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trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-16 by oberhomie

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

RE: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-16 by synthwalker

Matrix-12 / Xpander are great synths, but they don\u2019t have balls like Memorymoog / Prophet-5, they have boobs instead\u2026

Resonance to 63 means filter self-oscillation and yes this is normal.

De : oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] De la part de oberhomie
Envoyé : mardi 16 octobre 2012 16:58
À : oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-16 by Loveslap! Recordings

thanks for answering...

i find myself always wanting to boost the low end... also normal?

it is normal for there to be a world of difference between RES=62 and RES=63??

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On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:39 PM, synthwalker <synthwalker@...> wrote:

Matrix-12 / Xpander are great synths, but they don’t have balls like Memorymoog / Prophet-5, they have boobs instead…

Resonance to 63 means filter self-oscillation and yes this is normal.

De : oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] De la part de oberhomie
Envoyé : mardi 16 octobre 2012 16:58
À : oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-17 by Les Lambert

It's possible that the samples you are comparing it to have undergone change after they left the instrument, either accidentally or by design.
EQ is the first thing people try, but isn't usually the right solution.
Compression is usually the next thing, but........ditto.

If you have a known good audio monitor system a working xpander should make be able to make the dust fly out of the speaker cab ports. Just like one of your CDs turned up loud.

Poor low frequency response can be caused by coupling capacitors drying out, but this isn't usually the first place to look, and unless you have all the information, test equipment, tools,expertise and parts you need, it could end badly.
The internet is encouraging us towards this kind of activity, but it's not a sensible option for the inexperienced, who can be prone to mis-diagnosis in the first instance, and careless work these fine instruments do not deserve.
It's possible to degrade the frequency response by shunting the output of most audio devices with a low impedance.

--- On Tue, 16/10/12, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

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From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012, 23:05

      thanks for answering...

i find myself always wanting to boost the low end... also normal?

it is normal for there to be a world of difference between RES=62 and RES=63??

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:39 PM, synthwalker <synthwalker@...> wrote:

Matrix-12 / Xpander are great synths, but they don’t have balls like Memorymoog / Prophet-5, they have boobs instead…
Resonance to 63 means filter self-oscillation and yes this is normal. 
 De : oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] De la part de oberhomie

Envoyé : mardi 16 octobre 2012 16:58
À : oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
   Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

-- 
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)

http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-17 by Loveslap! Recordings

i definitely have a reliable monitor system/room/.. as well as other synths which easily shake the room without the aid of eq/compression.

"Poor low frequency response can be caused by coupling capacitors drying out, but this isn't usually the first place to look, and unless you have all the information, test equipment, tools,expertise and parts"

what is the first place to look? I have scope, multimeter, proper soldering/desoldering rig.. my expertise is a solid medium (i've fixed juno106 problems (pots, sliders, chips, outputs, leds, I've never rebuilt a power supply)..

i'm in Brazil.. shipping tech in and out of the country is a big hassle so I'd prefer to fix things here myself...

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Les Lambert <les_lmbrt@...> wrote:

It's possible that the samples you are comparing it to have undergone change after they left the instrument, either accidentally or by design.
EQ is the first thing people try, but isn't usually the right solution.
Compression is usually the next thing, but........ditto.

If you have a known good audio monitor system a working xpander should make be able to make the dust fly out of the speaker cab ports. Just like one of your CDs turned up loud.

Poor low frequency response can be caused by coupling capacitors drying out, but this isn't usually the first place to look, and unless you have all the information, test equipment, tools,expertise and parts you need, it could end badly.
The internet is encouraging us towards this kind of activity, but it's not a sensible option for the inexperienced, who can be prone to mis-diagnosis in the first instance, and careless work these fine instruments do not deserve.
It's possible to degrade the frequency response by shunting the output of most audio devices with a low impedance.

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--- On Tue, 16/10/12, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...m>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012, 23:05

thanks for answering...

i find myself always wanting to boost the low end... also normal?

it is normal for there to be a world of difference between RES=62 and RES=63??

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:39 PM, synthwalker <synthwalker@...> wrote:

Matrix-12 / Xpander are great synths, but they don’t have balls like Memorymoog / Prophet-5, they have boobs instead…

Resonance to 63 means filter self-oscillation and yes this is normal.

De : oberheim@...m [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] De la part de oberhomie
Envoyé : mardi 16 octobre 2012 16:58
À : oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-17 by Les Lambert

I understand your viewpoint, that's what got me involved in the first place.
I did trash a few items early on, and needed a solid year of professional work in the field of what's now antique electronic construction techniques to get good enough to tackle other people's guitar amps and keyboards.
Things are even worse now I reckon, but.........

As the item in question is a generator, rather than a serial processor, like an amp or effects unit, you can't inject a known good signal, so I'd start at the output and work backwards.
Use a straightforward patch in the Matrix with no fancy modulation, jam a key down carefully with something jammed between two keys to provide a constant signal.
With the oscilloscope, you should AC couple its input and discharge the probe tip by touching it to the chassis before each test probing.
Any poor contact or reduced value capacitor in line with any signal path will degrade it. Look for poor contacts on connectors, though the Matrix is usually fine here, unlike earlier synths.
Start with the output socket and adjust the scope for a clear display of whatever note is playing out of the Matrix, I'd play a low one, then look on the circuit diagram to see where the signal has come from just prior to this. 
By gradually working back through the circuit, you might find a place where the level is much higher at low frequency. 
The original coupling capacitor has been chosen to be a large enough value to allow a full range signal to pass, allowing for its load impedance. If the capacitance drops or the load drops, the low cutoff frequency will change. Like turning the bass control down on your listening channel.
There are other problems that can cause a similar symptom, but in this particular set of circumstances, the cap or the load are usually it.
A common example of low load impedance can be heard by plugging a strat into the mic input on a laptop or pc. Guitars are higher impedance than keyboards, but you can hear what the symptoms are like.
It's easier to find something if you can recognise it.

Good luck, but don't start  with a soldering iron just because you have one.


--- On Wed, 17/10/12, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

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From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 11:20

      i definitely have a reliable monitor system/room/.. as well as other synths which easily shake the room without the aid of eq/compression.

"Poor low frequency response can be caused by coupling capacitors drying 
out, but this isn't usually the first place to look, and unless you have
 all the information, test equipment, tools,expertise and parts"

what is the first place to look?  I have scope, multimeter,  proper soldering/desoldering rig.. my expertise is a solid medium (i've fixed juno106 problems (pots, sliders, chips, outputs, leds,  I've never rebuilt a power supply)..

i'm in Brazil.. shipping tech in and out of the country is a big hassle so I'd prefer to fix things here myself...  

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Les Lambert <les_lmbrt@...> wrote:

      It's possible that the samples you are comparing it to have undergone change after they left the instrument, either accidentally or by design.

EQ is the first thing people try, but isn't usually the right solution.
Compression is usually the next thing, but........ditto.

If you have a known good audio monitor system a working xpander should make be able to make the dust fly out of the speaker cab ports. Just like one of your CDs turned up loud.

Poor low frequency response can be caused by coupling capacitors drying out, but this isn't usually the first place to look, and unless you have all the information, test equipment, tools,expertise and parts you need, it could end badly.

The internet is encouraging us towards this kind of activity, but it's not a sensible option for the inexperienced, who can be prone to mis-diagnosis in the first
 instance, and careless work these fine instruments do not deserve.
It's possible to degrade the frequency response by shunting the output of most audio devices with a low impedance.

--- On Tue, 16/10/12, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 16 October, 2012, 23:05

      thanks for answering...

i find myself always wanting to boost the low end... also normal?

it is normal for there to be a world of difference between RES=62 and RES=63??

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 6:39 PM, synthwalker <synthwalker@...> wrote:

Matrix-12 / Xpander are great synths, but they don’t have balls like Memorymoog / Prophet-5, they have boobs instead…
Resonance to 63 means filter self-oscillation and yes this is normal. 

 De : oberheim@yahoogroups.com [mailto:oberheim@yahoogroups.com] De la part de oberhomie

Envoyé : mardi 16 octobre 2012 16:58
À : oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

   Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

-- 
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)

http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

-- 
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)

http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-17 by Paul Cunningham

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

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On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

> Hello
> 
> I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)
> 
> I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..
> 
> Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
> But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.
> 
> Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.
> 
> Is this normal?
> 
> I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!
>

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-17 by Loveslap! Recordings

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Loveslap! Recordings

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Peter Mörck

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P

I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.

Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?

Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.

Like synced or something...

Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.

This recording just seemed strange.

BR,

Peter

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----- Original Message -----

From: Loveslap! Recordings

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Martin Ator

I don't own a matrix 12.

If you have an audio interface with a software mixer check that it's set up properly.
You need to 'Normalise' those waveforms and get them up to @0dB so they can be heard. 

Although it's quiet it sounds OK to me. The Juno series had a 'Bass Boost' built into their circuitry I believe, so they are naturally bass heavy because of this.


Does the matrix 12 have CEM3372 filter chips? My Akai AX-80 has CEM3372's. They are not very bass heavy individually, but sound OK with all voices playing. I don't think the CEM3372 is particularly well know for bass. These 3372 chips usually get configured to enable high pass filtering. I don't know if the Matrix 12 has HPF, but HPF circuits can knock a little bass off sometimes, but like I said, I don't think the CEM3372 is a bass maker. They sound great to my ears.

A little EQ would give more bass, and thats may be what your hearing on youtube etc. The videos I just checked out quickly sound CEM3372-ish to me and so does you audio example (apart form volume of course) I don't think there's any major problems. If you have high pass filtering, have a play around and listen to how it knocks the bass of the bottom.

Martin




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 From: Peter Mörck <peter@morck.info>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 17:58
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  
Perhaps turning the volume up helps? 
:P
I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity 
at normal zoom level.
Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and 
the Matrix ones.
Like synced or something...
Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if 
there was any.
This recording just seemed strange.
 
BR,
Peter
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Loveslap!  Recordings 
>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54  AM
>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to  diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>
>  
>sanity check: 
>http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb
>
>right 
  channel is Juno106
>left channel is matrix 12
>
>both are single saw 
  waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
>filter is 
  wide open
>resonance is at 0
>all modulation is off
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:
>
>i will  post an audio example for sanity check purposes.  
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>  
>>>I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex  textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a  respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big  lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you  said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard  sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit  different, but they sound amazing all together.
>>>
>>>
>>>They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a  little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the  modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular  synthesizer.
>>>
>>>
>>>I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a  pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other  right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can  get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>>Hello
>>>>
>>>>I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 
        1.1)
>>>>
>>>>I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound 
        much better..
>>>>
>>>>Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with 
        any tuning.
>>>>But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the 
        factory presets don't really impress.
>>>>
>>>>Once thing I've noticed is 
        that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 
        62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a 
        pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.
>>>>
>>>>Is this normal?
>>>>
>>>>I 
        really want to get this thing sounding 
      good!!!
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Loveslap Recordings
>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>
>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back 
    (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Loveslap Recordings
>http://www.loveslap.com
>
>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ 
  BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Peter Mörck

Good point.
The Juno-106 does have bass boost on HPF setting 0. (The Juno-60 however does not.)
Try that again, with high volume (don't just normalize those super low level waveforms, they won't represent reality...)
and set the HPF slider on the Juno-106 to 1.
Anyway, the waveforms still look synced or just plain weird. On both synths. IMO.

BR,
Peter

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----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Ator
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

I don't own a matrix 12.

If you have an audio interface with a software mixer check that it's set up properly.
You need to 'Normalise' those waveforms and get them up to @0dB so they can be heard.

Although it's quiet it sounds OK to me. The Juno series had a 'Bass Boost' built into their circuitry I believe, so they are naturally bass heavy because of this.

Does the matrix 12 have CEM3372 filter chips? My Akai AX-80 has CEM3372's. They are not very bass heavy individually, but sound OK with all voices playing. I don't think the CEM3372 is particularly well know for bass. These 3372 chips usually get configured to enable high pass filtering. I don't know if the Matrix 12 has HPF, but HPF circuits can knock a little bass off sometimes, but like I said, I don't think the CEM3372 is a bass maker. They sound great to my ears.

A little EQ would give more bass, and thats may be what your hearing on youtube etc. The videos I just checked out quickly sound CEM3372-ish to me and so does you audio example (apart form volume of course) I don't think there's any major problems. If you have high pass filtering, have a play around and listen to how it knocks the bass of the bottom.

Martin

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Peter Mörck <peter@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 17:58
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P
I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.
Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.
Like synced or something...
Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.
This recording just seemed strange.

BR,
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: Loveslap! Recordings
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Loveslap! Recordings

I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.

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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P

I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.

Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?

Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.

Like synced or something...

Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.

This recording just seemed strange.

BR,

Peter

----- Original Message -----

From: Loveslap! Recordings

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&;cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Martin Ator

Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?  

Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.

Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?

The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.

What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?


Martin




________________________________

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 From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  
I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.




On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

 
>  
> 
>Perhaps turning the volume up helps? 
:P
>I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity 
at normal zoom level.
>Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
>Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and 
the Matrix ones.
>Like synced or something...
>Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if 
there was any.
>This recording just seemed strange.
> 
>BR,
>Peter
> 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Loveslap!  Recordings 
>>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54  AM
>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to  diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>>
>>  
>>sanity check: 
>>http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb
>>
>>right 
  channel is Juno106
>>left channel is matrix 12
>>
>>both are single saw 
  waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
>>filter is 
  wide open
>>resonance is at 0
>>all modulation is off
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:
>>
>>i will  post an audio example for sanity check purposes.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex  textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a  respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big  lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you  said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard  sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit  different, but they sound amazing all together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a  little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the  modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular  synthesizer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a  pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other  right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can  get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>>Hello
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 
        1.1)
>>>>>
>>>>>I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound 
        much better..
>>>>>
>>>>>Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with 
        any tuning.
>>>>>But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the 
        factory presets don't really impress.
>>>>>
>>>>>Once thing I've noticed is 
        that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 
        62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a 
        pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this normal?
>>>>>
>>>>>I 
        really want to get this thing sounding 
      good!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>
>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back 
    (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Loveslap Recordings
>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>
>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ 
  BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>


-- 
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Martin Ator

Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115





________________________________

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 From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  
Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?  

Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.

Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?

The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.

What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?


Martin



________________________________
 From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  
I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.




On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

 
>  
> 
>Perhaps turning the volume up helps? 
:P
>I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity 
at normal zoom level.
>Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
>Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and 
the Matrix ones.
>Like synced or something...
>Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if 
there was any.
>This recording just seemed strange.
> 
>BR,
>Peter
> 
> 
>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: Loveslap!  Recordings 
>>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54  AM
>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to  diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>>
>>  
>>sanity check: 
>>http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb
>>
>>right 
  channel is Juno106
>>left channel is matrix 12
>>
>>both are single saw 
  waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
>>filter is 
  wide open
>>resonance is at 0
>>all modulation is off
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>i will  post an audio example for sanity check purposes.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>>  
>>>>I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex  textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a  respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big  lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you  said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard  sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit  different, but they sound amazing all together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a  little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the  modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular  synthesizer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a  pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other  right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can  get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>>Hello
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 
        1.1)
>>>>>
>>>>>I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound 
        much better..
>>>>>
>>>>>Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with 
        any tuning.
>>>>>But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the 
        factory presets don't really impress.
>>>>>
>>>>>Once thing I've noticed is 
        that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 
        62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a 
        pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.
>>>>>
>>>>>Is this normal?
>>>>>
>>>>>I 
        really want to get this thing sounding 
      good!!!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>
>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back 
    (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Loveslap Recordings
>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>
>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ 
  BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>


-- 
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Loveslap! Recordings

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead?

i don't think so.

Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry

. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?

it's only stereo outputs plus the mono

Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.

okay but can I ask why?

Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?

juno works great.

The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.

What';s the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?

i bought it used and it almost immediately started having voice problems.. the seller advised me to try poking the IC chips with a pencil, which amazingly fixed the voice problems.

it was in storage for a few years and now i'm ready to get this thing rocking..

Martin

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From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P

I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.

Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?

Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.

Like synced or something...

Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.

This recording just seemed strange.

BR,

Peter

----- Original Message -----

From: Loveslap! Recordings

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Loveslap! Recordings

Changing velocity sensitiy didn't help..

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...>; wrote:

Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115

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From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?

Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.

Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?

The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.

What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?

Martin

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P

I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.

Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?

Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.

Like synced or something...

Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.

This recording just seemed strange.

BR,

Peter

----- Original Message -----

From: Loveslap! Recordings

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&;alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Martin Ator

If the volume control is set at maximum can you use VCA settings in the programming section to make the sound quieter?



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 From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 21:50
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  
Changing velocity sensitiy didn't help..


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

 
>  
>Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
>To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54
>
>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
> 
>
>
>  
>Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?  
>
>Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.
>
>
>Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?
>
>
>The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.
>
>
>What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?
>
>
>
>Martin
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
> 
>
>  
>I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.
>
>
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:
>
> 
>>  
>> 
>>Perhaps turning the volume up helps? 
:P
>>I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity 
at normal zoom level.
>>Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
>>Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and 
the Matrix ones.
>>Like synced or something...
>>Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if 
there was any.
>>This recording just seemed strange.
>> 
>>BR,
>>Peter
>> 
>> 
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>From: Loveslap!  Recordings 
>>>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54  AM
>>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to  diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>>>
>>>  
>>>sanity check: 
>>>http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb
>>>
>>>right 
  channel is Juno106
>>>left channel is matrix 12
>>>
>>>both are single saw 
  waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
>>>filter is 
  wide open
>>>resonance is at 0
>>>all modulation is off
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>i will  post an audio example for sanity check purposes.  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@cometway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>>I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex  textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a  respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big  lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you  said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard  sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit  different, but they sound amazing all together.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a  little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the  modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular  synthesizer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a  pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other  right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can  get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 
        1.1)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound 
        much better..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with 
        any tuning.
>>>>>>But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the 
        factory presets don't really impress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Once thing I've noticed is 
        that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 
        62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a 
        pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is this normal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I 
        really want to get this thing sounding 
      good!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>>
>>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back 
    (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>
>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ 
  BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>
>
>
>-- 
>Loveslap Recordings
>http://www.loveslap.com
>
>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Loveslap! Recordings

Yes.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

If the volume control is set at maximum can you use VCA settings in the programming section to make the sound quieter?

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 21:50

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Changing velocity sensitiy didn't help..

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115

From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?

Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.

Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?

The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.

What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?

Martin

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P

I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.

Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?

Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.

Like synced or something...

Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.

This recording just seemed strange.

BR,

Peter

----- Original Message -----

From: Loveslap! Recordings

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@cometway.com> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

--
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Martin Ator

I'm only guessing as I don't have access to a service manual. From your descriptions and the tests that you've done, it seems then that everything works normally, filters, VCA's VCO's etc. 

All that is wrong is that it doesn't go very loud. This narrows it down a bit I suppose to the volume control or final VCA. There could be a CEM3372 on it's own that's used as a final volume control?.

It says in the user manual I think about hot swapping jacks, but anyway, all I know is that sometimes manufacturers didn't bother to put the correct buffer circuits in that Curtis Electro Music specified or suggested to help protect the CEM chips from damage. I don't know if these protection circuits are in the Matrix 12 but I would guess they are. Because CEM chips are not very common any more I would be wary of hot swapping. It's better to be safe than sorry.


I'm all out of ideas.

Martin




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 From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 22:07
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  
Yes.   


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

 
>  
>If the volume control is set at maximum can you use VCA settings in the programming section to make the sound quieter?
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 21:50
>
>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
> 
>
>
>  
>Changing velocity sensitiy didn't help..
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...m> wrote:
>
> 
>>  
>>Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
>>To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54
>>
>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>> 
>>
>>
>>  
>>Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?  
>>
>>Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.
>>
>>
>>Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?
>>
>>
>>The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.
>>
>>
>>What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?
>>
>>
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
>>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>> 
>>
>>  
>>I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>Perhaps turning the volume up helps? 
:P
>>>I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity 
at normal zoom level.
>>>Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
>>>Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and 
the Matrix ones.
>>>Like synced or something...
>>>Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if 
there was any.
>>>This recording just seemed strange.
>>> 
>>>BR,
>>>Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: Loveslap!  Recordings 
>>>>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54  AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to  diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>sanity check: 
>>>>http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb
>>>>
>>>>right 
  channel is Juno106
>>>>left channel is matrix 12
>>>>
>>>>both are single saw 
  waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
>>>>filter is 
  wide open
>>>>resonance is at 0
>>>>all modulation is off
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>i will  post an audio example for sanity check purposes.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex  textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a  respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big  lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you  said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard  sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit  different, but they sound amazing all together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a  little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the  modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular  synthesizer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a  pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other  right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can  get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 
        1.1)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound 
        much better..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with 
        any tuning.
>>>>>>>But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the 
        factory presets don't really impress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Once thing I've noticed is 
        that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 
        62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a 
        pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is this normal?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I 
        really want to get this thing sounding 
      good!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back 
    (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>>
>>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ 
  BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>>
>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Loveslap Recordings
>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>
>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>-- 
>Loveslap Recordings
>http://www.loveslap.com
>
>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>
>
>


-- 
Loveslap Recordings
http://www.loveslap.com

Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by Martin Ator

EDIT:  How similar is the Matrix 12 to the Expander?

I thought from pictures of the Matrix 12 internals I'd seen that the volume control was a potentiometer. If it is an encoder  instead than there could be a problem with that not sending the correct signals. There may be a way to test that with the built in test routines. I have found an Expander service manual online. I may have a read through that.




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 From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 22:47
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  


I'm only guessing as I don't have access to a service manual. From your descriptions and the tests that you've done, it seems then that everything works normally, filters, VCA's VCO's etc. 

All that is wrong is that it doesn't go very loud. This narrows it down a bit I suppose to the volume control or final VCA. There could be a CEM3372 on it's own that's used as a final volume control?.

It says in the user manual I think about hot swapping jacks, but anyway, all I know is that sometimes manufacturers didn't bother to put the correct buffer circuits in that Curtis Electro Music specified or suggested to help protect the CEM chips from damage. I don't know if these protection circuits are in the Matrix 12 but I would guess they are. Because CEM chips are not very common any more I would be wary of hot swapping. It's better to be safe than sorry.


I'm all out of ideas.

Martin




________________________________
 From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 22:07
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
 

  
Yes.   


On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

 
>  
>If the volume control is set at maximum can you use VCA settings in the programming section to make the sound quieter?
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 21:50
>
>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
> 
>
>
>  
>Changing velocity sensitiy didn't help..
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> 
>>  
>>Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
>>To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com> 
>>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54
>>
>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>> 
>>
>>
>>  
>>Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?  
>>
>>Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.
>>
>>
>>Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?
>>
>>
>>The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.
>>
>>
>>What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?
>>
>>
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com>
>>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>> 
>>
>>  
>>I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>Perhaps turning the volume up helps? 
:P
>>>I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity 
at normal zoom level.
>>>Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?
>>>Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and 
the Matrix ones.
>>>Like synced or something...
>>>Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if 
there was any.
>>>This recording just seemed strange.
>>> 
>>>BR,
>>>Peter
>>> 
>>> 
>>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>From: Loveslap!  Recordings 
>>>>To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com 
>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54  AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to  diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>sanity check: 
>>>>http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb
>>>>
>>>>right 
  channel is Juno106
>>>>left channel is matrix 12
>>>>
>>>>both are single saw 
  waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
>>>>filter is 
  wide open
>>>>resonance is at 0
>>>>all modulation is off
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>i will  post an audio example for sanity check purposes.  
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex  textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a  respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big  lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you  said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard  sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit  different, but they sound amazing all together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a  little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the  modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular  synthesizer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a  pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other  right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can  get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 
        1.1)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound 
        much better..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with 
        any tuning.
>>>>>>>But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the 
        factory presets don't really impress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Once thing I've noticed is 
        that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 
        62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a 
        pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is this normal?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I 
        really want to get this thing sounding 
      good!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-- 
>>>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back 
    (w/ BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- 
>>>>Loveslap Recordings
>>>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>>>
>>>>Galaxy Group - Ease Back (w/ 
  BSC and 1200 Warriors Remixes)
>>>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>>>
>>
>>
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>>http://www.loveslap.com
>>
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>>http://www.traxsource.com/index.php?act=show&fc=tpage&cr=titles&cv=33653&alias=downloads
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>
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Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2012-10-18 by carl hourigan

can u guys PM, your filling up my email! ha!

On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Martin Ator wrote:

EDIT: How similar is the Matrix 12 to the Expander?

I thought from pictures of the Matrix 12 internals I'd seen that the volume control was a potentiometer. If it is an encoder instead than there could be a problem with that not sending the correct signals. There may be a way to test that with the built in test routines. I have found an Expander service manual online. I may have a read through that.

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From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 22:47
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

I'm only guessing as I don't have access to a service manual. From your descriptions and the tests that you've done, it seems then that everything works normally, filters, VCA's VCO's etc.
All that is wrong is that it doesn't go very loud. This narrows it down a bit I suppose to the volume control or final VCA. There could be a CEM3372 on it's own that's used as a final volume control?.

It says in the user manual I think about hot swapping jacks, but anyway, all I know is that sometimes manufacturers didn't bother to put the correct buffer circuits in that Curtis Electro Music specified or suggested to help protect the CEM chips from damage. I don't know if these protection circuits are in the Matrix 12 but I would guess they are. Because CEM chips are not very common any more I would be wary of hot swapping. It's better to be safe than sorry.

I'm all out of ideas.
Martin

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 22:07
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Yes.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

If the volume control is set at maximum can you use VCA settings in the programming section to make the sound quieter?

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 21:50

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Changing velocity sensitiy didn't help..

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115

From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?

Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.

Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?

The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.

What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?

Martin

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P

I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.

Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?

Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.

Like synced or something...

Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.

This recording just seemed strange.

BR,

Peter

----- Original Message -----

From: Loveslap! Recordings

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

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FS\FT: Oberheim Minisequencer CPS-2

2012-11-06 by Jason

I am selling my Oberheim Minisequencer Model cps-2. It is factory cased and powered from 1972. The outer case has a few abrasions. The face is very clean. The light does not work on the 6 step but I am going to have that fixed and the machine checked out before shipping. Other than the light, I would say it is 8 of 10 cosmetically if 10 is new in box. Email for pics. Payment via Paypal with buyer\seller protection and I will ship worldwide.

$1600 obo

I am also selling my arp Oddy mkII with midi. Email for details.

Trades: I would be into a ob-xa 6+ voices or obx 4+ voices. +\- cash or other gear depending on condition.

Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

2013-01-20 by Loveslap! Recordings

I did some experiments with an audio probe

I definitely like the signal coming direct from the 2 voice boards.. It has the missing bass and noticeably louder. (not dramatically louder).. maybe 2-3 db more signal.. mostly in the bass.

and I get the same signal on all the signal-bearing pins of the volume pot

and i look at the 2 capacitors next to the volume pot and wonder if they need to exist at all...

i think the problem lives somewhere between the volume pot and the outputs?

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

I'm only guessing as I don't have access to a service manual. From your descriptions and the tests that you've done, it seems then that everything works normally, filters, VCA's VCO's etc.

All that is wrong is that it doesn't go very loud. This narrows it down a bit I suppose to the volume control or final VCA. There could be a CEM3372 on it's own that's used as a final volume control?.

It says in the user manual I think about hot swapping jacks, but anyway, all I know is that sometimes manufacturers didn't bother to put the correct buffer circuits in that Curtis Electro Music specified or suggested to help protect the CEM chips from damage. I don't know if these protection circuits are in the Matrix 12 but I would guess they are. Because CEM chips are not very common any more I would be wary of hot swapping. It's better to be safe than sorry.

I'm all out of ideas.
Martin

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From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 22:07

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Yes.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

If the volume control is set at maximum can you use VCA settings in the programming section to make the sound quieter?

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@gmail.com>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 21:50

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Changing velocity sensitiy didn't help..

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Martin Ator <cyllall@...> wrote:

Check if you get any changes by editing velocity sensitivity etc pages 68, 89, 70 of the user manual, also check VCA settings page 115

From: Martin Ator <cyllall@...>
To: "oberheim@yahoogroups.com" <oberheim@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 20:54

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

Have you got it set up to control volume using pedals instead? Somethings not quite right. It shouldn't be that quiet. I don't know if the volume is microprocessor controlled? Maybe some parts of the volume control circuitry have gone awry. Is it the same for all patches I take it? Has this been modded for individual output jacks, if so are these working OK?

Try not to do any hot swapping. Power down before plugging any jacks in/out.

Your Juno works fine with your audio interface? No -10db, 0db, +4dB switches switched to the wrong thin anywhere?

The answer could be something simple and because it's passing audio it might not be a very big problem to fix.

What's the history of this Matrix 12, was it working fine at one stage?

Martin

From: Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:48
Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

I turned the juno way down to match the maximum volume of the matrix.

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:

Perhaps turning the volume up helps? :P

I could barely even see the waveforms in Audacity at normal zoom level.

Is your mixer/soundcard healthy?

Those waveforms look terrible, both the Juno and the Matrix ones.

Like synced or something...

Turn the volume up and try bypassing any mixers if there was any.

This recording just seemed strange.

BR,

Peter

----- Original Message -----

From: Loveslap! Recordings

To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:54 AM

Subject: Re: [oberheim] trying to diagnose generall weakness of my matrix 12

sanity check:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f8slzb

right channel is Juno106
left channel is matrix 12

both are single saw waves (no sub osc on the juno, only one osc used on the matrix)
filter is wide open
resonance is at 0
all modulation is off

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Loveslap! Recordings <loveslap@...> wrote:

i will post an audio example for sanity check purposes.

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:

I find that Oberheims (from the Matrix era) are awesome for complex textures and realtime modulation, and while they do (and should) have a respectable low-end, they are not heavy-handed. You can still get some big lows though using the triangle waveform and a bit of resonance like you said. Most of the sound is in those CEM chips and each Oberheim I've heard sounds unique. I have four Matrix-1000s and each one is a little bit different, but they sound amazing all together.

They are unlike other hybrid synths in the sense that there is a little of "play" in the settings and that this, when combined with the modulation matrix, add up to something more like a single board modular synthesizer.

I have no idea about the factory programs for the Matrix-12, but a pair of Matrix-1000s playing the same patch, one panned left and the other right, sounds tremendous! It's a subtle thing, but I expect that you can get some amazing imagery using the same approach. -pc

On Oct 16, 2012, at 10:58 AM, oberhomie wrote:

Hello

I have a Matrix 12 (Voice 1.4) (Main Software 1.1)

I like it but when I listen to online samples they sound much better..

Mine seems to lack "balls".. I have no trouble with any tuning.
But my low end doesn't seem to be there and many of the factory presets don't really impress.

Once thing I've noticed is that when I adjust the VCF resonance, there is a HUGE difference between 62, and 63.. in fact resonance=63 is the only time the synth grows a pair... 0-62 is wimpy, 63 is burly.

Is this normal?

I really want to get this thing sounding good!!!

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