Emu XL-7 & MP-7 User's Group

I should have been more specific with what I am using - I want learn 
how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) and mean 
while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to know what 
parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit don't do 
enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp vel up as 
well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all the way up 
as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass drum 
sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick attack and  
quick release that happens over only around one or two eight notes at 
most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note on value 
endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same velocity would 
be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what ever I tell 
it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what I am 
wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to change (which 
is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR envelopes 
and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out changing the 
sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - please please 
please -

why dont you hit the preset edit button then press track buttn 4 to
put amp on the 4 layers?

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
<lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:

> 
> I should have been more specific with what I am using - I want learn 
> how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) and mean 
> while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to know what 
> parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit don't do 
> enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp vel up as 
> well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all the way up 
> as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass drum 
> sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick attack and  
> quick release that happens over only around one or two eight notes at 
> most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note on value 
> endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same velocity would 
> be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what ever I tell 
> it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what I am 
> wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to change (which 
> is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR envelopes 
> and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out changing the 
> sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - please please 
> please -

well thanks a lot - that did help get the volume level I was looking 
for - But I still need to be able to "sustain" a note at a given 
velocity for a given time ...

 --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> 
> why dont you hit the preset edit button then press track buttn 4 to
> put amp on the 4 layers?
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > I should have been more specific with what I am using - I want 
learn 
> > how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) and 
mean 
> > while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to 
know what 
> > parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit 
don't do 
> > enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp vel 
up as 
> > well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all the 
way up 
> > as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass 
drum 
> > sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick 
attack and  
> > quick release that happens over only around one or two eight 
notes at 
> > most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note on 
value 
> > endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same velocity 
would 
> > be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what ever 
I tell 
> > it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what I 
am 
> > wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to change 
(which 
> > is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR 
envelopes 
> > and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out changing 
the 
> > sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - please 
please 
> > please -

oooh ok. hmm might be the sample being played back? well try this go
into preset edit mode and press button 4 again for amp then turn the
knob a few times and mess with  or at least check out the decay
sustain andd release settings for all for layers and LA might help...

let me know what happens

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
<lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:

> 
> well thanks a lot - that did help get the volume level I was looking 
> for - But I still need to be able to "sustain" a note at a given 
> velocity for a given time ...
> 
>  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > why dont you hit the preset edit button then press track buttn 4 to
> > put amp on the 4 layers?
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> > <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I should have been more specific with what I am using - I want 
> learn 
> > > how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) and 
> mean 
> > > while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to 
> know what 
> > > parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit 
> don't do 
> > > enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp vel 
> up as 
> > > well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all the 
> way up 
> > > as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass 
> drum 
> > > sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick 
> attack and  
> > > quick release that happens over only around one or two eight 
> notes at 
> > > most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note on 
> value 
> > > endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same velocity 
> would 
> > > be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what ever 
> I tell 
> > > it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what I 
> am 
> > > wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to change 
> (which 
> > > is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR 
> envelopes 
> > > and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out changing 
> the 
> > > sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - please 
> please 
> > > please -

all for meaning all four :)

--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:

> 
> oooh ok. hmm might be the sample being played back? well try this go
> into preset edit mode and press button 4 again for amp then turn the
> knob a few times and mess with  or at least check out the decay
> sustain andd release settings for all for layers and LA might help...
> 
> let me know what happens
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > well thanks a lot - that did help get the volume level I was looking 
> > for - But I still need to be able to "sustain" a note at a given 
> > velocity for a given time ...
> > 
> >  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > why dont you hit the preset edit button then press track buttn 4 to
> > > put amp on the 4 layers?
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> > > <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I should have been more specific with what I am using - I want 
> > learn 
> > > > how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) and 
> > mean 
> > > > while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to 
> > know what 
> > > > parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit 
> > don't do 
> > > > enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp vel 
> > up as 
> > > > well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all the 
> > way up 
> > > > as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass 
> > drum 
> > > > sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick 
> > attack and  
> > > > quick release that happens over only around one or two eight 
> > notes at 
> > > > most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note on 
> > value 
> > > > endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same velocity 
> > would 
> > > > be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what ever 
> > I tell 
> > > > it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what I 
> > am 
> > > > wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to change 
> > (which 
> > > > is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR 
> > envelopes 
> > > > and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out changing 
> > the 
> > > > sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - please 
> > please 
> > > > please -

ok well first off I just want to say thanks - > I just want to 
address this before I continue - I am seriously not trying to be rude 
or anything like that when I say this please don't take it the wrong 
way - but seriously I am not that much of a noob - I do know what the 
envelopes and oscilators do and I know what the FX do - (I tried all 
of those basic things first)which is why I came here with my 
question - but I literally think that there has to be a way to take 
even the smallest of a given rom sample (one lasting only two or 
three 16th notes at most - which in my case happens to be the kick 2 
from the XL7 rom) and tweak it so that instead of its usuall basic 
sample length of only one or two 16th notes - it could be played to 
last even up to lets say 5 whole bars of 4/4 with the same velocity 
going strong - I did check all the decay sustain release settings for 
all the four layers - and that helped get some of the "sustain" type 
of idea I had in mind - but only by a few extra beats (two or three 
more 16th notes - which I was looking for a few extra whole bars ((16 
whole 16th notes))not just 16th notes) - I was thinking that this 
could be done with some sort of sysEx programming or something else I 
haven't tried - once again I really am eager to learn - maybe this 
question is too technical or that I am asking it in the wrong way - I 
hope not - I just want to take what I do know and broaden and expand 
my awarenesses - please don't take it the wrong way because I do 
appreciate the help - 


> oooh ok. hmm might be the sample being played back? well try this go
> into preset edit mode and press button 4 again for amp then turn the
> knob a few times and mess with  or at least check out the decay
> sustain andd release settings for all for layers and LA might 
help...
> 
> let me know what happens
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > well thanks a lot - that did help get the volume level I was 
looking 
> > for - But I still need to be able to "sustain" a note at a given 
> > velocity for a given time ...
> > 
> >  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > why dont you hit the preset edit button then press track buttn 
4 to
> > > put amp on the 4 layers?
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> > > <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I should have been more specific with what I am using - I 
want 
> > learn 
> > > > how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) 
and 
> > mean 
> > > > while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to 
> > know what 
> > > > parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit 
> > don't do 
> > > > enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp 
vel 
> > up as 
> > > > well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all 
the 
> > way up 
> > > > as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass 
> > drum 
> > > > sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick 
> > attack and  
> > > > quick release that happens over only around one or two eight 
> > notes at 
> > > > most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note 
on 
> > value 
> > > > endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same 
velocity 
> > would 
> > > > be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what 
ever 
> > I tell 
> > > > it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what 
I 
> > am 
> > > > wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to 
change 
> > (which 
> > > > is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR 
> > envelopes 
> > > > and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out 
changing 
> > the 
> > > > sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - 
please 
> > please 
> > > > please -

ok well first off I just want to say thanks - > I just want to 
address this before I continue - I am seriously not trying to be rude 
or anything like that when I say this please don't take it the wrong 
way - but seriously I am not that much of a noob - I do know what the 
envelopes and oscilators do and I know what the FX do - (I tried all 
of those basic things first)which is why I came here with my 
question - but I literally think that there has to be a way to take 
even the smallest of a given rom sample (one lasting only two or 
three 16th notes at most - which in my case happens to be the kick 2 
from the XL7 rom) and tweak it so that instead of its usuall basic 
sample length of only one or two 16th notes - it could be played to 
last even up to lets say 5 whole bars of 4/4 with the same velocity 
going strong - I did check all the decay sustain release settings for 
all the four layers - and that helped get some of the "sustain" type 
of idea I had in mind - but only by a few extra beats (two or three 
more 16th notes - which I was looking for a few extra whole bars ((16 
whole 16th notes))not just 16th notes) - I was thinking that this 
could be done with some sort of sysEx programming or something else I 
haven't tried - once again I really am eager to learn - maybe this 
question is too technical or that I am asking it in the wrong way - I 
hope not - I just want to take what I do know and broaden and expand 
my awarenesses - please don't take it the wrong way because I do 
appreciate the help - 


> oooh ok. hmm might be the sample being played back? well try this go
> into preset edit mode and press button 4 again for amp then turn the
> knob a few times and mess with  or at least check out the decay
> sustain andd release settings for all for layers and LA might 
help...
> 
> let me know what happens
> 
> --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > 
> > well thanks a lot - that did help get the volume level I was 
looking 
> > for - But I still need to be able to "sustain" a note at a given 
> > velocity for a given time ...
> > 
> >  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > why dont you hit the preset edit button then press track buttn 
4 to
> > > put amp on the 4 layers?
> > > 
> > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> > > <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I should have been more specific with what I am using - I 
want 
> > learn 
> > > > how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) 
and 
> > mean 
> > > > while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to 
> > know what 
> > > > parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit 
> > don't do 
> > > > enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp 
vel 
> > up as 
> > > > well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all 
the 
> > way up 
> > > > as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass 
> > drum 
> > > > sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick 
> > attack and  
> > > > quick release that happens over only around one or two eight 
> > notes at 
> > > > most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note 
on 
> > value 
> > > > endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same 
velocity 
> > would 
> > > > be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what 
ever 
> > I tell 
> > > > it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what 
I 
> > am 
> > > > wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to 
change 
> > (which 
> > > > is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR 
> > envelopes 
> > > > and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out 
changing 
> > the 
> > > > sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - 
please 
> > please 
> > > > please -

hehe none taken i kinda figured that if you went inthat menu alreasy
then you already knew how to use a synth but i was out of ideas and
wanted to make sure you knew what you were doing. as for what you want
to do, i really havent taken wave samples and extended them in
hardware before. but in wavelab i've taken an 808 drum and zoomed in
on the waveform and set a loop point that would make it loop until i
triggered a note off message.

was talking to a buddy about the best way to acheive this with vocals
yesterday and he said to try fading the same sample in and out. so
maybe the best way to acheive that on the xl-7(or whatever command
station) is to sequences a couple of kicks maybe 1/16 or 1/8 apart?
hen use the envelope to fade it in or out? but if you have an xl-7
shouldnt you be able to program your own? i have an mp-7 i think i
might be able to program one with it myself tho.

i have a bad memory and tho i did read your message i'm now cfonvinced
that you want to make a kick drum sustain. lol i will try to create my
own and if it works i'll let you know.


--- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
<lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:

> 
> ok well first off I just want to say thanks - > I just want to 
> address this before I continue - I am seriously not trying to be rude 
> or anything like that when I say this please don't take it the wrong 
> way - but seriously I am not that much of a noob - I do know what the 
> envelopes and oscilators do and I know what the FX do - (I tried all 
> of those basic things first)which is why I came here with my 
> question - but I literally think that there has to be a way to take 
> even the smallest of a given rom sample (one lasting only two or 
> three 16th notes at most - which in my case happens to be the kick 2 
> from the XL7 rom) and tweak it so that instead of its usuall basic 
> sample length of only one or two 16th notes - it could be played to 
> last even up to lets say 5 whole bars of 4/4 with the same velocity 
> going strong - I did check all the decay sustain release settings for 
> all the four layers - and that helped get some of the "sustain" type 
> of idea I had in mind - but only by a few extra beats (two or three 
> more 16th notes - which I was looking for a few extra whole bars ((16 
> whole 16th notes))not just 16th notes) - I was thinking that this 
> could be done with some sort of sysEx programming or something else I 
> haven't tried - once again I really am eager to learn - maybe this 
> question is too technical or that I am asking it in the wrong way - I 
> hope not - I just want to take what I do know and broaden and expand 
> my awarenesses - please don't take it the wrong way because I do 
> appreciate the help - 
> 
> 
> > oooh ok. hmm might be the sample being played back? well try this go
> > into preset edit mode and press button 4 again for amp then turn the
> > knob a few times and mess with  or at least check out the decay
> > sustain andd release settings for all for layers and LA might 
> help...
> > 
> > let me know what happens
> > 
> > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> > <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > well thanks a lot - that did help get the volume level I was 
> looking 
> > > for - But I still need to be able to "sustain" a note at a given 
> > > velocity for a given time ...
> > > 
> > >  --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "malik" <malik_martin@h...> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > why dont you hit the preset edit button then press track buttn 
> 4 to
> > > > put amp on the 4 layers?
> > > > 
> > > > --- In xl7@yahoogroups.com, "lifeistheformofenergy"
> > > > <lifeistheformofenergy@y...> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I should have been more specific with what I am using - I 
> want 
> > > learn 
> > > > > how to sequence these basslines on my xl 7 - (no other roms) 
> and 
> > > mean 
> > > > > while external gear will utilized as well but I just want to 
> > > know what 
> > > > > parameters I need to change because the knobs in quick edit 
> > > don't do 
> > > > > enough of what I am trying to do - like amp release up (amp 
> vel 
> > > up as 
> > > > > well - to get it as loud as I can) sustain up and delay all 
> the 
> > > way up 
> > > > > as well - I was under the impression that I could take a bass 
> > > drum 
> > > > > sound like kick 2 and tweak it so that instead of its quick 
> > > attack and  
> > > > > quick release that happens over only around one or two eight 
> > > notes at 
> > > > > most, instead I could tweak its parameters so that it's note 
> on 
> > > value 
> > > > > endures at around the same velocity curve (or the same 
> velocity 
> > > would 
> > > > > be great too) through out a whole couple of 4 bars or what 
> ever 
> > > I tell 
> > > > > it to depending on the values it would be assigned to - what 
> I 
> > > am 
> > > > > wondering is if that would be sysEx information I need to 
> change 
> > > (which 
> > > > > is what I was assuming - as apposed to just altering the ADSR 
> > > envelopes 
> > > > > and LFO ) - and if so could someone please help me out 
> changing 
> > > the 
> > > > > sysEx information so I know how to do it in the future - 
> please 
> > > please 
> > > > > please -