OBERHEIM SYNTH

Good point.
The Juno-106 does have bass boost on HPF setting 0. (The Juno-60 however does not.)
Try that again, with high volume (don't just normalize those super low level waveforms, they won't represent reality...)
and set the HPF slider on the Juno-106 to 1.
Anyway, the waveforms still look synced or just plain weird. On both synths. IMO.

BR,
Peter



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Martin Ator 
  To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12


    

  I don't own a matrix 12.

  If you have an audio interface with a software mixer check that it's set up properly.
  You need to 'Normalise' those waveforms and get them up to @0dB so they can be heard. 

  Although it's quiet it sounds OK to me. The Juno series had a 'Bass Boost' built into their circuitry I believe, so they are naturally bass heavy because of this.


  Does the matrix 12 have CEM3372 filter chips? My Akai AX-80 has CEM3372's. They are not very bass heavy individually, but sound OK with all voices playing. I don't think the CEM3372 is particularly well know for bass. These 3372 chips usually get configured to enable high pass filtering. I don't know if the Matrix 12 has HPF, but HPF circuits can knock a little bass off sometimes, but like I said, I don't think the CEM3372 is a bass maker. They sound great to my ears.

  A little EQ would give more bass, and thats may be what your hearing on youtube etc. The videos I just checked out quickly sound CEM3372-ish to me and so does you audio example (apart form volume of course) I don't think there's any major problems. If you have high pass filtering, have a play around and listen to how it knocks the bass of the bottom.

  Martin






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  From: Peter Mörck <peter@...>
  To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 17:58
  Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12



    
  Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P
  I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.
  Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
  Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.
  Like synced or something...
  Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.
  This recording just seemed strange.

  BR,
  Peter


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Loveslap! Recordings 
    To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM
    Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12


      
    sanity check: 
    http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

    right channel is Juno106
    left channel is matrix 12

    both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
    filter is wide open
    resonance is at 0
    all modulation is off





    On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

      i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.  



      On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

          
        I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.


        They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.


        I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc








        On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:


            
          Hello

          I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

          I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

          Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
          But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

          Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

          Is this normal?

          I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!







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