WTB: Oberheim Matrix 1000
2013-01-06 by fatdub11
Hi, I'm looking for Oberheim Matrix 1000. thank you
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WTB: Oberheim Matrix 1000
Re: [oberheim] WTB: Oberheim Matrix 1000
2013-01-07 by Les Lambert
Where are you? I have one I could sell, and am in London --- On Sun, 6/1/13, fatdub11 <fatdub11@...> wrote:
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Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Oberheim Matrix 1000
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Date: Sunday, 6 January, 2013, 15:25
Hi,
I'm looking for Oberheim Matrix 1000.
thank youRe: [oberheim] WTB: Oberheim Matrix 1000
2013-01-08 by Paul Cunningham
They are typically going for $350 to $500 on eBay and are generally in great working condition despite some rack rash.
I'm up to four of them and their sound rivals anything you can find today.
For less than $1500 you can get 24 voices (48 oscillators) of unique analog goodness. While 6 voices in mono is pretty amazing, having 6 voices in stereo (one left and one right) is astonishingly awesome. Having 12 or more voices polyphonically (in group mode) is practically non-existent in modern synthesizers (except DSI stuff).
My advice is to watch eBay for awhile and get a feel for what the offerings are, them just Buy It Now when you see one you like. -pc
On Jan 7, 2013, at 5:39 AM, Les Lambert wrote:
Where are you?
I have one I could sell, and am in London
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From: fatdub11 <fatdub11@...>
Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Oberheim Matrix 1000
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, 6 January, 2013, 15:25Hi,
I'm looking for Oberheim Matrix 1000.
thank you
Re: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc
2013-01-09 by Les Lambert
Yes I expect multiple Oberheims to sound magnificent.
Since the OBXa offerred doubles and splits I've been trying layers of patches, but I'm often disappointed.
OB8 and DX7? Nope
CZ-1 and TX816? Crumbs what a racket.
While I can't say I had the opportunity to try 4 M1K together, I did have 2 plus a M6 keyboard, which was glorious enough.
I also had 2 OB8s at one time, which was superb.
Also 2 OBXa briefly together which was probably my favourite wobbly analog Obie monster.
Dual Kenton MIDI interfaces take some working though.
I managed to get the OB8 and an OBXa together for a while but failed to explore very far.
The Xpander and Matrix are, from my experience more likely to function correctly when you turn them on after a long rest, which is helpful, and the MIDI was sorted by then.
The combination of Xpander and Matrix wasn't as exciting as I hoped, but I didn't spend any time trying to reprogram either of them while they were coupled, which is probably what was required.
If it's not too upsetting for the die-hard Obie fans to hear, I was thoroughly convinced by the MemoryMoog I got to poke around with.
And of course the Kurz K2500 at least can offer a pretty convincing imitation of a few of the above single items.
I may give up on my Matrix 6 too,to provide the funds to get the old OBXa working again.
Curtis chips are not cheap as.
I'm not aware of anyone else commenting on this, but I find the Obie bend and mod paddles to be absolutely perfect for an old guitar player.
Since the OBXa offerred doubles and splits I've been trying layers of patches, but I'm often disappointed.
OB8 and DX7? Nope
CZ-1 and TX816? Crumbs what a racket.
While I can't say I had the opportunity to try 4 M1K together, I did have 2 plus a M6 keyboard, which was glorious enough.
I also had 2 OB8s at one time, which was superb.
Also 2 OBXa briefly together which was probably my favourite wobbly analog Obie monster.
Dual Kenton MIDI interfaces take some working though.
I managed to get the OB8 and an OBXa together for a while but failed to explore very far.
The Xpander and Matrix are, from my experience more likely to function correctly when you turn them on after a long rest, which is helpful, and the MIDI was sorted by then.
The combination of Xpander and Matrix wasn't as exciting as I hoped, but I didn't spend any time trying to reprogram either of them while they were coupled, which is probably what was required.
If it's not too upsetting for the die-hard Obie fans to hear, I was thoroughly convinced by the MemoryMoog I got to poke around with.
And of course the Kurz K2500 at least can offer a pretty convincing imitation of a few of the above single items.
I may give up on my Matrix 6 too,to provide the funds to get the old OBXa working again.
Curtis chips are not cheap as.
I'm not aware of anyone else commenting on this, but I find the Obie bend and mod paddles to be absolutely perfect for an old guitar player.
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I'm up to four of them and their sound rivals anything you can find today.For less than $1500!!ebaYwins201 you can get 24 voices (48 oscillators) of unique analog goodness. While 6 voices in mono is pretty amazing, having 6 voices in stereo (one left and one right) is astonishingly awesome. Having 12 or more voices polyphonically (in group mode) is practically non-existent in modern synthesizers (except DSI stuff).My advice is to watch eBay for awhile and get a feel for what the offerings are, them just Buy It Now when you see one you like. -pc,___
[oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc
2013-01-11 by Jill Saphic
yeah.... my first job in the states, I went to the local music store and picked up an OLD matrix-6, and a Matrix-6R, That was super! then traded them both in and purchased 2 Matrix 1000s. Same EXACT sound, much less space. I was lucky enough to be side stage for a Van Halen concert and heard EVH's 2 oberheims, XAs I think. They sounded great together. Best combination I've heard involving Oberheims was a DX7 II midi'd to and Oberheim expander with a Lexicon multiFX! That was hot! 1 sound from the Yamaha into layerd sounds on the Expander. One I remember in particular was the DX on "Koto", and the Xpander was set to "flanged piano + Ice winds", or "Ice Strings", something like that. I love the MemoryMoog, but never seen one in good enough condition to be onstage 50 weeks a year to buy, except one, and it was going for $15.000. LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the oberheims, but that was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing back in tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would work right so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland. But my 2 Matrix 1000s sound amazingly fat if I take the time to use the Matrix mod to adjust the waveform amplitudes and waveshpes. Wish I had an osciliscope, instead of just my ear though... At times I try to get them to sound like the newer NORD sounds on the current dancetracks. they get really close! But together on the big OB horn type of parts for ex. SUPER FAT, IMO... IO used 2 different kurzweils in the past 5-6 years, pretty much 4 for the piano as my bottom keyboard. But recently swithced 2 another brand. --- On Wed, 9/1/13, Les Lambert <les_lmbrt@...> wrote:
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From: Les Lambert <les_lmbrt@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 9 January, 2013, 13:41 Yes I expect multiple Oberheims to sound magnificent. Since the OBXa offerred doubles and splits I've been trying layers of patches, but I'm often disappointed. OB8 and DX7? Nope CZ-1 and TX816? Crumbs what a racket. While I can't say I had the opportunity to try 4 M1K together, I did have 2 plus a M6 keyboard, which was glorious enough. I also had 2 OB8s at one time, which was superb. Also 2 OBXa briefly together which was probably my favourite wobbly analog Obie monster. Dual Kenton MIDI interfaces take some working though. I managed to get the OB8 and an OBXa together for a while but failed to explore very far. The Xpander and Matrix are, from my experience more likely to function correctly when you turn them on after a long rest, which is helpful, and the MIDI was sorted by then. The combination of Xpander and Matrix wasn't as exciting as I hoped, but I didn't spend any time trying to reprogram either of them while they were coupled, which is probably what was required. If it's not too upsetting for the die-hard Obie fans to hear, I was thoroughly convinced by the MemoryMoog I got to poke around with. And of course the Kurz K2500 at least can offer a pretty convincing imitation of a few of the above single items. I may give up on my Matrix 6 too,to provide the funds to get the old OBXa working again. Curtis chips are not cheap as. I'm not aware of anyone else commenting on this, but I find the Obie bend and mod paddles to be absolutely perfect for an old guitar player. I'm up to four of them and their sound rivals anything you can find today. For less than $1500!!ebaYwins201 you can get 24 voices (48 oscillators) of unique analog goodness. While 6 voices in mono is pretty amazing, having 6 voices in stereo (one left and one right) is astonishingly awesome. Having 12 or more voices polyphonically (in group mode) is practically non-existent in modern synthesizers (except DSI stuff). My advice is to watch eBay for awhile and get a feel for what the offerings are, them just Buy It Now when you see one you like. -pc,___
Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-11 by Dave Garfield
Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners, Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back. There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero. Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems. Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's. You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note). Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work. HAPPY SYNTHING! Dave Garfield - Colorado, USA From: Jill Saphic <jill_saphic@yahoo.co.uk> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc ...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, but that was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing back in tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would work right so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland...
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Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-11 by Peter Mörck
Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in. Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well. After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better. /Peter
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From: Dave Garfield
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners,
Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back.
There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero.
Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems.
Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's.
You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note).
Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work.
HAPPY SYNTHING!
Dave Garfield - Colorado, USA
From: Jill Saphic <jill_saphic@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc
...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, but
that was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing back
in tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would work
right so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland...Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-11 by Loveslap! Recordings
how do you do it without breaking the pins off?
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Peter Mörck <;peter@...> wrote:
Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in.Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well.After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better./Peter----- Original Message -----
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From: Dave GarfieldSent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PMSubject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners,Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back.There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero.Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems.Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's.You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note).Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work.HAPPY SYNTHING!Dave Garfield - Colorado, USAFrom: Jill Saphic <jill_saphic@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, butthat was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing backin tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would workright so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland...
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** updated website!! :
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Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-11 by Paul Cunningham
Use an IC Extractor tool and BE VERY CAREFUL. Practice on something you don't like first. It's very easy to break those old pins off. -pc
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On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:41 PM, "Loveslap! Recordings" <loveslap@...> wrote: > how do you do it without breaking the pins off? > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote: >> >> >> Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in. >> Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well. >> >> After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better. >> >> /Peter >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dave Garfield >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning >> >> >> Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners, >> >> Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back. >> >> There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero. >> >> Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems. >> >> Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's. >> >> You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note). >> >> Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work. >> >> HAPPY SYNTHING! >> >> Dave Garfield - Colorado, USA >> >> From: Jill Saphic <jill_saphic@...> >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM >> Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc >> >> ...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, but >> that was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing back >> in tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would work >> right so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland... > > > > -- > ** Loveslap Recordings > ** updated website!! : > ** http://www.loveslap.com > ** like us on facebook: > ** http://www.facebook.com/LoveslapRecordings >
Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-11 by Loveslap! Recordings
and once I remove the chip should I apply any kind of product? deoxit for example?
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Paul Cunningham <paul@...> wrote:
Use an IC Extractor tool and BE VERY CAREFUL. Practice on something you don't like first. It's very easy to break those old pins off. -pchow do you do it without breaking the pins off?
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:
Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in.Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well.After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better./Peter----- Original Message -----
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From: Dave GarfieldSent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PMSubject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners,Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back.There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero.Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems.Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's.You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note).Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work.HAPPY SYNTHING!Dave Garfield - Colorado, USAFrom: Jill Saphic <jill_saphic@...>
To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, butthat was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing backin tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would workright so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland...
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Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-11 by Peter Mörck
I don't think that's necessary.
Just start by pressing the chips back in the
sockets a bit instead of removing them.
If removed, I'd handle them as little as possible
once they're out of the circuit to minimize risk of zapping them with static
charge.
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From: Loveslap! RecordingsSent: Friday, January 11, 2013 10:25 PMSubject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuningand once I remove the chip should I apply any kind of product? deoxit for example?
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Paul Cunningham <paul@cometway.com> wrote:
Use an IC Extractor tool and BE VERY CAREFUL. Practice on something you don't like first. It's very easy to break those old pins off. -pchow do you do it without breaking the pins off?
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Peter Mörck <peter@...> wrote:
;Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in.Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well.After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better./Peter----- Original Message -----From: Dave GarfieldSent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PMSubject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuningHi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners,Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back.There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero.Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems.Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's.You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note).Hope that this will help any and all of you out. ; I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work.HAPPY SYNTHING!Dave Garfield - Colorado, USAFrom: Jill Saphic <jill_saphic@...>
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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM
Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, butthat was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing backin tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would workright so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland...
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Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-11 by wesleyknick
An effective and easy repair if you're solder saavy in the event a broken pin, is to put a small puddle of solder on the upper end of the wider metal tab above the broken pin coming out of the IC and lay a clipped lead from a resistor (typically 1/4 watt) in it and clip it flush with the other leads. Just need a way to lay the IC on it's side (usually by placing a small weight on the opposite set of pins pinning it to your workspace tabletop) to make it stand up to proceed with the above procedure. May sound a bit like it's easy to damage the IC but if you minimize the heat to the IC it easy to do and a procedure I've done on several ICs. A smaller lead such as from a 1/4 watt resistor works best and the lead will bend as necessary when the IC is seated. It works great certainly beats throwing away an otherwise valuable and vintage IC...! --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Paul Cunningham wrote:
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> > Use an IC Extractor tool and BE VERY CAREFUL. Practice on something you don't like first. It's very easy to break those old pins off. -pc > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:41 PM, "Loveslap! Recordings" wrote: > > > how do you do it without breaking the pins off? > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Peter Mörck wrote: > >> > >> > >> Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in. > >> Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well. > >> > >> After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better. > >> > >> /Peter > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Dave Garfield > >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PM > >> Subject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > >> > >> > >> Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners, > >> > >> Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back. > >> > >> There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero. > >> > >> Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems. > >> > >> Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's. > >> > >> You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note). > >> > >> Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work. > >> > >> HAPPY SYNTHING! > >> > >> Dave Garfield - Colorado, USA > >> > >> From: Jill Saphic > >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM > >> Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc > >> > >> ...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, but > >> that was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing back > >> in tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would work > >> right so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland... > > > > > > > > -- > > ** Loveslap Recordings > > ** updated website!! : > > ** http://www.loveslap.com > > ** like us on facebook: > > ** http://www.facebook.com/LoveslapRecordings > > >
[oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-12 by Jill Saphic
well then! quite the list of "hot tips" for the Matrix! thank you to David,Peter,Paul & Wesley alright then, I have a question, sparked by the last response. I have purchased 3, (yes THREE LOL!!!) Matrix 1000s used on Ebay just to take the chips out to replace the "non responsive": ones in my rack 1000s. One of them only had three functioning 3396s, I haven't thrown them away, just have them saved in a baggie. and I wanted to ask does anyone know if the 3396s are able 2 B repaired? And 1 big question, Why, out of all the "chips", and things in our Matrix's, do these little buggers fail? But everything else just keeps humming along without many problems considering how long they've been played. Or am I misinformed and they just need some type of service? And if anyone is curious, yes I have a DAW, with the newest OPOX Pro 2, I just can't take a chance of software failure in my job, For me, hardware is extremely reliable mostly. And I keep them because I love the Oberheim sound. and I think most that hire me like that I have it at a moments notice. Which is why I also have an old Yamaha TX-802 racked, same reason. But I wouldn't be comfortable traveling with an OB8, or an OB Xa, so I have the 1000s. I just wished they were capable of the split/layer mode of the Matrix6 and 6r. LOL!!! never satisfied are we... --- On Fri, 11/1/13, wesleyknick <wesknick@...> wrote: From: wesleyknick <wesknick@gmail.com> Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 11 January, 2013, 22:31 An effective and easy repair if you're solder saavy in the event a broken pin, is to put a small puddle of solder on the upper end of the wider metal tab above the broken pin coming out of the IC and lay a clipped lead from a resistor (typically 1/4 watt) in it and clip it flush with the other leads. Just need a way to lay the IC on it's side (usually by placing a small weight on the opposite set of pins pinning it to your workspace tabletop) to make it stand up to proceed with the above procedure. May sound a bit like it's easy to damage the IC but if you minimize the heat to the IC it easy to do and a procedure I've done on several ICs. A smaller lead such as from a 1/4 watt resistor works best and the lead will bend as necessary when the IC is seated. It works great certainly beats throwing away an otherwise valuable and vintage IC...! --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Paul Cunningham wrote:
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> > Use an IC Extractor tool and BE VERY CAREFUL. Practice on something you don't like first. It's very easy to break those old pins off. -pc > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:41 PM, "Loveslap! Recordings" wrote: > > > how do you do it without breaking the pins off? > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Peter Mörck wrote: > >> > >> > >> Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in. > >> Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well. > >> > >> After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better. > >> > >> /Peter > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Dave Garfield > >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PM > >> Subject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > >> > >> > >> Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners, > >> > >> Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back. > >> > >> There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero. > >> > >> Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems. > >> > >> Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's. > >> > >> You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note). > >> > >> Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work. > >> > >> HAPPY SYNTHING! > >> > >> Dave Garfield - Colorado, USA > >> > >> From: Jill Saphic > >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM > >> Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc > >> > >> ...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, but > >> that was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing back > >> in tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would work > >> right so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland... > > > > > > > > -- > > ** Loveslap Recordings > > ** updated website!! : > > ** http://www.loveslap.com > > ** like us on facebook: > > ** http://www.facebook.com/LoveslapRecordings > > >
Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-13 by wesleyknick
If those 3396's are cooked internally then they're done. My best answer for the failure would be that something else upstream in the circuitry is wearing out possibly causing stress and eventual failure on them. ...just a guess without a whole lot of basis at this point. The CEM 3396 is still a pretty cheap IC to replace and available from a few Ebay sellers for as cheap as $5 or $6 a piece, not much compared to a CEM 3310, 3320 or 3360, etc. that can go from as low as $40 to $50 on up. --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Jill Saphic wrote:
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> > well then! > quite the list of "hot tips" for the Matrix! > thank you to David,Peter,Paul & Wesley > alright then, >  I have a question, sparked by the last response. > I have purchased 3, (yes THREE LOL!!!) Matrix 1000s used on Ebay > just to take the chips out to replace the "non responsive": ones in my rack 1000s. > One of them only had three functioning 3396s, > I haven't thrown them away, just have them saved in a baggie. > and I wanted to ask does anyone know if the 3396s are able 2 B repaired? > And 1 big question, Why, out of all the "chips", and things in our Matrix's, > do these little buggers fail? But everything else just keeps humming along > without many problems considering how long they've been played. > Or am I misinformed and they just need some type of service? >  >  And if anyone is curious, yes I have a DAW, with the newest OPOX Pro 2, > I just can't take a chance of software failure in my job, For me, hardware > is extremely reliable mostly. And I keep them because I love the Oberheim sound. > and I think most that hire me like that I have it at a moments notice. > Which is why I also have an old Yamaha TX-802 racked, same reason. > But I wouldn't be comfortable traveling with an OB8, or an OB Xa, > so I have the 1000s. I just wished they were capable of the split/layer mode > of the Matrix6 and 6r. LOL!!! never satisfied are we... > > > --- On Fri, 11/1/13, wesleyknick wrote: > > > From: wesleyknick > Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > Date: Friday, 11 January, 2013, 22:31 > > > >  > > > > An effective and easy repair if you're solder saavy in the event a broken pin, is to put a small puddle of solder on the upper end of the wider metal tab above the broken pin coming out of the IC and lay a clipped lead from a resistor (typically 1/4 watt) in it and clip it flush with the other leads. Just need a way to lay the IC on it's side (usually by placing a small weight on the opposite set of pins pinning it to your workspace tabletop) to make it stand up to proceed with the above procedure. May sound a bit like it's easy to damage the IC but if you minimize the heat to the IC it easy to do and a procedure I've done on several ICs. A smaller lead such as from a 1/4 watt resistor works best and the lead will bend as necessary when the IC is seated. It works great certainly beats throwing away an otherwise valuable and vintage IC...! > > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Paul Cunningham wrote: > > > > Use an IC Extractor tool and BE VERY CAREFUL. Practice on something you don't like first. It's very easy to break those old pins off. -pc > > > > On Jan 11, 2013, at 2:41 PM, "Loveslap! Recordings" wrote: > > > > > how do you do it without breaking the pins off? > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Peter Mörck wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Also please note the crappy IC-holders the CEM3396 chips are sitting in. > > >> Giving the chips a few firm pushes with your thumb (or completely remove them and put them back IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT WITHOUT BREAKING THE PINS OFF) will reseat them and sometimes help as well. > > >> > > >> After that, do the calibration thing and hopefully it will behave a bit better. > > >> > > >> /Peter > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Dave Garfield > > >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 7:20 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [oberheim] Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi Jill, and other Matrix-6/-6R owners, > > >> > > >> Having owned my M-6 since 1986, I've learned a lot about its quirks. One of those is the tuning... At times it seems to be permanently out of tune, and hitting the TUNE button doesn't seem to bring it back. > > >> > > >> There IS a solution. The first thing is to let the Matrix warm up for about 10-15 minutes before trying to tune it, as temperature changes will affect tuning (How's THAT for analog-iness?). Once it is warm, go to the MASTER section, select Parameter #52 (CALIBRATION) and affirm that you want to calibrate it. On the Matrix-6, move both Pitch and Mod. levers back and forth from stop to stop a couple of times, then let them come to rest at their respective "zero" positions. This will guarantee that the calibration procedure sees the levers at zero. > > >> > > >> Calibration will take about 10 seconds or so. Near the end, you may hear the filters being swept very faintly - that's normal. When finished, the display will return to "Calibrate Y/N?" And now, hit that TUNE button again... It could take a try or two to get the Matrix into perfect tune - but it should go there, barring any internal problems. > > >> > > >> Now that you've got the Matrix in tune, you can further "analogue" it by introducing pitch variations. One of the most analog-y effects is the tendency of VCOs to go flat at higher frequency. If you want this, then turn Off Keyboard Tracking on one of the DCOs. Now go to the MATRIX MODULATION page, and set KYBD to modulate that same DCO to "62" (Normal KYBD tracking would be "63"); this will give you that slight flat pitch at upper freq's. > > >> > > >> You can also simulate dirty key contacts/jumpy oscillators by using one of the LfOs, set at SPEED "0" (to very slightly modulate one of the DCO's pitches via the MATRIX MOD page. (The "0" setting will change pitch only when a key is pressed, and a RANDOM LfO setting will give you a very slight shift on each new note). > > >> > > >> Hope that this will help any and all of you out. I've not worked with the M-1000, so I don't remember if it has the same calibration/tuning capabilities, but if so, the above should work. > > >> > > >> HAPPY SYNTHING! > > >> > > >> Dave Garfield - Colorado, USA > > >> > > >> From: Jill Saphic > > >> To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > > >> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:40 PM > > >> Subject: [oberheim] WTB: Multiple Oberheims etc > > >> > > >> ...I agree with how nice the MOD paddles are on the Oberheims, but > > >> that was the reason I let my Matrix-6s go, it started never landing back > > >> in tune, and no one could come up with a replacement pot that would work > > >> right so now I have wheels on everything except the Roland... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ** Loveslap Recordings > > > ** updated website!! : > > > ** http://www.loveslap.com > > > ** like us on facebook: > > > ** http://www.facebook.com/LoveslapRecordings > > > > > >
Re: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-13 by Jill Saphic
hello Wesley thank you for that. so, what would I type in the search box at eBay? 3396? or what? what would you type in? thank you --- On Sun, 13/1/13, wesleyknick <wesknick@...> wrote: From: wesleyknick <wesknick@gmail.com> Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2013, 5:39 If those 3396's are cooked internally then they're done. My best answer for the failure would be that something else upstream in the circuitry is wearing out possibly causing stress and eventual failure on them. ...just a guess without a whole lot of basis at this point. The CEM 3396 is still a pretty cheap IC to replace and available from a few Ebay sellers for as cheap as $5 or $6 a piece, not much compared to a CEM 3310, 3320 or 3360, etc. that can go from as low as $40 to $50 on up.
Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-13 by wesleyknick
Type in 'CEM 3396' --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Jill Saphic wrote:
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> > hello Wesley > thank you for that. > so, what would I type in the search box at eBay? > 3396? or what? > what would you type in? > thank you > > > --- On Sun, 13/1/13, wesleyknick wrote: > > > From: wesleyknick > Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2013, 5:39 > > > > Â > > > > If those 3396's are cooked internally then they're done. My best answer for the failure would be that something else upstream in the circuitry is wearing out possibly causing stress and eventual failure on them. ...just a guess without a whole lot of basis at this point. The CEM 3396 is still a pretty cheap IC to replace and available from a few Ebay sellers for as cheap as $5 or $6 a piece, not much compared to a CEM 3310, 3320 or 3360, etc. that can go from as low as $40 to $50 on up. >
Re: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-14 by Jill Saphic
Thank you Wesley Gave it a go, typed CEM3396, and CEM 3399 with a space. There is only one of one that will fit the Matrix 1000, used, and its 32.00 plus shipping. all the ones for 5 to 10 that you mentioned are ONLY the wide body. And can not be used in the Matrix 1000. They just wont fit. but thank you anyway. --- On Sun, 13/1/13, wesleyknick <wesknick@...> wrote: From: wesleyknick <wesknick@...> Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2013, 14:22 Type in 'CEM 3396' --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Jill Saphic wrote:
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> > hello Wesley > thank you for that. > so, what would I type in the search box at eBay? > 3396? or what? > what would you type in? > thank you > > > --- On Sun, 13/1/13, wesleyknick wrote: > > > From: wesleyknick > Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2013, 5:39 > > > > Â > > > > If those 3396's are cooked internally then they're done. My best answer for the failure would be that something else upstream in the circuitry is wearing out possibly causing stress and eventual failure on them. ...just a guess without a whole lot of basis at this point. The CEM 3396 is still a pretty cheap IC to replace and available from a few Ebay sellers for as cheap as $5 or $6 a piece, not much compared to a CEM 3310, 3320 or 3360, etc. that can go from as low as $40 to $50 on up. >
Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-14 by wesleyknick
Well I just learned something new... I've not actually owned a Matrix 1000 but have had several Matrix 6 and 6Rs that I've bought will issues, made repairs, and have since sold them all. I only buy them if I can get them cheap and that usually means broken, and haven't come across any Matrix 1000s that fall into that category. I'd seen the narrower CEM 3396 in the listings, now I know where they're applicable...! --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Jill Saphic wrote:
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> > Thank you Wesley > Gave it a go, typed CEM3396, and CEM 3399 with a space. > There is only one of one that will fit the Matrix 1000, used, and its 32.00 plus shipping. > all the ones for 5 to 10 that you mentioned are ONLY the wide body. > And can not be used in the Matrix 1000. They just wont fit. > but thank you anyway. > Â > > > --- On Sun, 13/1/13, wesleyknick wrote: > > > From: wesleyknick > Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2013, 14:22 > > > > Â > > > > Type in 'CEM 3396' > > --- In oberheim@yahoogroups.com, Jill Saphic wrote: > > > > hello Wesley > > thank you for that. > > so, what would I type in the search box at eBay? > > 3396? or what? > > what would you type in? > > thank you > > > > > > --- On Sun, 13/1/13, wesleyknick wrote: > > > > > > From: wesleyknick > > Subject: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning > > To: oberheim@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Sunday, 13 January, 2013, 5:39 > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > > > > > If those 3396's are cooked internally then they're done. My best answer for the failure would be that something else upstream in the circuitry is wearing out possibly causing stress and eventual failure on them. ...just a guess without a whole lot of basis at this point. The CEM 3396 is still a pretty cheap IC to replace and available from a few Ebay sellers for as cheap as $5 or $6 a piece, not much compared to a CEM 3310, 3320 or 3360, etc. that can go from as low as $40 to $50 on up. > > >
Re: [oberheim] Re: Matrix-6/ -6R tuning
2013-01-14 by Paul Cunningham
I've bought 4 matrix-1000s and 1 matrix 6 in my lifetime. I still have the 1000s and they are all completely functional. Only one of them I bought new. The Matrix 6 was suspect from the beginning, and although I loved playing it as an instrument, I ended up selling it before it bought the farm. Someone once told me that the early Matrix 6 were made in Japan. Is that right? -pc
On Jan 13, 2013, at 10:00 PM, wesleyknick wrote:
Well I just learned something new... I've not actually owned a Matrix 1000 but have had several Matrix 6 and 6Rs that I've bought will issues, made repairs, and have since sold them all. I only buy them if I can get them cheap and that usually means broken, and haven't come across any Matrix 1000s that fall into that category. I'd seen the narrower CEM 3396 in the listings, now I know where they're applicable...!
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