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2005-07-16 by _5ht
Can anyone tell me if the following knob box can be compatible with the Matrix 1000? http://www.behringer.com/BCR2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG I have the software editor, but I dislike using it and would like to program a knob box to edit my Matrix 1000.
2005-07-16 by james
Hi, Looks like a useful box. I'll give you my opinion but first I should let you know that I have a Matrix 6R which is similar but not the same as your Matrix 1000. Secondly I don't have the button box in hand to try out on my synth. So there is know way for me to really know if this is a good purchase. Never the less I think it should work for most part. There are many parameters that send a small message consisting of 7 bytes. These are any parameter change where the value being sent is positive i.e.. 0 - 127. I think the box would be able to handle these fairly well. However there are other parameters that require a bigger message of 274 bytes, and essentially that is the whole patch being sent just to change one parameter i.e.. -63 - +63. At least that is what happens with the Matrix 6 which is nearly the same animal as the Matrix 1000. In the case of a whole patch being sent I don't think the box would work because it has no reference as to what the rest of the patch is. Since you have the editing software you should down load some Midi monitoring Software to see what is being sent out to your Matrix 1000. Many of these programs such as "Midi Monitor" are free, and will help you learn what the System Exclusive commands for your Synth are. The bottom line is this box won't entirely replace your patch editing software, but considering the lack of a user interface on the Matrix 1000 it would be nice to have especially for live performance. By the way what editing software are you using? I have Opcodes Edit One for Matrix 6. I am currently developing a patch editor in Cocoa to run on OS X 10.4. This is mostly for my self but if there is enough interest I will make it available to others. James --- _5ht <_5ht@...> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if the following knob box can be > compatible with > the Matrix 1000? > > http://www.behringer.com/BCR2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG > > I have the software editor, but I dislike using it > and would like to > program a knob box to edit my Matrix 1000. > > >
2005-07-16 by Tony C
Yes-but the M1k is kind-of a pain to use with remote editors. You have to understand how to send NRPN parameters, and I knew of several people who had problems
2005-07-16 by Charles Massey
Where is the Xpansions list located? Charlie
On Jul 15, 2005, at 10:06 PM, Tony C wrote: > > Also try Xpansions, the Xpander mailing list. You can post questions > for any OB Matrix synth there. >
2005-07-16 by Tony C
google xpansions or xpansions-request@synthcom.com
2005-07-16 by Charles Massey
Thanks Tony C! Charlie
On Jul 16, 2005, at 12:27 PM, Tony C wrote: > google xpansions > > or > > xpansions-request@... >
2005-07-16 by Tony C
I think you ll find more possibilities on Analogue Heaventhough. Xpansions is extrmeley low traffix. onAH you ll get several digests a day ful of mail, and
2005-07-17 by Charles Massey
Good suggestions TonyC! Right now I am working on my CD and am cutting back a bit on lists, etc. I'll check it out though. Thanks! Charlie in the swamp
On Jul 16, 2005, at 7:00 PM, Tony C wrote: > I think you'll find more possibilities on Analogue Heaventhough. > Xpansions is extrmeley low traffix. onAH you'll get several digests a > day ful of mail, and there are Matrix users there too
2005-07-17 by Tony Cappellini
At 06:20 PM 07/15/05, you wrote: > >>However there are other parameters that require a > >>bigger message of 274 bytes, and essentially that is > >>the whole patch being sent just to change one > >>parameter i.e.. -63 - +63. At least that is what This doesn't make sense. You should be able to edit any parameter using a sysex string, which is about 7-10 bytes. I was able to do this when I had my 6R.
2005-07-17 by james
I would sure like to know how you were able to manage that. Can you send me the SysEx strings you used for the negative parameters? I am basing my information purely on observing the Midi data being sent to my 6R from Opcode Edit One program. James --- Tony Cappellini <tony@...> wrote:
> > At 06:20 PM 07/15/05, you wrote: > > > > > >>However there are other parameters that require > a > > >>bigger message of 274 bytes, and essentially > that is > > >>the whole patch being sent just to change one > > >>parameter i.e.. -63 - +63. At least that is what > > > This doesn't make sense. You should be able to edit > any parameter using a > sysex string, which is about 7-10 bytes. > I was able to do this when I had my 6R. > > >
2005-07-17 by Tony Cappellini
Don't you have the sysex spec? I don't ave the 6r any more. The only thing I can send you is a binary sysex file for the PC 1600, which contains the sysex strings that are sent to the 6r, to edit the parameters. You'll need a hex editor to read the file. http://www.tcapp.com/pub/synths/oberheim_heaven/matrix6/pc1600/ I did this around 96-97. At 01:46 AM 07/17/05, you wrote:
>I would sure like to know how you were able to manage >that. Can you send me the SysEx strings you used for >the negative parameters? I am basing my information >purely on observing the Midi data being sent to my 6R >from Opcode Edit One program. > >James > >--- Tony Cappellini <tony@...> wrote: > > > > > At 06:20 PM 07/15/05, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>However there are other parameters that require > > a > > > >>bigger message of 274 bytes, and essentially > > that is > > > >>the whole patch being sent just to change one > > > >>parameter i.e.. -63 - +63. At least that is what > > > > > > This doesn't make sense. You should be able to edit > > any parameter using a > > sysex string, which is about 7-10 bytes. > > I was able to do this when I had my 6R. > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2005-07-17 by Tony Cappellini
you're right. I've just looked in the midi spec- negative numbers aren't supported by the "quick patch" edit method. At 01:46 AM 07/17/05, you wrote:
>I would sure like to know how you were able to manage >that. Can you send me the SysEx strings you used for >the negative parameters? I am basing my information >purely on observing the Midi data being sent to my 6R >from Opcode Edit One program. > >James > >--- Tony Cappellini <tony@...> wrote: > > > > > At 06:20 PM 07/15/05, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >>However there are other parameters that require > > a > > > >>bigger message of 274 bytes, and essentially > > that is > > > >>the whole patch being sent just to change one > > > >>parameter i.e.. -63 - +63. At least that is what > > > > > > This doesn't make sense. You should be able to edit > > any parameter using a > > sysex string, which is about 7-10 bytes. > > I was able to do this when I had my 6R. > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2005-07-17 by james
Hi Tony, Yeh I was very disappointed to figure that out and have been hoping I was wrong. So it's good to have the confirmation because I don't want to make my program any more complex than it needs to be. James --- Tony Cappellini <tony@...> wrote:
> > you're right. > I've just looked in the midi spec- negative numbers > aren't supported by the > "quick patch" edit method. > > At 01:46 AM 07/17/05, you wrote: > >I would sure like to know how you were able to > manage > >that. Can you send me the SysEx strings you used > for > >the negative parameters? I am basing my information > >purely on observing the Midi data being sent to my > 6R > >from Opcode Edit One program. > > > >James > > > >--- Tony Cappellini <tony@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > At 06:20 PM 07/15/05, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>However there are other parameters that > require > > > a > > > > >>bigger message of 274 bytes, and essentially > > > that is > > > > >>the whole patch being sent just to change > one > > > > >>parameter i.e.. -63 - +63. At least that is > what > > > > > > > > > This doesn't make sense. You should be able to > edit > > > any parameter using a > > > sysex string, which is about 7-10 bytes. > > > I was able to do this when I had my 6R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
2005-07-17 by james
Hi Tony, Thanks that helps. James --- Tony Cappellini <tony@...> wrote: > > Don't you have the sysex spec? > I don't ave the 6r any more. The only thing I can > send you is a binary > sysex file for the PC 1600, which contains the sysex > strings that are sent > to the 6r, to edit the parameters. > You'll need a hex editor to read the file. > http://www.tcapp.com/pub/synths/oberheim_heaven/matrix6/pc1600/
> I did this around 96-97. > > At 01:46 AM 07/17/05, you wrote: > >I would sure like to know how you were able to > manage > >that. Can you send me the SysEx strings you used > for > >the negative parameters? I am basing my information > >purely on observing the Midi data being sent to my > 6R > >from Opcode Edit One program. > > > >James > > > >--- Tony Cappellini <tony@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > At 06:20 PM 07/15/05, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>However there are other parameters that > require > > > a > > > > >>bigger message of 274 bytes, and essentially > > > that is > > > > >>the whole patch being sent just to change > one > > > > >>parameter i.e.. -63 - +63. At least that is > what > > > > > > > > > This doesn't make sense. You should be able to > edit > > > any parameter using a > > > sysex string, which is about 7-10 bytes. > > > I was able to do this when I had my 6R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
2005-10-10 by robtrahan
--- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Tony C <tony@t...> wrote: > > I think you'll find more possibilities on Analogue Heaventhough. Xpansions Sorry to come in late on this, and hopefully this hasn't been mentioned already, but I used the Evolution uc-33e and sent those midi messages to this editor: http://home.hccnet.nl/mark.strijbos/syn/m2001/index.html which then passed the messages to the Matrix. Good luck, Rob