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OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-21 by Turby

We discused around this threat once, but i still like to recollect 
some opinions about it...

I was about to buy a 19inch rack and an LCD screen, in the first 
place because of money, but i talked to a very friend of mine... he 
advised about the risk of Hard disc damages because of the vibrations 
and [sorry dont know the english word] the wetness of the air in 
crowded clubs and outdoor. He said a Laptop may be more resistant to 
that kind of condicions. Anyhow lots of people work with shuttle case 
PCs and i wonder if they use a special kind of harddisk?

Further i checked out some Notebooks. Seems like most of the 
manufacturers use shared VideoRAM lately and rEalm advised that they 
aint got at all for audio proposals. Lets say that the Notebook have 
512 MB of RAM, if i dedicate 16 RAM to the VideoCard, is there still 
danger of Dropouts or whats the problem with shared RAM? I didnt want 
to replace my desktop PC, i like to use it for DJ proposals and some 
out of studio recordings.

Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-21 by Bob S.

Hi

Hard disks have their inner mechanisms hermetically sealed from moisture, however, the circuit board on the outside of a drive is exposed.  Hard drives also have mechanisms that pull the heads away from the data portion of the platter after power is removed so shock during unpowered moves presents little risk to data.

Notebooks use exactly the same type of mechanisms and seals but are slightly less prone to damage because the mechanisms are of lower mass.

In both case mounted and notebook systems, the main circuitry (motherboard, RAM, etc) is exposed to the atmosphere and therefore can be affected by high humidity.  All such electronics are rated for about 90 -95% RH (relative humidity) non-condensing (meaning the warm humid air does not meet a cooler surface causing moisture condensation).  Unless you buy a specialized sealed system.

There are many rack mount cases (industrial types) available that support regular PC motherboards and offer some rubberized mounting of the hard drives to reduce some shock.  However, since drives are mechanical devices, they have a higher failure rate than the circuits that run them and for such critical applications as regular performance, I would set up a second drive in the system that is a mirror of the first so that a quick recovery can be made if the first drive were to fail.

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA
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  Subject: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC



  We discused around this threat once, but i still like to recollect 
  some opinions about it...

  I was about to buy a 19inch rack and an LCD screen, in the first 
  place because of money, but i talked to a very friend of mine... he 
  advised about the risk of Hard disc damages because of the vibrations 
  and [sorry dont know the english word] the wetness of the air in 
  crowded clubs and outdoor. He said a Laptop may be more resistant to 
  that kind of condicions. Anyhow lots of people work with shuttle case 
  PCs and i wonder if they use a special kind of harddisk?

  Further i checked out some Notebooks. Seems like most of the 
  manufacturers use shared VideoRAM lately and rEalm advised that they 
  aint got at all for audio proposals. Lets say that the Notebook have 
  512 MB of RAM, if i dedicate 16 RAM to the VideoCard, is there still 
  danger of Dropouts or whats the problem with shared RAM? I didnt want 
  to replace my desktop PC, i like to use it for DJ proposals and some 
  out of studio recordings.




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Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-22 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

You really should try and find a laptop without shared memory first of 
all.  Most laptops will not let you specify how much memory to allocate to 
the video card, and it's not a question of the amount of RAM you have 
anyway.  The problem, is that it chokes the CPU buss, so you can have a 
ton of avaiable memory and still have performance issues if you're using a 
laptop with shared graphics memory.  Not all laptops have this, typically 
only the cheaper ones.

If you want a computer to use at DJ gigs, I highly recommend a laptop for 
space saving reasons if nothing else.  I've yet to be in a DJ booth that 
would actually have enough room for a rack mount PC and LCD screen.  Where 
as a laptop you can place right on top of a standard turntable if need be 
(this is what I do BTW).

rEalm





Further i checked out some Notebooks. Seems like most of the 
manufacturers use shared VideoRAM lately and rEalm advised that they 
aint got at all for audio proposals. Lets say that the Notebook have 
512 MB of RAM, if i dedicate 16 RAM to the VideoCard, is there still 
danger of Dropouts or whats the problem with shared RAM? I didnt want 
to replace my desktop PC, i like to use it for DJ proposals and some 
out of studio recordings.






 
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Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by ||||* *||||

Bob,

you said youd use a second Harddisc as a shadow of the first one, how youd 
do that, copy all its content and set the HDsks to Cable Select?

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Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by Bob S.

I use Windows 2000 as an operating system for my music PCs.  It has giving me little to no troubles with music related software and drivers.  The instructions for creating a mirror drive in Windows 2000 is located here:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302969

Other MS operating systems can also be mirrored with hardware and/or software products.  Here is a link with some discussions on RAIDS, mirrors and XP:

http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/?cmd=show&ixPost=75078

What MS OS do you intend on using on this PC ?

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA
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  Bob,

  you said youd use a second Harddisc as a shadow of the first one, how youd 
  do that, copy all its content and set the HDsks to Cable Select?

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Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by ||||* *||||

I use XP...
T

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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:02:27 -0800

I use Windows 2000 as an operating system for my music PCs.  It has giving 
me little to no troubles with music related software and drivers.  The 
instructions for creating a mirror drive in Windows 2000 is located here:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302969

Other MS operating systems can also be mirrored with hardware and/or 
software products.  Here is a link with some discussions on RAIDS, mirrors 
and XP:

http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/?cmd=show&ixPost=75078

What MS OS do you intend on using on this PC ?

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA

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   Subject: Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC



   Bob,

   you said youd use a second Harddisc as a shadow of the first one, how 
youd
   do that, copy all its content and set the HDsks to Cable Select?

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Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by ||||* *||||

I just checked out the link about mirrored drives with XP, they say its 
possible with RAID drives, i have just ATA100... Guess installing a new OS 
in the second disc could be an option too...

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Subject: Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:02:27 -0800

I use Windows 2000 as an operating system for my music PCs.  It has giving 
me little to no troubles with music related software and drivers.  The 
instructions for creating a mirror drive in Windows 2000 is located here:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302969

Other MS operating systems can also be mirrored with hardware and/or 
software products.  Here is a link with some discussions on RAIDS, mirrors 
and XP:

http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/?cmd=show&ixPost=75078

What MS OS do you intend on using on this PC ?

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA

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   Bob,

   you said youd use a second Harddisc as a shadow of the first one, how 
youd
   do that, copy all its content and set the HDsks to Cable Select?

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Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by Bob S.

The RAID/mirror drive (2nd drive) would include everything on the primary 1st drive including the OS.  This would allow you to boot from it if the 1st drive failed.

For Windows XP, if you don't have a motherboard yet for this system, you could get a board with built-in RAID capability.   Or you can use a file synchronization software such as:

http://www.drive-backup.com/  or

http://www.tgrmn.com/index.htm?camp=goog_mir

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA
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  I just checked out the link about mirrored drives with XP, they say its 
  possible with RAID drives, i have just ATA100... Guess installing a new OS 
  in the second disc could be an option too...

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  From: "Bob S." <tttsystems@...>
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  To: <xl7@yahoogroups.com>
  Subject: Re: [xl7] OT Laptop or Shuttle PC
  Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:02:27 -0800

  I use Windows 2000 as an operating system for my music PCs.  It has giving 
  me little to no troubles with music related software and drivers.  The 
  instructions for creating a mirror drive in Windows 2000 is located here:

  http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=302969

  Other MS operating systems can also be mirrored with hardware and/or 
  software products.  Here is a link with some discussions on RAIDS, mirrors 
  and XP:

  http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/?cmd=show&ixPost=75078

  What MS OS do you intend on using on this PC ?

  Bob
  Corona/Riverside, CA

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     Bob,

     you said youd use a second Harddisc as a shadow of the first one, how 
  youd
     do that, copy all its content and set the HDsks to Cable Select?

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Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by oriface111

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "||||* *||||" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
> I just checked out the link about mirrored drives with XP, they say 
its 
> possible with RAID drives, i have just ATA100... Guess installing a 
new OS 
> in the second disc could be an option too...

any drive can be a RAID drive. it is just the way the filesystem is 
placed on the disk. i believe that you can only have raid drives in 
xp pro so make sure you have pro before buying any more drives. 
another solution someone else mentioned was a motherboard with raid 
onboard. these are a little bit more difficult to set up, but would 
not require xp pro.

Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by vibesart

I wonder how this would do...?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1069939&Sku=S450-3206%20A

it's got a handle....

RE: [xl7] Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-23 by tttsystems@earthlink.net

Nope.  No good.  (I think you were joking?)

Motherboard too bottom line, probaby shares regular RAM with display RAM,
not ruggedized enough for frequent travel unless you put it in a case with
foam (even with the handle).  This is a home PC with a handle.

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA




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Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-24 by vibesart

Actually I am not joking and looking to get feedback on MBs etc- 

on the other hand -  it is all a joke and we are better to understand
it that way. Computers should be the cheapest option available - and
thought of as disposable, because they are - and in no time we will
need yet another.

for ex - if I could make this work:

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I would do it!


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> Nope.  No good.  (I think you were joking?)
> 
> Motherboard too bottom line, probaby shares regular RAM with display
RAM,
> not ruggedized enough for frequent travel unless you put it in a
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> foam (even with the handle).  This is a home PC with a handle.
> 
> Bob
> Corona/Riverside, CA
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RE: [xl7] Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-24 by tttsystems@earthlink.net

Are you going to use this PC for sample playback, digital recording or
softsynths (high processing/drive loads) ?  Or just as a midi controller or
midi librarian ?  That would help in deciding.  It sometimes only takes a
small incremental amount of money to get a much better PC.....

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA


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<tt>
<BR>
Actually I am not joking and looking to get feedback on MBs etc- <BR>
<BR>
on the other hand -  it is all a joke and we are better to understand<BR>
it that way. Computers should be the cheapest option available - and<BR>
thought of as disposable, because they are - and in no time we will<BR>
need yet another.<BR>
<BR>
for ex - if I could make this work:<BR>
<BR>
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> Nope.  No good.  (I think you were joking?)<BR>
> <BR>
> Motherboard too bottom line, probaby shares regular RAM with display<BR>
RAM,<BR>
> not ruggedized enough for frequent travel unless you put it in a<BR>
case with<BR>
> foam (even with the handle).  This is a home PC with a handle.<BR>
> <BR>
> Bob<BR>
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> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 21:24:17 -0000<BR>
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Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-24 by vibesart

Actually for Emulator X w/1820M + LIVE and maybe Cubase

I have a great 1.6 ghz Athlon PC (my first PC) built to top spec now
w/great power supply, cabling, etc but it is loud, the case is huge,
the ASUS mobo will accept max 1.8 ghz processor....seems more cost
worthy to repurpose it than tear it apart and install new mobo and
processor, and now I wonder why I paid $1200 for it - the parts will
far outlast it's usefulness - thus I am thinking cheap cheap prebuilt
for the next PC - if it falls apart by 1-2 years from now...it matters
not. 

I stumbled across this site - tips for music pc:

http://www.philrees.co.uk/pc4music/advice_pcguide.php

Phil Rees lists video memory as being the least important
consideration for a music PC





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "tttsystems@e..." <tttsystems@e...> wrote:
> Are you going to use this PC for sample playback, digital recording
or
> softsynths (high processing/drive loads) ?  Or just as a midi
controller or
> midi librarian ?  That would help in deciding.  It sometimes only
takes a
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> small incremental amount of money to get a much better PC.....
> 
> Bob
> Corona/Riverside, CA

Re: [xl7] Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-24 by erik_magrini@Baxter.com

Well, I guess I would ask why you think you need a new MB and processor? I 
only use a 1.8gHz CPu in my studio, and have rarely (if ever) felt I 
needed more power.  That should be more than enough to run what you want, 
I know cause I do it all the time.  ;)  You can get a new case (Enlight 
makes some very quiet cases/power supplies) and quieter fans 
(www.quietpc.com) for less than $150 easy.

Personally, I'm not even thinking of redoing my PC until we start seeing 
more 64 bit processors and MB's at a decent price, as well as PCI-X 
included on the MB.

Just my $.02 though.

rEalm






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11/23/2004 09:43 PM
Please respond to xl7

 
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Actually for Emulator X w/1820M + LIVE and maybe Cubase

I have a great 1.6 ghz Athlon PC (my first PC) built to top spec now
w/great power supply, cabling, etc but it is loud, the case is huge,
the ASUS mobo will accept max 1.8 ghz processor....seems more cost
worthy to repurpose it than tear it apart and install new mobo and
processor, and now I wonder why I paid $1200 for it - the parts will
far outlast it's usefulness - thus I am thinking cheap cheap prebuilt
for the next PC - if it falls apart by 1-2 years from now...it matters
not. 

I stumbled across this site - tips for music pc:

http://www.philrees.co.uk/pc4music/advice_pcguide.php

Phil Rees lists video memory as being the least important
consideration for a music PC





--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "tttsystems@e..." <tttsystems@e...> wrote:
> Are you going to use this PC for sample playback, digital recording
or
> softsynths (high processing/drive loads) ?  Or just as a midi
controller or
> midi librarian ?  That would help in deciding.  It sometimes only
takes a
> small incremental amount of money to get a much better PC.....
> 
> Bob
> Corona/Riverside, CA






 
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RE: [xl7] Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-24 by ||||* *||||

Thought Raid is Serial ATA....Sorry

Meanwhile instaling XP you get asked
Do you want to install a 3rd Party or Raid driver?

Guess that what it is about...
So, how to set up a mirrored system, step by step?

T

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:33 -0000


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "||||* *||||" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
 > I just checked out the link about mirrored drives with XP, they say
its
 > possible with RAID drives, i have just ATA100... Guess installing a
new OS
 > in the second disc could be an option too...

any drive can be a RAID drive. it is just the way the filesystem is
placed on the disk. i believe that you can only have raid drives in
xp pro so make sure you have pro before buying any more drives.
another solution someone else mentioned was a motherboard with raid
onboard. these are a little bit more difficult to set up, but would
not require xp pro.

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Re: [xl7] Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC

2004-11-24 by Bob S.

Hurry...just get one of these PCI based RAID controllers <$10....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39968&item=5142144931&rd=1

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39968&item=5142172841&rd=1

or any other.....this will let you set up a RAID/mirror drive in any OS.

I think I am going to get one to play with myself......

Bob
Corona/Riverside, CA
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  Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:14 AM
  Subject: RE: [xl7] Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC



  Thought Raid is Serial ATA....Sorry

  Meanwhile instaling XP you get asked
  Do you want to install a 3rd Party or Raid driver?

  Guess that what it is about...
  So, how to set up a mirrored system, step by step?

  T

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  From: "oriface111" <contact@...>
  Reply-To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
  To: xl7@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [xl7] Re: OT Laptop or Shuttle PC
  Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:45:33 -0000


  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "||||* *||||" <trabantmusic@h...> wrote:
  > I just checked out the link about mirrored drives with XP, they say
  its
  > possible with RAID drives, i have just ATA100... Guess installing a
  new OS
  > in the second disc could be an option too...

  any drive can be a RAID drive. it is just the way the filesystem is
  placed on the disk. i believe that you can only have raid drives in
  xp pro so make sure you have pro before buying any more drives.
  another solution someone else mentioned was a motherboard with raid
  onboard. these are a little bit more difficult to set up, but would
  not require xp pro.

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