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Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-05 by robotchas

I almost didn't get this, since I have a Virus which admirably covers 
most of the same bases and is more flexible than a sample player, but 
I'm very glad I did. It's now sitting in the second slot on my XL7. 
Some thoughts, very much filtered through the lens of my own personal 
needs:

Electric Pianos
The Yamaha CP70 was a revelation - if you want a realistic acoustic 
grand for solo use this isn't it, but I just wanted a good, 
recognizable piano sample, and this totally fits the bill. The CP70 
isn't an electric piano so much as a small acoustic stage piano with 
piezo pickups on each string, and I like the slightly lo-fi rock-n-
roll quality. Very pleasant surprise. As for the other electric 
pianos, I can't really comment, as I personally detest the sound of 
EPs, other than to say that as has been pointed out elsewhere, the 
volume levels in the presets are too low relative to other sounds. 
There are lots of them though. Some of the instruments (including the 
CP70) are recorded at different velocity levels, for improved 
dynamics.

Organs and Clavs
I'm not able to comment on authenticity, but there are plenty of them 
and they sound fine (though some could use a volume boost as well). 
Not something I have much use for, but the clavs could be handy for 
some arpeggiated synth lines. My guess is that anyone who wants lots 
of organ sounds is going to be more interested in the B3 ROM, and I 
don't know how many of these were taken from there.

Electric Bass Guitar
There are a couple of these - Fingers sounds like a Fender, and Pilot 
is probably a Guild Pilot played with a pick. Their inclusion is a 
little odd, considering the theme of the ROM, but they sound nice and 
should cover the rare occasions when I want a sampled bass guitar. I 
particularly like the Pilot sample.

Analog Synths
These are very nice, covering many of the classics from Roland to 
Sequential to Arp, Moog, and Oberheim. There are also some Yamaha DX 
samples (ep and bass, of course); but the only Korg seems to be the 
MS-20 drums. The sound of these samples is warm and rich, and there's 
a good variety of waveforms. This territory is well-covered by any 
decent VA, but textural variety is useful, particularly in a sample-
based synth, and there's plenty of it here. In concert with the XL 
ROM I now have a wide range of raw material for the Emu filters, and 
the results both support and complement the Virus.

Analog Basses
My Virus has this nailed, so I wasn't too concerned about the number 
and quality of the bass samples. However, I couldn't help noticing 
that there are several good sounding instruments in this category, 
and I like the Vintage basses better, on the whole, than the XL 
basses. If I want to leave my Virus at home at some point I can count 
on the Vintage ROM to step in and take over the low end.

Pads/Strings
This was a primary consideration in choosing this ROM. As much as I 
love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the XL, 
and the Emu synthesis engine is well-suited to complex, layered pads. 
The Vintage ROM provides lots of material for these, between the 
rawer synth waves and some Elka, Solina and Matrix-12 samples 
specifically intended for string pads. They sound warm and full, with 
ample detail in the high end, and thanks to the filters and mod 
matrix they can have as much animation as you like.

Vox
There are some choir-ish samples, primarily from the Mellotron; this 
is an area where the XL is a bit weak so it's nice to get some added 
options. The Mellotron samples have a distinctive, rough quality to 
them, but again, I can't speak as to authenticity. There's still no 
realistic choir sound though - for that I guess you need one of the 
pop ROMs, like the P2500 or ZR.

Drums
I figured this category would be redundant in a box containing both 
the XL and PX ROMs (more on that later), but there's less duplication 
of samples than I expected. The focus, of course, is on analog 
beatboxes - the 808 and 909, but also the MS-20, SP-1200, and even 
the Casio SK-1 (they don't sound much like drums, but they're cool). 
I do wish the sample names were more clear about their sources, and 
there's room for a more exhaustive collection of analog beatbox 
samples - the 505, 707, 606, DMX, Drumulator, LinnDrum, etc. don't 
seem to be represented - but I guess we won't ever see that. There's 
a decent variety here, the sound quality is good, and I'm pretty well 
covered now, drum-wise.

In summary, the sound of the Vintage ROM is warmer and softer, on the 
whole, than the XL ROM, which has a cold, hard, modern techno sound 
to my ears. It's a good choice if you want to expand your sonic 
palette, since it complements the XL without much overlap. There 
aren't as many samples as on the XL, but there are still a good 
number and the quality is generally very high. It also may be a good 
choice even if you have a VA - it can augment the sonic range of the 
VA and take some of the polyphony load off as well. I'm very happy 
with it. Thanks to everyone who gave input on my decision, and to 
Matt Picone, a fellow Virus owner who argued in favor of the Vintage.

I also picked up a Protean Drums ROM from a list member (thanks, Tom) 
and will be posting a review of that once I've had some more time 
with it.

Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-05 by paolovalladolid

Nice review! I lack the breadth of experience to comment on the 
authenticity of the sounds, but I am personally pleased with the e-
pianos, Mellotron vox, pads, and analog sounds.  I haven't really 
examined the bass and drum sounds but based on the demo songs they 
sound ok to me too.

I am very happy with my ROM set (X-Lead V2, World, Vintage, Protean 
Drums).

BTW, I am about to sell my Nord Modular G2.  You know how it is - one 
gets GAS, acquires some gear, then realizes said gear isn't really 
necessary to one's musical activities.  I have a couple of friends in 
the area who are Nord Modular wizards/devotees - one of them even 
downloaded the editor software to play with even though he didn't 
have a g2 yet.  It's a win-win situation - the G2 is going to someone 
who can make some magic with it right now and I get to recoup my 
investment while I take more time to clearly identify gear needs.  
All of my electronic music work these past few weeks has been on my 
XL-7 and I honestly don't feel like I need any other synth right now.

Paolo

Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-07 by dj 61

Well you've convinced me,
 I am going to have to install my vintage rom. SOunds like it has 
everything I feel I've been mising... but what to remove? Looks like 
it may be the Adv. Orch:(


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
> I almost didn't get this, since I have a Virus which admirably 
covers 
> most of the same bases and is more flexible than a sample player, 
but 
> I'm very glad I did. It's now sitting in the second slot on my 
XL7. 
> Some thoughts, very much filtered through the lens of my own 
personal 
> needs:
> 
> Electric Pianos
> The Yamaha CP70 was a revelation - if you want a realistic 
acoustic 
> grand for solo use this isn't it, but I just wanted a good, 
> recognizable piano sample, and this totally fits the bill. The 
CP70 
> isn't an electric piano so much as a small acoustic stage piano 
with 
> piezo pickups on each string, and I like the slightly lo-fi rock-n-
> roll quality. Very pleasant surprise. As for the other electric 
> pianos, I can't really comment, as I personally detest the sound 
of 
> EPs, other than to say that as has been pointed out elsewhere, the 
> volume levels in the presets are too low relative to other sounds. 
> There are lots of them though. Some of the instruments (including 
the 
> CP70) are recorded at different velocity levels, for improved 
> dynamics.
> 
> Organs and Clavs
> I'm not able to comment on authenticity, but there are plenty of 
them 
> and they sound fine (though some could use a volume boost as 
well). 
> Not something I have much use for, but the clavs could be handy 
for 
> some arpeggiated synth lines. My guess is that anyone who wants 
lots 
> of organ sounds is going to be more interested in the B3 ROM, and 
I 
> don't know how many of these were taken from there.
> 
> Electric Bass Guitar
> There are a couple of these - Fingers sounds like a Fender, and 
Pilot 
> is probably a Guild Pilot played with a pick. Their inclusion is a 
> little odd, considering the theme of the ROM, but they sound nice 
and 
> should cover the rare occasions when I want a sampled bass guitar. 
I 
> particularly like the Pilot sample.
> 
> Analog Synths
> These are very nice, covering many of the classics from Roland to 
> Sequential to Arp, Moog, and Oberheim. There are also some Yamaha 
DX 
> samples (ep and bass, of course); but the only Korg seems to be 
the 
> MS-20 drums. The sound of these samples is warm and rich, and 
there's 
> a good variety of waveforms. This territory is well-covered by any 
> decent VA, but textural variety is useful, particularly in a 
sample-
> based synth, and there's plenty of it here. In concert with the XL 
> ROM I now have a wide range of raw material for the Emu filters, 
and 
> the results both support and complement the Virus.
> 
> Analog Basses
> My Virus has this nailed, so I wasn't too concerned about the 
number 
> and quality of the bass samples. However, I couldn't help noticing 
> that there are several good sounding instruments in this category, 
> and I like the Vintage basses better, on the whole, than the XL 
> basses. If I want to leave my Virus at home at some point I can 
count 
> on the Vintage ROM to step in and take over the low end.
> 
> Pads/Strings
> This was a primary consideration in choosing this ROM. As much as 
I 
> love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the 
XL, 
> and the Emu synthesis engine is well-suited to complex, layered 
pads. 
> The Vintage ROM provides lots of material for these, between the 
> rawer synth waves and some Elka, Solina and Matrix-12 samples 
> specifically intended for string pads. They sound warm and full, 
with 
> ample detail in the high end, and thanks to the filters and mod 
> matrix they can have as much animation as you like.
> 
> Vox
> There are some choir-ish samples, primarily from the Mellotron; 
this 
> is an area where the XL is a bit weak so it's nice to get some 
added 
> options. The Mellotron samples have a distinctive, rough quality 
to 
> them, but again, I can't speak as to authenticity. There's still 
no 
> realistic choir sound though - for that I guess you need one of 
the 
> pop ROMs, like the P2500 or ZR.
> 
> Drums
> I figured this category would be redundant in a box containing 
both 
> the XL and PX ROMs (more on that later), but there's less 
duplication 
> of samples than I expected. The focus, of course, is on analog 
> beatboxes - the 808 and 909, but also the MS-20, SP-1200, and even 
> the Casio SK-1 (they don't sound much like drums, but they're 
cool). 
> I do wish the sample names were more clear about their sources, 
and 
> there's room for a more exhaustive collection of analog beatbox 
> samples - the 505, 707, 606, DMX, Drumulator, LinnDrum, etc. don't 
> seem to be represented - but I guess we won't ever see that. 
There's 
> a decent variety here, the sound quality is good, and I'm pretty 
well 
> covered now, drum-wise.
> 
> In summary, the sound of the Vintage ROM is warmer and softer, on 
the 
> whole, than the XL ROM, which has a cold, hard, modern techno 
sound 
> to my ears. It's a good choice if you want to expand your sonic 
> palette, since it complements the XL without much overlap. There 
> aren't as many samples as on the XL, but there are still a good 
> number and the quality is generally very high. It also may be a 
good 
> choice even if you have a VA - it can augment the sonic range of 
the 
> VA and take some of the polyphony load off as well. I'm very happy 
> with it. Thanks to everyone who gave input on my decision, and to 
> Matt Picone, a fellow Virus owner who argued in favor of the 
Vintage.
> 
> I also picked up a Protean Drums ROM from a list member (thanks, 
Tom) 
> and will be posting a review of that once I've had some more time 
> with it.

Re: [xl7] Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-07 by aeon

on 5/7/04 5:03 PM, Matt Picone wrote:

>> I love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the XL
> 
> ?????????

what surprises you about that statement, Matt?

I would tend to agree the Virus, overall, is somewhat dark (perhaps because
of the oscs?) as compared to the E-mu stuff (most certainly because of the
crispness of many waves combined with a filterset that includes many
non-lowpass designs)...

as always, YMMV, and I will volunteer that last time I had my ears tested, I
could not hear a fundamental above 17,500Hz, so my idea of high-end is
³compromised² from the theoretical ³perfection² of 20KHz. ;)


cheers,
aeon

Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-09 by robotchas

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Picone" <matman@m...> wrote:
> > I love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the 
XL
> 
> ?????????

The Virus oscillators are a little weak in the high end - the 
waveforms get duller and aliasing creeps in. I don't know whether 
this is due to steep bandlimiting or a lower internal DSP sampling 
rate or what. In comparison the Emu boxes seem to have a little more 
sizzle but not as much warmth or punch.

Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-09 by puzzlelounge

Robotchas,

Can you give more details regaring the overlap in the drums, Vintage
Collection vs XL-7?  Are the 808 and 909 kits the same, or different?
 How about the other Vintage kits?

Jared





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "robotchas" <robotchas@y...> wrote:
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> I almost didn't get this, since I have a Virus which admirably covers 
> most of the same bases and is more flexible than a sample player, but 
> I'm very glad I did. It's now sitting in the second slot on my XL7. 
> Some thoughts, very much filtered through the lens of my own personal 
> needs:
> 
> Electric Pianos
> The Yamaha CP70 was a revelation - if you want a realistic acoustic 
> grand for solo use this isn't it, but I just wanted a good, 
> recognizable piano sample, and this totally fits the bill. The CP70 
> isn't an electric piano so much as a small acoustic stage piano with 
> piezo pickups on each string, and I like the slightly lo-fi rock-n-
> roll quality. Very pleasant surprise. As for the other electric 
> pianos, I can't really comment, as I personally detest the sound of 
> EPs, other than to say that as has been pointed out elsewhere, the 
> volume levels in the presets are too low relative to other sounds. 
> There are lots of them though. Some of the instruments (including the 
> CP70) are recorded at different velocity levels, for improved 
> dynamics.


> 
> Organs and Clavs
> I'm not able to comment on authenticity, but there are plenty of them 
> and they sound fine (though some could use a volume boost as well). 
> Not something I have much use for, but the clavs could be handy for 
> some arpeggiated synth lines. My guess is that anyone who wants lots 
> of organ sounds is going to be more interested in the B3 ROM, and I 
> don't know how many of these were taken from there.
> 
> Electric Bass Guitar
> There are a couple of these - Fingers sounds like a Fender, and Pilot 
> is probably a Guild Pilot played with a pick. Their inclusion is a 
> little odd, considering the theme of the ROM, but they sound nice and 
> should cover the rare occasions when I want a sampled bass guitar. I 
> particularly like the Pilot sample.
> 
> Analog Synths
> These are very nice, covering many of the classics from Roland to 
> Sequential to Arp, Moog, and Oberheim. There are also some Yamaha DX 
> samples (ep and bass, of course); but the only Korg seems to be the 
> MS-20 drums. The sound of these samples is warm and rich, and there's 
> a good variety of waveforms. This territory is well-covered by any 
> decent VA, but textural variety is useful, particularly in a sample-
> based synth, and there's plenty of it here. In concert with the XL 
> ROM I now have a wide range of raw material for the Emu filters, and 
> the results both support and complement the Virus.
> 
> Analog Basses
> My Virus has this nailed, so I wasn't too concerned about the number 
> and quality of the bass samples. However, I couldn't help noticing 
> that there are several good sounding instruments in this category, 
> and I like the Vintage basses better, on the whole, than the XL 
> basses. If I want to leave my Virus at home at some point I can count 
> on the Vintage ROM to step in and take over the low end.
> 
> Pads/Strings
> This was a primary consideration in choosing this ROM. As much as I 
> love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the XL, 
> and the Emu synthesis engine is well-suited to complex, layered pads. 
> The Vintage ROM provides lots of material for these, between the 
> rawer synth waves and some Elka, Solina and Matrix-12 samples 
> specifically intended for string pads. They sound warm and full, with 
> ample detail in the high end, and thanks to the filters and mod 
> matrix they can have as much animation as you like.
> 
> Vox
> There are some choir-ish samples, primarily from the Mellotron; this 
> is an area where the XL is a bit weak so it's nice to get some added 
> options. The Mellotron samples have a distinctive, rough quality to 
> them, but again, I can't speak as to authenticity. There's still no 
> realistic choir sound though - for that I guess you need one of the 
> pop ROMs, like the P2500 or ZR.
> 
> Drums
> I figured this category would be redundant in a box containing both 
> the XL and PX ROMs (more on that later), but there's less duplication 
> of samples than I expected. The focus, of course, is on analog 
> beatboxes - the 808 and 909, but also the MS-20, SP-1200, and even 
> the Casio SK-1 (they don't sound much like drums, but they're cool). 
> I do wish the sample names were more clear about their sources, and 
> there's room for a more exhaustive collection of analog beatbox 
> samples - the 505, 707, 606, DMX, Drumulator, LinnDrum, etc. don't 
> seem to be represented - but I guess we won't ever see that. There's 
> a decent variety here, the sound quality is good, and I'm pretty well 
> covered now, drum-wise.
> 
> In summary, the sound of the Vintage ROM is warmer and softer, on the 
> whole, than the XL ROM, which has a cold, hard, modern techno sound 
> to my ears. It's a good choice if you want to expand your sonic 
> palette, since it complements the XL without much overlap. There 
> aren't as many samples as on the XL, but there are still a good 
> number and the quality is generally very high. It also may be a good 
> choice even if you have a VA - it can augment the sonic range of the 
> VA and take some of the polyphony load off as well. I'm very happy 
> with it. Thanks to everyone who gave input on my decision, and to 
> Matt Picone, a fellow Virus owner who argued in favor of the Vintage.
> 
> I also picked up a Protean Drums ROM from a list member (thanks, Tom) 
> and will be posting a review of that once I've had some more time 
> with it.

Re: [xl7] Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Thanks man, that's very helpful!  I've been debating swapping my XL-7 ROM 
with the Vintage, and I think you may have sold me.  One more question for 
the Vintage Rom owners though:

I typically don't use factory presets in my songs, preferring instead to 
start with a blank Preset and browse the Instruments in order to choose my 
sounds.  So, are the Vintage Instruments good on their own, or do they 
require Preset patchcord work to sound good?  IE, are the factory presets 
good because of the way they have been programmed, or is the source 
material good on it's own too?

rEalm






I almost didn't get this, since I have a Virus which admirably covers 
most of the same bases and is more flexible than a sample player, but 
I'm very glad I did. It's now sitting in the second slot on my XL7. 
Some thoughts, very much filtered through the lens of my own personal 
needs:

Electric Pianos
The Yamaha CP70 was a revelation - if you want a realistic acoustic 
grand for solo use this isn't it, but I just wanted a good, 
recognizable piano sample, and this totally fits the bill. The CP70 
isn't an electric piano so much as a small acoustic stage piano with 
piezo pickups on each string, and I like the slightly lo-fi rock-n-
roll quality. Very pleasant surprise. As for the other electric 
pianos, I can't really comment, as I personally detest the sound of 
EPs, other than to say that as has been pointed out elsewhere, the 
volume levels in the presets are too low relative to other sounds. 
There are lots of them though. Some of the instruments (including the 
CP70) are recorded at different velocity levels, for improved 
dynamics.

Organs and Clavs
I'm not able to comment on authenticity, but there are plenty of them 
and they sound fine (though some could use a volume boost as well). 
Not something I have much use for, but the clavs could be handy for 
some arpeggiated synth lines. My guess is that anyone who wants lots 
of organ sounds is going to be more interested in the B3 ROM, and I 
don't know how many of these were taken from there.

Electric Bass Guitar
There are a couple of these - Fingers sounds like a Fender, and Pilot 
is probably a Guild Pilot played with a pick. Their inclusion is a 
little odd, considering the theme of the ROM, but they sound nice and 
should cover the rare occasions when I want a sampled bass guitar. I 
particularly like the Pilot sample.

Analog Synths
These are very nice, covering many of the classics from Roland to 
Sequential to Arp, Moog, and Oberheim. There are also some Yamaha DX 
samples (ep and bass, of course); but the only Korg seems to be the 
MS-20 drums. The sound of these samples is warm and rich, and there's 
a good variety of waveforms. This territory is well-covered by any 
decent VA, but textural variety is useful, particularly in a sample-
based synth, and there's plenty of it here. In concert with the XL 
ROM I now have a wide range of raw material for the Emu filters, and 
the results both support and complement the Virus.

Analog Basses
My Virus has this nailed, so I wasn't too concerned about the number 
and quality of the bass samples. However, I couldn't help noticing 
that there are several good sounding instruments in this category, 
and I like the Vintage basses better, on the whole, than the XL 
basses. If I want to leave my Virus at home at some point I can count 
on the Vintage ROM to step in and take over the low end.

Pads/Strings
This was a primary consideration in choosing this ROM. As much as I 
love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the XL, 
and the Emu synthesis engine is well-suited to complex, layered pads. 
The Vintage ROM provides lots of material for these, between the 
rawer synth waves and some Elka, Solina and Matrix-12 samples 
specifically intended for string pads. They sound warm and full, with 
ample detail in the high end, and thanks to the filters and mod 
matrix they can have as much animation as you like.

Vox
There are some choir-ish samples, primarily from the Mellotron; this 
is an area where the XL is a bit weak so it's nice to get some added 
options. The Mellotron samples have a distinctive, rough quality to 
them, but again, I can't speak as to authenticity. There's still no 
realistic choir sound though - for that I guess you need one of the 
pop ROMs, like the P2500 or ZR.

Drums
I figured this category would be redundant in a box containing both 
the XL and PX ROMs (more on that later), but there's less duplication 
of samples than I expected. The focus, of course, is on analog 
beatboxes - the 808 and 909, but also the MS-20, SP-1200, and even 
the Casio SK-1 (they don't sound much like drums, but they're cool). 
I do wish the sample names were more clear about their sources, and 
there's room for a more exhaustive collection of analog beatbox 
samples - the 505, 707, 606, DMX, Drumulator, LinnDrum, etc. don't 
seem to be represented - but I guess we won't ever see that. There's 
a decent variety here, the sound quality is good, and I'm pretty well 
covered now, drum-wise.

In summary, the sound of the Vintage ROM is warmer and softer, on the 
whole, than the XL ROM, which has a cold, hard, modern techno sound 
to my ears. It's a good choice if you want to expand your sonic 
palette, since it complements the XL without much overlap. There 
aren't as many samples as on the XL, but there are still a good 
number and the quality is generally very high. It also may be a good 
choice even if you have a VA - it can augment the sonic range of the 
VA and take some of the polyphony load off as well. I'm very happy 
with it. Thanks to everyone who gave input on my decision, and to 
Matt Picone, a fellow Virus owner who argued in favor of the Vintage.

I also picked up a Protean Drums ROM from a list member (thanks, Tom) 
and will be posting a review of that once I've had some more time 
with it. 



 
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Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-10 by M2

Very solid on their own rEalm.  I have also found that mixing presets 
from different ROM's is cool too.  I have mixed 4 layers from each 
ROM on several modules.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Thanks man, that's very helpful!  I've been debating swapping my XL-
7 ROM 
> with the Vintage, and I think you may have sold me.  One more 
question for 
> the Vintage Rom owners though:
> 
> I typically don't use factory presets in my songs, preferring 
instead to 
> start with a blank Preset and browse the Instruments in order to 
choose my 
> sounds.  So, are the Vintage Instruments good on their own, or do 
they 
> require Preset patchcord work to sound good?  IE, are the factory 
presets 
> good because of the way they have been programmed, or is the source 
> material good on it's own too?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I almost didn't get this, since I have a Virus which admirably 
covers 
> most of the same bases and is more flexible than a sample player, 
but 
> I'm very glad I did. It's now sitting in the second slot on my XL7. 
> Some thoughts, very much filtered through the lens of my own 
personal 
> needs:
> 
> Electric Pianos
> The Yamaha CP70 was a revelation - if you want a realistic acoustic 
> grand for solo use this isn't it, but I just wanted a good, 
> recognizable piano sample, and this totally fits the bill. The CP70 
> isn't an electric piano so much as a small acoustic stage piano 
with 
> piezo pickups on each string, and I like the slightly lo-fi rock-n-
> roll quality. Very pleasant surprise. As for the other electric 
> pianos, I can't really comment, as I personally detest the sound of 
> EPs, other than to say that as has been pointed out elsewhere, the 
> volume levels in the presets are too low relative to other sounds. 
> There are lots of them though. Some of the instruments (including 
the 
> CP70) are recorded at different velocity levels, for improved 
> dynamics.
> 
> Organs and Clavs
> I'm not able to comment on authenticity, but there are plenty of 
them 
> and they sound fine (though some could use a volume boost as well). 
> Not something I have much use for, but the clavs could be handy for 
> some arpeggiated synth lines. My guess is that anyone who wants 
lots 
> of organ sounds is going to be more interested in the B3 ROM, and I 
> don't know how many of these were taken from there.
> 
> Electric Bass Guitar
> There are a couple of these - Fingers sounds like a Fender, and 
Pilot 
> is probably a Guild Pilot played with a pick. Their inclusion is a 
> little odd, considering the theme of the ROM, but they sound nice 
and 
> should cover the rare occasions when I want a sampled bass guitar. 
I 
> particularly like the Pilot sample.
> 
> Analog Synths
> These are very nice, covering many of the classics from Roland to 
> Sequential to Arp, Moog, and Oberheim. There are also some Yamaha 
DX 
> samples (ep and bass, of course); but the only Korg seems to be the 
> MS-20 drums. The sound of these samples is warm and rich, and 
there's 
> a good variety of waveforms. This territory is well-covered by any 
> decent VA, but textural variety is useful, particularly in a sample-
> based synth, and there's plenty of it here. In concert with the XL 
> ROM I now have a wide range of raw material for the Emu filters, 
and 
> the results both support and complement the Virus.
> 
> Analog Basses
> My Virus has this nailed, so I wasn't too concerned about the 
number 
> and quality of the bass samples. However, I couldn't help noticing 
> that there are several good sounding instruments in this category, 
> and I like the Vintage basses better, on the whole, than the XL 
> basses. If I want to leave my Virus at home at some point I can 
count 
> on the Vintage ROM to step in and take over the low end.
> 
> Pads/Strings
> This was a primary consideration in choosing this ROM. As much as I 
> love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the XL, 
> and the Emu synthesis engine is well-suited to complex, layered 
pads. 
> The Vintage ROM provides lots of material for these, between the 
> rawer synth waves and some Elka, Solina and Matrix-12 samples 
> specifically intended for string pads. They sound warm and full, 
with 
> ample detail in the high end, and thanks to the filters and mod 
> matrix they can have as much animation as you like.
> 
> Vox
> There are some choir-ish samples, primarily from the Mellotron; 
this 
> is an area where the XL is a bit weak so it's nice to get some 
added 
> options. The Mellotron samples have a distinctive, rough quality to 
> them, but again, I can't speak as to authenticity. There's still no 
> realistic choir sound though - for that I guess you need one of the 
> pop ROMs, like the P2500 or ZR.
> 
> Drums
> I figured this category would be redundant in a box containing both 
> the XL and PX ROMs (more on that later), but there's less 
duplication 
> of samples than I expected. The focus, of course, is on analog 
> beatboxes - the 808 and 909, but also the MS-20, SP-1200, and even 
> the Casio SK-1 (they don't sound much like drums, but they're 
cool). 
> I do wish the sample names were more clear about their sources, and 
> there's room for a more exhaustive collection of analog beatbox 
> samples - the 505, 707, 606, DMX, Drumulator, LinnDrum, etc. don't 
> seem to be represented - but I guess we won't ever see that. 
There's 
> a decent variety here, the sound quality is good, and I'm pretty 
well 
> covered now, drum-wise.
> 
> In summary, the sound of the Vintage ROM is warmer and softer, on 
the 
> whole, than the XL ROM, which has a cold, hard, modern techno sound 
> to my ears. It's a good choice if you want to expand your sonic 
> palette, since it complements the XL without much overlap. There 
> aren't as many samples as on the XL, but there are still a good 
> number and the quality is generally very high. It also may be a 
good 
> choice even if you have a VA - it can augment the sonic range of 
the 
> VA and take some of the polyphony load off as well. I'm very happy 
> with it. Thanks to everyone who gave input on my decision, and to 
> Matt Picone, a fellow Virus owner who argued in favor of the 
Vintage.
> 
> I also picked up a Protean Drums ROM from a list member (thanks, 
Tom) 
> and will be posting a review of that once I've had some more time 
> with it. 
> 
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Re: [xl7] Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-10 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Thanks!

rEalm





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Very solid on their own rEalm.  I have also found that mixing presets 
from different ROM's is cool too.  I have mixed 4 layers from each 
ROM on several modules.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Thanks man, that's very helpful!  I've been debating swapping my XL-
7 ROM 
> with the Vintage, and I think you may have sold me.  One more 
question for 
> the Vintage Rom owners though:
> 
> I typically don't use factory presets in my songs, preferring 
instead to 
> start with a blank Preset and browse the Instruments in order to 
choose my 
> sounds.  So, are the Vintage Instruments good on their own, or do 
they 
> require Preset patchcord work to sound good?  IE, are the factory 
presets 
> good because of the way they have been programmed, or is the source 
> material good on it's own too?
> 
> rEalm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I almost didn't get this, since I have a Virus which admirably 
covers 
> most of the same bases and is more flexible than a sample player, 
but 
> I'm very glad I did. It's now sitting in the second slot on my XL7. 
> Some thoughts, very much filtered through the lens of my own 
personal 
> needs:
> 
> Electric Pianos
> The Yamaha CP70 was a revelation - if you want a realistic acoustic 
> grand for solo use this isn't it, but I just wanted a good, 
> recognizable piano sample, and this totally fits the bill. The CP70 
> isn't an electric piano so much as a small acoustic stage piano 
with 
> piezo pickups on each string, and I like the slightly lo-fi rock-n-
> roll quality. Very pleasant surprise. As for the other electric 
> pianos, I can't really comment, as I personally detest the sound of 
> EPs, other than to say that as has been pointed out elsewhere, the 
> volume levels in the presets are too low relative to other sounds. 
> There are lots of them though. Some of the instruments (including 
the 
> CP70) are recorded at different velocity levels, for improved 
> dynamics.
> 
> Organs and Clavs
> I'm not able to comment on authenticity, but there are plenty of 
them 
> and they sound fine (though some could use a volume boost as well). 
> Not something I have much use for, but the clavs could be handy for 
> some arpeggiated synth lines. My guess is that anyone who wants 
lots 
> of organ sounds is going to be more interested in the B3 ROM, and I 
> don't know how many of these were taken from there.
> 
> Electric Bass Guitar
> There are a couple of these - Fingers sounds like a Fender, and 
Pilot 
> is probably a Guild Pilot played with a pick. Their inclusion is a 
> little odd, considering the theme of the ROM, but they sound nice 
and 
> should cover the rare occasions when I want a sampled bass guitar. 
I 
> particularly like the Pilot sample.
> 
> Analog Synths
> These are very nice, covering many of the classics from Roland to 
> Sequential to Arp, Moog, and Oberheim. There are also some Yamaha 
DX 
> samples (ep and bass, of course); but the only Korg seems to be the 
> MS-20 drums. The sound of these samples is warm and rich, and 
there's 
> a good variety of waveforms. This territory is well-covered by any 
> decent VA, but textural variety is useful, particularly in a sample-
> based synth, and there's plenty of it here. In concert with the XL 
> ROM I now have a wide range of raw material for the Emu filters, 
and 
> the results both support and complement the Virus.
> 
> Analog Basses
> My Virus has this nailed, so I wasn't too concerned about the 
number 
> and quality of the bass samples. However, I couldn't help noticing 
> that there are several good sounding instruments in this category, 
> and I like the Vintage basses better, on the whole, than the XL 
> basses. If I want to leave my Virus at home at some point I can 
count 
> on the Vintage ROM to step in and take over the low end.
> 
> Pads/Strings
> This was a primary consideration in choosing this ROM. As much as I 
> love my Virus, it just doesn't have the high-end clarity of the XL, 
> and the Emu synthesis engine is well-suited to complex, layered 
pads. 
> The Vintage ROM provides lots of material for these, between the 
> rawer synth waves and some Elka, Solina and Matrix-12 samples 
> specifically intended for string pads. They sound warm and full, 
with 
> ample detail in the high end, and thanks to the filters and mod 
> matrix they can have as much animation as you like.
> 
> Vox
> There are some choir-ish samples, primarily from the Mellotron; 
this 
> is an area where the XL is a bit weak so it's nice to get some 
added 
> options. The Mellotron samples have a distinctive, rough quality to 
> them, but again, I can't speak as to authenticity. There's still no 
> realistic choir sound though - for that I guess you need one of the 
> pop ROMs, like the P2500 or ZR.
> 
> Drums
> I figured this category would be redundant in a box containing both 
> the XL and PX ROMs (more on that later), but there's less 
duplication 
> of samples than I expected. The focus, of course, is on analog 
> beatboxes - the 808 and 909, but also the MS-20, SP-1200, and even 
> the Casio SK-1 (they don't sound much like drums, but they're 
cool). 
> I do wish the sample names were more clear about their sources, and 
> there's room for a more exhaustive collection of analog beatbox 
> samples - the 505, 707, 606, DMX, Drumulator, LinnDrum, etc. don't 
> seem to be represented - but I guess we won't ever see that. 
There's 
> a decent variety here, the sound quality is good, and I'm pretty 
well 
> covered now, drum-wise.
> 
> In summary, the sound of the Vintage ROM is warmer and softer, on 
the 
> whole, than the XL ROM, which has a cold, hard, modern techno sound 
> to my ears. It's a good choice if you want to expand your sonic 
> palette, since it complements the XL without much overlap. There 
> aren't as many samples as on the XL, but there are still a good 
> number and the quality is generally very high. It also may be a 
good 
> choice even if you have a VA - it can augment the sonic range of 
the 
> VA and take some of the polyphony load off as well. I'm very happy 
> with it. Thanks to everyone who gave input on my decision, and to 
> Matt Picone, a fellow Virus owner who argued in favor of the 
Vintage.
> 
> I also picked up a Protean Drums ROM from a list member (thanks, 
Tom) 
> and will be posting a review of that once I've had some more time 
> with it. 
> 
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Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-10 by robotchas

Some are the same, some are different. I'd say if you have the 
Protean Drums and XL ROMs you have most of what is in the Vintage, 
drum-wise, as the Vintage has the fewest drums of the three, many of 
which are duplicated in the other two. There are some sounds that 
seem to be unique to the Vintage, though, which I did not expect.

Compared to the XL ROM, the Vintage ROM contains the SP-1200, SK-1, 
and MS-20 sounds from the Protean Drums as well as a few 808 and 909-
ish sounds (few of the samples are named anything more descriptive 
than "Kick 19", and there is no keymap available) that are not in the 
XL. The acoustic kits (I believe there are two) don't seem to come 
from either XL or PX. If you want more electronic drum sounds and 
don't want the (very realistic) acoustic kits of the PX ROM then the 
Vintage might make sense, but due to the overlap with the XL you'll 
probably get more mileage out of something like the TSCY ROM, which 
has lots of 909 samples.

For me it was nice to get a few more drum samples to work with, as 
the primary function of my Command Station is drum programming, but 
it wasn't a significant factor in my decision to get the ROM, which 
has other strengths.

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "puzzlelounge" <puzzlelounge@y...> wrote:
> Robotchas,
> 
> Can you give more details regaring the overlap in the drums, Vintage
> Collection vs XL-7?  Are the 808 and 909 kits the same, or 
different?
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>  How about the other Vintage kits?
> 
> Jared
>

Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-10 by robotchas

SOP for me when checking out a new sample-based synth (or in this 
case, sample ROM) is to disable the effects, open up the filters and 
kill any modulation, and then step through each of the individual raw 
samples. They hold up very well for the most part...there are some 
places where the keymap points are apparent, but I didn't notice 
anything that couldn't be covered by a little 
filtering/layering/whatever.

And happily, most of the filter sweeps are generated by the Command 
Station and NOT embedded in the sample itself. I hate that. 
Exceptions include several of the synth basses (which is to be 
expected) and the Rogue waves, but at least you can set SampleStart 
to 127 to trim off the transient. The raw waves are indeed raw.

That said, the presets are well done (I usually hate E-mu presets, 
sorry programmers) - they sound good but aren't so distinctive as to 
be unuseable. No DigitalNativeDance or SkiJam here.

Bear in mind that the XL ROM has a much broader range of waveforms to 
play with than the Vintage. I personally prefer the sound of the 
Vintage, but I wouldn't want to exchange one for the other as I find 
they work better in concert. I have little interest in samples of non-
electronic instruments though, so YMWV.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Thanks man, that's very helpful!  I've been debating swapping my XL-
7 ROM 
> with the Vintage, and I think you may have sold me.  One more 
question for 
> the Vintage Rom owners though:
> 
> I typically don't use factory presets in my songs, preferring 
instead to 
> start with a blank Preset and browse the Instruments in order to 
choose my 
> sounds.  So, are the Vintage Instruments good on their own, or do 
they 
> require Preset patchcord work to sound good?  IE, are the factory 
presets 
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> good because of the way they have been programmed, or is the source 
> material good on it's own too?
> 
> rEalm

Re: [xl7] Re: Vintage Collection ROM Review

2004-05-11 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Thanks again.  I think I'll need to go and play with the Vintage Rack at 
my local guitar center before I decide to totally ditch the XL-7 ROM.

rEalm





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SOP for me when checking out a new sample-based synth (or in this 
case, sample ROM) is to disable the effects, open up the filters and 
kill any modulation, and then step through each of the individual raw 
samples. They hold up very well for the most part...there are some 
places where the keymap points are apparent, but I didn't notice 
anything that couldn't be covered by a little 
filtering/layering/whatever.

And happily, most of the filter sweeps are generated by the Command 
Station and NOT embedded in the sample itself. I hate that. 
Exceptions include several of the synth basses (which is to be 
expected) and the Rogue waves, but at least you can set SampleStart 
to 127 to trim off the transient. The raw waves are indeed raw.

That said, the presets are well done (I usually hate E-mu presets, 
sorry programmers) - they sound good but aren't so distinctive as to 
be unuseable. No DigitalNativeDance or SkiJam here.

Bear in mind that the XL ROM has a much broader range of waveforms to 
play with than the Vintage. I personally prefer the sound of the 
Vintage, but I wouldn't want to exchange one for the other as I find 
they work better in concert. I have little interest in samples of non-
electronic instruments though, so YMWV.



--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, erik_magrini@B... wrote:
> Thanks man, that's very helpful!  I've been debating swapping my XL-
7 ROM 
> with the Vintage, and I think you may have sold me.  One more 
question for 
> the Vintage Rom owners though:
> 
> I typically don't use factory presets in my songs, preferring 
instead to 
> start with a blank Preset and browse the Instruments in order to 
choose my 
> sounds.  So, are the Vintage Instruments good on their own, or do 
they 
> require Preset patchcord work to sound good?  IE, are the factory 
presets 
> good because of the way they have been programmed, or is the source 
> material good on it's own too?
> 
> rEalm




 
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