> > > 
> > > Later you might want to get the  Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else 
> is 
> > > working  right.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message dated  3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > tron400@  writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> >  > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > > 
> > >  Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Han-d-mag 
> >  > > 
> > > > ___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  ) 
> > > > 
> > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a  good idea. I find mine to be 
> > > indispensable 
> > >  > 
> > > > ___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  ) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a message  dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > >  tron400@ writes:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on  Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad 
> > > > Magazine.
> >  > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > > >  --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Buy a  Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >  > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > >  > 
> > > > > Well, not just M400's.
> > > > >  
> > > > > Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it  warm up, I did the 
> arm 
> > > > > across the keyboard trick  to the end of the tapes and 3 of them 
> didn't 
> > > > return.  
> > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them  (loosening the pinch 
> > > roller 
> > > > > and pad  didn't do it).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I played  with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even 
> > >  after 
> > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched  up in front of the 
> > > capstan. 
> > > > When 
> >  > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape loop had gotten  in 
> between 
> > > the 
> > > > > capstan and the long  felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape 
> > > decided 
> >  > > to 
> > > > > take this route instead of going into  the spill box. Static? The 
> room 
> > > is 
> > > > >  pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > > 
> > > >  > I haven't ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
>  
> > > what 
> > > > > needs to be done? I have an old  fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
> > > kind: 
> > > >  > ____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  ) 
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
> > > > capstan.  
> > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > > 
> > >  > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > >
> >  >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-11 by lsf5275@aol.com

Water. Maybe with a spot of dishwashing liquid, but keep it super-mild. It  
is, after all, only dust. I think it is more likely static build-up. Try  
removing the frames between uses.
 
Frank
 
PS. If you want those tapes really clean, use alcohol. Keep rubbing until  
all the oxide comes off. 
 
 
In a message dated 3/11/2013 10:49:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were bunching up in 
 my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers since I installed 
them a  couple of years ago and I've been using the same frame for several 
weeks. It  looks like the backs of the tapes were sticking to the pinch 
rollers. After  cleaning the pinch rollers, heads and capstan, the tapes were still 
bunching  up, so I tried a different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes 
need to be  cleaned every so often? What do you use to clean  them?

Bernie

--- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> You said it!
> 
> 
> In a  message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>  tronbros@... writes:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> We have never  demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on 
> daily and  the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging 
is 
> not  something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock 
and 
>  forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. 
DON'T  
> PANIC!
> 
> 
> M
> 
> 1963 to 2013 - 50  years of mellotrons
> 
> 
> _mellotronics.com_ (_http://mellotronics.com/_ (http://mellotronics.com/) 
) on my  iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@..._ (mailto:lsf5275@...)  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Han-D-Magic
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time, 
> _fourtytwominds@..._  (mailto:fourtytwominds@...) writes:
> 
> 
> How are the  cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> 
> -Sean
> 
>  --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > So it's probably  not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a 
> pacemaker?
>  > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag  you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or 
> two. But 
> > >  that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool 
>  things 
> > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out  of the room. Do 
> all 
> > > the heads at once... Power  on... slowly sweep from head to head... 
> move the 
> > >  HCM away and unplug.
> > > 
> > > The magnetometer is  the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where 
> you 
> >  > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No  guessing.
> > > 
> > > Later you might want to get the  Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing 
else 
> is 
> > > working  right.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In a message  dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > >  tron400@ writes:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
>  > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > ---  In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Han-d-mag  
> > > > 
> > > > ____http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__) )  
> > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  
> > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  ) ) 
> > > > 
> > > > Getting a good  magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be 
> > >  indispensable 
> > > > 
> > > > ____http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__) )  
> > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  
> > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  ) ) 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In  a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> >  > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey  Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad 
> >  > > Magazine.
> > > > 
> > > >  Bernie
> > > > 
> > > > --- In ____newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) _ 
> > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > > 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013  6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > > tron400@  writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well,  not just M400's.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did 
the 
>  arm 
> > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the  tapes and 3 of them 
> didn't 
> > > > return. 
>  > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening  the 
pinch 
> > > roller 
> > > > > and pad  didn't do it).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I  played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, 
even 
> >  > after 
> > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had  bunched up in front of the 
> > > capstan. 
> > > >  When 
> > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in 
> between 
> > > the 
> > >  > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape  
> > > decided 
> > > > to 
> > > >  > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The 
>  room 
> > > is 
> > > > > pretty dry with forced  air heat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I haven't  ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound 
like 
> 
>  > > what 
> > > > > needs to be done? I have an old  fashioned head demagnetizer 
(this 
> > > kind: 
> > >  > > _____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_____ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  ) ) 
> > > > > (____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
(http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
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> > > > capstan.  
> > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > > 
>  > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > >  >
> > >
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-11 by tron400

So I shouldn't take them to the dry cleaners?

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@... wrote:
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>
> Water. Maybe with a spot of dishwashing liquid, but keep it super-mild. It  
> is, after all, only dust. I think it is more likely static build-up. Try  
> removing the frames between uses.
>  
> Frank
>  
> PS. If you want those tapes really clean, use alcohol. Keep rubbing until  
> all the oxide comes off. 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 3/11/2013 10:49:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> tron400@... writes:
> 
>  
>  
>  
> I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were bunching up in 
>  my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers since I installed 
> them a  couple of years ago and I've been using the same frame for several 
> weeks. It  looks like the backs of the tapes were sticking to the pinch 
> rollers. After  cleaning the pinch rollers, heads and capstan, the tapes were still 
> bunching  up, so I tried a different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes 
> need to be  cleaned every so often? What do you use to clean  them?
> 
> Bernie
> 
> --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > You said it!
> > 
> > 
> > In a  message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> >  tronbros@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > We have never  demagged the prototype M4000 in 5 years. It gets turned on 
> > daily and  the tapes are as fresh as the day we installed them. Demagging 
> is 
> > not  something you have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock 
> and 
> >  forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major malfunction. 
> DON'T  
> > PANIC!
> > 
> > 
> > M
> > 
> > 1963 to 2013 - 50  years of mellotrons
> > 
> > 
> > _mellotronics.com_ (_http://mellotronics.com/_ (http://mellotronics.com/) 
> ) on my  iPad
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > On 9 Mar 2013, at 19:43, _lsf5275@_ (mailto:lsf5275@)  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Han-D-Magic
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated 3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time, 
> > _fourtytwominds@_  (mailto:fourtytwominds@) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > How are the  cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> > 
> > -Sean
> > 
> >  --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So it's probably  not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a 
> > pacemaker?
> >  > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag  you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or 
> > two. But 
> > > >  that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool 
> >  things 
> > > > but can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out  of the room. Do 
> > all 
> > > > the heads at once... Power  on... slowly sweep from head to head... 
> > move the 
> > > >  HCM away and unplug.
> > > > 
> > > > The magnetometer is  the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where 
> > you 
> > >  > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No  guessing.
> > > > 
> > > > Later you might want to get the  Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing 
> else 
> > is 
> > > > working  right.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a message  dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > >  tron400@ writes:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> >  > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > > > ---  In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Han-d-mag  
> > > > > 
> > > > > ____http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__) )  
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  ) 
> > > > > (___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  
> > > > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
> (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  ) ) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Getting a good  magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be 
> > > >  indispensable 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ____http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__) )  
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  ) 
> > > > > (___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  
> > > > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
> (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  ) ) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In  a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > >  > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hey  Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad 
> > >  > > Magazine.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Bernie
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In ____newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) _ 
> > > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > > > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > > > 
> > >  > > > 
> > > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013  6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > > > tron400@  writes:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > >  > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well,  not just M400's.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >  Yesterday, after turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did 
> the 
> >  arm 
> > > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the  tapes and 3 of them 
> > didn't 
> > > > > return. 
> >  > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening  the 
> pinch 
> > > > roller 
> > > > > > and pad  didn't do it).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I  played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, 
> even 
> > >  > after 
> > > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had  bunched up in front of the 
> > > > capstan. 
> > > > >  When 
> > > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in 
> > between 
> > > > the 
> > > >  > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the capstan. The tape  
> > > > decided 
> > > > > to 
> > > > >  > take this route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The 
> >  room 
> > > > is 
> > > > > > pretty dry with forced  air heat.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I haven't  ever demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound 
> like 
> > 
> >  > > what 
> > > > > > needs to be done? I have an old  fashioned head demagnetizer 
> (this 
> > > > kind: 
> > > >  > > _____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_____ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___) )  
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  ) 
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  ) ) 
> > > > > > (____http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg____ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__) )  
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  ) 
> > > > > (___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ) ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
> > > > > capstan.  
> > > > > > Suggestions?
> > > > > > 
> >  > > > > Bernie
> > > > > >
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-12 by lsf5275@aol.com

K2R... just as good
 
 
In a message dated 3/11/2013 3:54:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tron400@yahoo.com writes:

 
 
 
So I shouldn't take them to the dry cleaners?

Bernie

--- In  _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@... wrote:
>
> Water. Maybe with a spot of dishwashing  liquid, but keep it super-mild. 
It 
> is, after all, only dust. I think  it is more likely static build-up. Try 
> removing the frames between  uses.
> 
> Frank
> 
> PS. If you want those tapes  really clean, use alcohol. Keep rubbing 
until 
> all the oxide comes  off. 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/11/2013 10:49:13 A.M.  Eastern Daylight Time, 
> tron400@... writes:
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I'm beginning to think that the backs of the tapes that were  bunching up 
in 
> my M4oo are dirty. I hadn't cleaned the pinch rollers  since I installed 
> them a couple of years ago and I've been using the  same frame for 
several 
> weeks. It looks like the backs of the tapes  were sticking to the pinch 
> rollers. After cleaning the pinch rollers,  heads and capstan, the tapes 
were still 
> bunching up, so I tried a  different frame. No bunching at all. Do tapes 
> need to be cleaned  every so often? What do you use to clean them?
> 
> Bernie
>  
> --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > You said it!
> > 
>  > 
> > In a message dated 3/9/2013 4:32:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time, 
> > tronbros@ writes:
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > We have never demagged the prototype M4000 in 5  years. It gets turned 
on 
> > daily and the tapes are as fresh as the  day we installed them. 
Demagging 
> is 
> > not something you  have to do in years unless you unplug the headblock 
> and 
> >  forget to shortout the audio box socket or have some major 
malfunction.  
> DON'T 
> > PANIC!
> > 
> > 
> >  M
> > 
> > 1963 to 2013 - 50 years of mellotrons
>  > 
> > 
> > _mellotronics.com_ (__http://mellotronics.com/__ 
(http://mellotronics.com/_)  (_http://mellotronics.com/_ (http://mellotronics.com/) ) 
> ) on my  iPad
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 9 Mar 2013, at  19:43, _lsf5275@_ (mailto:lsf5275@) wrote:
> > 
> > 
>  > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  Han-D-Magic
> > 
> > 
> > In a message dated  3/9/2013 1:59:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > _fourtytwominds@_  (mailto:fourtytwominds@) writes:
> > 
> > 
> > How  are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> > 
> >  -Sean
> > 
> > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So  it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a 
> >  pacemaker?
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > >  
> > > --- In ___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bernie, with  a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or 
> > two. But  
> > > > that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all  kinds of cool 
> > things 
> > > > but can really fuck  up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. 
Do 
> > all 
>  > > > the heads at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to  
head... 
> > move the 
> > > > HCM away and  unplug.
> > > > 
> > > > The magnetometer is the  thing. It lets you know for sure if or 
where 
> > you 
> >  > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No  
guessing.
> > > > 
> > > > Later you might want  to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing 
> else 
> > is  
> > > > working right.
> > > > 
> >  > > 
> > > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M.  Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> >  > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > >  > 
> > > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > >  > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > >  > --- In ____newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) _ 
> > > > (mailto:___newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  _ 
> > (mailto:__newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Han-d-mag 
> > > > > 
> > > > > _____http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_____ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___) )  
> > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__) )  
> > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  ) ) 
> > > > > (____http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html____ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__) )  
> > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html___ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_) )  
> > (__http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
(http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  ) ) ) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Getting a good  magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to be 
> > > >  indispensable 
> > > > > 
> > > > > _____http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_____ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___) )  
> > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__) )  ) 
> > > > (___http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__) )  
> > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_) )  ) ) 
> > > > > (____http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html____ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__) )  
> > (__http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html___ 
(http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__)   
> (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
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> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern Standard  
Time, 
> > > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > >  > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> >  > > > 
> > > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on  Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on 
Mad 
> > > > >  Magazine.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Bernie
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In _____newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
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(mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  ) ) ) , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > >  > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a humidifier.
> > > > >  > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In a  message dated 3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard 
Time, 
> > >  > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > > > 
> >  > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > >  > > 
> > > > > > Well, not just M400's.
>  > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yesterday, after  turning mine on and letting it warm up, I did 
> the 
> > arm  
> > > > > > across the keyboard trick to the end of the  tapes and 3 of 
them 
> > didn't 
> > > > > return.  
> > > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them  (loosening the 
> pinch 
> > > > roller 
> >  > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > I played with one of the keys until the tape  wouldn't return, 
> even 
> > > > after 
> >  > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of  
the 
> > > > capstan. 
> > > > > When  
> > > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in 
> > between 
> > > > the 
>  > > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in front of the  capstan. The 
tape 
> > > > decided 
> > > > >  to 
> > > > > > take this route instead of going into the  spill box. Static? 
The 
> > room 
> > > > is 
>  > > > > > pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > >  > > > 
> > > > > > I haven't ever demagged the  heads or capstan. Does that sound 
> like 
> > 
> >  > > what 
> > > > > > needs to be done? I have an  old fashioned head demagnetizer 
> (this 
> > > > kind:  
> > > > > > ______http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg______ 
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the 
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> > > > >  capstan. 
> > > > > > Suggestions?
> > > >  > > 
> > > > > > Bernie
> > > > >  >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >  >
> >
>

Re: Another M400 Question

2013-03-13 by tripod4661

One takes the headblocks out completely and demags them in the garage one does! Well away from any tapes. Not a simple task....although it occasionally benefits the heads, it is probably more useful for demagging your tron tools as when often used for other things they annoyingly become easily magnetised. Try picking up a paperclip with your screwdriver before you adjust your keyboard screws!!

John



--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "Sean" <fourtytwominds@...> wrote:
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>
> How are the cycling Mellys demagnetized anyway?
> 
> -Sean
> 
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> >
> > So it's probably not safe for general use on a cycling machine or a pacemaker?
> > 
> > Bernie
> > 
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Bernie, with a Han-D-Mag you can de-mag a headblock in a minute or two. But 
> > >  that thing is not to be trifled with. It will do all kinds of cool things 
> > > but  can really fuck up your shit. Get your tapes out of the room. Do all 
> > > the heads  at once... Power on... slowly sweep from head to head... move the 
> > > HCM away and  unplug.
> > >  
> > > The magnetometer is the thing. It lets you know for sure if or where you  
> > > have problems, and it lets you know if you solved them. No guessing.
> > >  
> > > Later you might want to get the Han-D-Mallet... for when nothing else is  
> > > working right.
> > >  
> > >  
> > > In a message dated 3/8/2013 11:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > > 
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Thanks for those links, Frank.
> > > 
> > > Bernie
> > > 
> > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) ,  lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Han-d-mag 
> > > > 
> > > > __http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html__ 
> > > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_)   
> > > > (_http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html_ 
> > > (http://usrecordingmedia.com/handmagdebyr.html) )  
> > > > 
> > > > Getting a good magnetometer is a good idea. I find mine to  be 
> > > indispensable 
> > > > 
> > > > __http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html__ 
> > > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_)   
> > > > (_http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html_ 
> > > (http://www.rbannis.com/products/handmags.html) )  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > In a message dated 3/6/2013 12:33:34 P.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
> > > > tron400@ writes:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > Hey Frank, when I do a search on Man-D-Mag, I just get hits on Mad  
> > > > Magazine.
> > > > 
> > > > Bernie
> > > > 
> > > > --- In __newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) _  
> > > > (mailto:_newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com_ 
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com) )  , lsf5275@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Buy a Man-D-Mag and a  humidifier.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In a message dated  3/6/2013 6:54:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> > > > > tron400@  writes:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Well, not just M400's.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yesterday, after turning  mine on and letting it warm up, I did the arm 
> > > > > across the  keyboard trick to the end of the tapes and 3 of them didn't 
> > > > return.  
> > > > > I had to remove the keyboard to release them (loosening the  pinch 
> > > roller 
> > > > > and pad didn't do it).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I  played with one of the keys until the tape wouldn't return, even 
> > > after  
> > > > > removing the keyboard. The tape had bunched up in front of the  
> > > capstan. 
> > > > When 
> > > > > I unbunched it, I found that a small tape  loop had gotten in between 
> > > the 
> > > > > capstan and the long felt pad in  front of the capstan. The tape 
> > > decided 
> > > > to 
> > > > > take this  route instead of going into the spill box. Static? The room 
> > > is 
> > > > >  pretty dry with forced air heat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I haven't ever  demagged the heads or capstan. Does that sound like 
> > > what 
> > > > > needs  to be done? I have an old fashioned head demagnetizer (this 
> > > kind: 
> > > >  > ___http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg___ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__)   
> > > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_) )  
> > > > > (__http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg__ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_)   
> > > > (_http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg_ 
> > > (http://www.splicit.com/images/Demagnetizer2.jpg) )  ) ), but I'm not sure it will work on the 
> > > > capstan. 
> > > > >  Suggestions?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Bernie
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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