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Hi all,

This is to the AU members.

where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth, I have 
been using Precision Australia, but this latest batch has had about 10 
PCB's with shorts (most were on 1 pin that was easy to get to, but one 
has a couple of shorts on the +5V rail :(

I used to use Jemal, but they do not like doing 10 thou track and gap :(

I need someone reliable and able to do fine etches as I do not like the 
price for 4 layer (well I do not care, but customers do ;), so I tend to 
squeeze it all on 2 layer (things like M128's, 2x Max232's,74vhc08 and 
SD card all on a PCB 3" x 2").

Regards,

Kat.


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Look in the back pages of Electronic Design. There are usually about 6 PCB 
houses advertising in there. I use PCB123 for layout. They also have a board 
shop. Protos tend to always be pricey but they do excellent work with fast 
turn.
I'm finishing a proto project. The boards are about 2" x 3.5", 4 layer. Four 
protos cost a tad under $75 each. No shorts or missing traces. Plated thru 
holes.
D
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From: "Kathy Quinlan" <kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:00 AM
Subject: [AVR-Chat] ARRGGGHHHHH PCB's


> Hi all,
>
> This is to the AU members.
>
> where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth, I have
> been using Precision Australia, but this latest batch has had about 10
> PCB's with shorts (most were on 1 pin that was easy to get to, but one
> has a couple of shorts on the +5V rail :(
>
> I used to use Jemal, but they do not like doing 10 thou track and gap :(
>
> I need someone reliable and able to do fine etches as I do not like the
> price for 4 layer (well I do not care, but customers do ;), so I tend to
> squeeze it all on 2 layer (things like M128's, 2x Max232's,74vhc08 and
> SD card all on a PCB 3" x 2").
>
> Regards,
>
> Kat.
>
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At 02:00 AM 4/09/2005, you wrote:
>where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth,

I use BEC in Qld. I have been using them for about 10 years.
Occasionally they mess up and they have redone the boards at
no cost, I think it only has happened twice. They are fairly
good but I have heard unhappy people too.

You may have seen in my previous email that they will be at
the Austronics show in Homebush....their stand will feature
a top of the range MMS :-)

 From one of their email.

BEC Manufacturing
7 Walter Crescent, LAWNTON, Queensland 4501
PO Box 5282, Brendale, QLD, 4500

BEC Rapid, Reliable, Responsive.
Excellence in the manufacture of Printed Circuit Boards.
t: +61 7 3881 1321
f: +61 7 3205 5879
m: 0422 868 697
e: matthew@becman.com
w: http:\\www.becman.com



Regards

John Samperi

******************************************************
                         Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
   11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
          Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
                Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
                  Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
******************************************************

Kathy Quinlan wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is to the AU members.
> 
> where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth, I have 
> been using Precision Australia, but this latest batch has had about 10 
> PCB's with shorts (most were on 1 pin that was easy to get to, but one 
> has a couple of shorts on the +5V rail :(
> 
> I used to use Jemal, but they do not like doing 10 thou track and gap :(
> 
> I need someone reliable and able to do fine etches as I do not like the 
> price for 4 layer (well I do not care, but customers do ;), so I tend to 
> squeeze it all on 2 layer (things like M128's, 2x Max232's,74vhc08 and 
> SD card all on a PCB 3" x 2").
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kat.

http://www.melbpc.com.au/

They only do 1 or 2 layer, but 10 thou is done easily IME.

John Samperi wrote:
>>where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth,

> I use BEC in Qld. I have been using them for about 10 years.
> Occasionally they mess up and they have redone the boards at
> no cost, I think it only has happened twice. They are fairly
> good but I have heard unhappy people too.

BEC = shite!  Yeah, quote me on that. I've done a lot of business with 
them in the last 4 years too, so I'm speaking from experience. If BEC 
want to complain about that, then first let them reply to my recently 
emailed, and unanswered complaints.

They have stuffed up too many times. if it's not badly etched boards 
(shorts, opens ..), it's badly routed panels. They redid one proto 
panel for me a while ago, but, they didn't even get back to me when 
they stuffed up my most recent prototype panel.

I get all my production boards from these professional people in 
Queanbeyan :

   http://www.lintek.com.au/

If you factor Lintek's 100% tested PCBs (BEC charge extra) they have 
actually worked out cheaper than BEC. And I'll never recover the 
ill-will BEC generated among my customers after we shipped some kits 
(DIY kits are a part of our business) that had PCBs where maybe 10% 
had faults.

   BEC = Rapid, Reliable, Responsive.

   Nah, BEC = Rabid, un-Reliable, un-Responsive


BTW, I just realised that Austronics 2005 will be at HOMEBUSH not at 
Darling Harbour as in previous years.

And, as I'm making complaints, I'll include professional tag line ...


Peter Gargano
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Russell Shaw wrote:
> Kathy Quinlan wrote:

>>I need someone reliable and able to do fine etches as I do not like the 
>>price for 4 layer (well I do not care, but customers do ;), so I tend to 
>>squeeze it all on 2 layer (things like M128's, 2x Max232's,74vhc08 and 
>>SD card all on a PCB 3" x 2").

Just as an aside.  This works almost all of the time but the thing to be wary of 
  that is making this more difficult is that as geometries shrink the edge rates 
are climbing. The part number of the chip may remain the same.

While the CPU might be running at a low clock speed, the rise time of the edges 
has fallen dramatically. This means that switching transitions may cause tracks 
to radiate where they may not have before. This in turn means grief when trying 
to meet EMC specs. While you may not be interested in actually doing the trip to 
the lab the bottom line is that if the gear can't meet the spec then it is also 
liable to intermittently failure in the field due to susceptability issues i.e. 
if tracks are radiating then there are also likely to be tracks that are making 
good receiver antennae.

Series resistance, filtering & ground planes are the obvious things that can 
help. In the case of the groundplane, on a two sided PCB the active layers are 
widely separated by the core & so the effect of the groundplane is greatly 
reduced, this is not the case where on a 4 layer board where the signal layer is 
far closer to one of the power planes.

This relates to the other current discussion re insurance, a 4 layer PCB is 
better insurance and could also be construed to better in terms of "Best 
Practice" if defending a product failure.

A few board houses in Aus are doing 4 layer proto's at a reasonable price, BEC 
is one that we have used. Peninsular and Entech are others but I haven't used 
them personally.

Having said that, I sympathise, sometimes the budget simply won't carry it. 
Lately I am looking more carefully at whether I can comfortably carry the 
resultant risk if required to cut corners as when it turns to doodoo the finger 
won't be pointing at the Clients purchasing officer.

Cheers

Don

> 
> If you factor Lintek's 100% tested PCBs (BEC charge extra) they have 
> actually worked out cheaper than BEC. And I'll never recover the 
> ill-will BEC generated among my customers after we shipped some kits 
> (DIY kits are a part of our business) that had PCBs where maybe 10% 
> had faults.

Do Lintek have a proto service?

> BTW, I just realised that Austronics 2005 will be at HOMEBUSH not at 
> Darling Harbour as in previous years.
> 

Yeah :-(  After 10 years of doing the Darling Harbour / Jeff's shed circuit this 
is the first year that I have booked the family to go as well so that the kids 
can wander about all the stuff at Darling Harbour. Now I have to stay out in the 
boonies at Homebush.  Not happy Jan...

Cheers

Don

At 12:13 PM 4/09/2005, you wrote:
>BEC = shite!  Yeah, quote me on that.

As I said I have heard people complain :-) but I'm quite happy to use them
as the error percentage is quite small. I only do a couple of hundred board
a year with different designs. That's the main attraction for me, I can
have multiple designs on the same panel, so I can have kits of PCB done
for the cost of one setup cost instead of 2 or 3. And of course I'm the
QC for the finished products not the DYI person.

>BTW, I just realised that Austronics 2005 will be at HOMEBUSH not at
>Darling Harbour as in previous years.

Yep, just down the road for me :-)


Regards

John Samperi

******************************************************
                         Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
   11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
          Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
                Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
                  Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
******************************************************

At 12:32 PM 4/09/2005, you wrote:
>Yeah :-(  After 10 years of doing the Darling Harbour / Jeff's shed 
>circuit this
>is the first year that I have booked the family to go as well so 
>that the kids
>can wander about all the stuff at Darling Harbour. Now I have to 
>stay out in the
>boonies at Homebush.  Not happy Jan...

Just think of the thrill of being at the Olympic site :-)
There is plenty of room for the kids to run around and
if you are lucky you may lose one or 2 in the bushes :-D

Plenty of fresh air too. There is a ferry service from
Homebush to DH. I don't know how frequent they are but
it would be a nice ride for the kids and it should only
take less than half an hour. The ferry is quite a distance
from the IBIS so I hope you have a car. There seems to be
plenty of car park near the ferry terminal.

Regards

John Samperi

******************************************************
                         Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
   11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
          Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
                Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
                  Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
******************************************************

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Russell Shaw" <rjshaw@netspace.net.au>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ARRGGGHHHHH PCB's


> Kathy Quinlan wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is to the AU members.
>>
>> where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth, I have
>> been using Precision Australia, but this latest batch has had about 10
>> PCB's with shorts (most were on 1 pin that was easy to get to, but one
>> has a couple of shorts on the +5V rail :(

http://www.custompcb.com/

They are in Malasia. I've used them from the UK, but they are much closer to 
you. Excellent service and quality, and the prices are very reasonable.

Leon



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On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 13:53 +1000, John Samperi wrote:

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>   
   Ok, guys.  For this here ignorant `Murkin, what the *&^(*&^ does
"Pty." stand for?  Is this an Australian equivalent of the British
'Ltd.?"

Tom

Thomas Keller wrote:
> 
>    Ok, guys.  For this here ignorant `Murkin, what the *&^(*&^ does
> "Pty." stand for?  Is this an Australian equivalent of the British
> 'Ltd.?"

Risky getting into comparisons where law is involved ...

http://www.australia-migration.com/page/Companies_what_is_a_company/137
http://www.aussielegal.com.au/informationoutline~nocache~1~SubTopicDetailsID~770.htm

Peter




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At 09:19 AM 5/09/2005, you wrote:
>"Pty." stand for?  Is this an Australian equivalent of the British
>'Ltd.?"
Pty Ltd=Proprietary Limited

Regards

John Samperi

******************************************************
                         Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
   11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
          Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
                Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
                  Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
******************************************************

If anyone can recommend any more low-cost PCboard house in the US, I 
would be grateful.
My old standby, Advanced Circuits, has now dropped their slow-turn proto 
service,
which was the best buy for 50-100 double sided .  I'm not looking 
forward to
trying out unknown new houses.

Ken Holt

Dennis wrote:

>Look in the back pages of Electronic Design. There are usually about 6 PCB 
>houses advertising in there. I use PCB123 for layout. They also have a board 
>shop. Protos tend to always be pricey but they do excellent work with fast 
>turn.
>I'm finishing a proto project. The boards are about 2" x 3.5", 4 layer. Four 
>protos cost a tad under $75 each. No shorts or missing traces. Plated thru 
>holes.
>D
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Kathy Quinlan" <kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org>
>To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:00 AM
>Subject: [AVR-Chat] ARRGGGHHHHH PCB's
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>>Hi all,
>>
>>This is to the AU members.
>>
>>where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth, I have
>>been using Precision Australia, but this latest batch has had about 10
>>PCB's with shorts (most were on 1 pin that was easy to get to, but one
>>has a couple of shorts on the +5V rail :(
>>
>>I used to use Jemal, but they do not like doing 10 thou track and gap :(
>>
>>I need someone reliable and able to do fine etches as I do not like the
>>price for 4 layer (well I do not care, but customers do ;), so I tend to
>>squeeze it all on 2 layer (things like M128's, 2x Max232's,74vhc08 and
>>SD card all on a PCB 3" x 2").
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Kat.
>>
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>>IM: Yahoo: PinkyDwaggy  MSN: katinka@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org
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Has anyone had any contact with SIPAD (or similar) PCB's at all yet. From the 
proto PCB angle it looks like a great process for small runs, good shelf life 
too. Midwest PCB in the US pricing doesn't seem too brutal but is a bit too far 
away. Looking for somewhere in Oz or SE Asia.

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Cheers

Don

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From: "Thomas Keller" <tkeller1@neb.rr.com>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ARRGGGHHHHH PCB's


> On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 13:53 +1000, John Samperi wrote:
> 
>> ******************************************************
>>   
>   Ok, guys.  For this here ignorant `Murkin, what the *&^(*&^ does
> "Pty." stand for?  Is this an Australian equivalent of the British
> 'Ltd.?"

It's 'Proprietary'. Same as Limited, meaning Limited Liability.

Leon



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On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 09:34 +1000, Peter Gargano wrote:
> Thomas Keller wrote:
> >    Ok, guys.  For this here ignorant `Murkin, what the *&^(*&^ does
> > "Pty." stand for?  Is this an Australian equivalent of the British
> > 'Ltd.?"
> Risky getting into comparisons where law is involved ...

  Good point.  I was just curious as tot he actual words represented,
really.  I am not at this time doing any business with anyone in
Australia, though I may be in the near future.  I doubt the meaning of
'Pty" will have any impact on my business transactions, since they'll be
restricted to purchasing off-the-shelf products for cash payment.
*grin*

  Actually, vis-a-vis that, What can any of our Australian compatriots
tell me about FutureLEC?  They are the english language vendors for the
ETT AVR products, and I am considering (once funds become available)
purchasing some from them.  Any positive or negative experiences anyone
thinks I ought to know about?

   My experience wiuth the so far is mixed. On the one hand, they *DID*
finally send me an English language documentation CD for the ETT
development board I purchased via eBay from somone IN Thailand. I don't
know if I had room for complain or not.  The auction SAID there was a
software/documentation CD included, and indeed there was.  They didn';t
happen to mention that the CD contained files exclusively in Thia,
however.  *sad grin*

   In any case, someone pointed FutureLEC out to me, and I emailed them.
It took four emails, over a period of three months, to get a response
from them  Once they responded, they were highly cooperative and even
friendly (and, I should add, very prompt about mailing the CD). 

  I suppose my emails could have gotten lost, to be fair.  I didn't know
until after I received the CD in the mail that they are an Aussie
company.  I was undere the impression that they were in the US or
Canada, for some strange reason.

   For anyone not familair with them, their URL is www.futurelec.com.
They carry a wide range of electronics components and especially
micrcontroller support products, with fairly broad support for AVR in
particular (they also heavily supoport PIC...they know how to cover the
bases).  Their pricing seems to be very reasonable, for the products
they are offering, so I am inclined to do business with them, despite
the higher cost of shipping, and the additional shipping delays
engendered by having to wait for packages to arrive from "Down Under."

Tom

Advanced Circuits always charges a $150 setup/tooling fee
for any production run, regardless of how small.

> Wouldn't that fit a "small production run" quantity or do they just not
> do that quantity any more?
>
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> REB
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> Ken Holt wrote:
>
>>If anyone can recommend any more low-cost PCboard house in the US, I
>>would be grateful.
>>My old standby, Advanced Circuits, has now dropped their slow-turn proto
>>service,
>>which was the best buy for 50-100 double sided .  I'm not looking
>>forward to
>>trying out unknown new houses.
>>
>>Ken Holt
>>
>>Dennis wrote:
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>>>Look in the back pages of Electronic Design. There are usually about 6
>>> PCB
>>>houses advertising in there. I use PCB123 for layout. They also have a
>>> board
>>>shop. Protos tend to always be pricey but they do excellent work with
>>> fast
>>>turn.
>>>I'm finishing a proto project. The boards are about 2" x 3.5", 4 layer.
>>> Four
>>>protos cost a tad under $75 each. No shorts or missing traces. Plated
>>> thru
>>>holes.
>>>D
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Kathy Quinlan" <kat-yahoo@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org>
>>>To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:00 AM
>>>Subject: [AVR-Chat] ARRGGGHHHHH PCB's
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>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>This is to the AU members.
>>>>
>>>>where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth, I have
>>>>been using Precision Australia, but this latest batch has had about 10
>>>>PCB's with shorts (most were on 1 pin that was easy to get to, but one
>>>>has a couple of shorts on the +5V rail :(
>>>>
>>>>I used to use Jemal, but they do not like doing 10 thou track and gap
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>>I need someone reliable and able to do fine etches as I do not like the
>>>>price for 4 layer (well I do not care, but customers do ;), so I tend
>>>> to
>>>>squeeze it all on 2 layer (things like M128's, 2x Max232's,74vhc08 and
>>>>SD card all on a PCB 3" x 2").
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Kat.
>>>>
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>>>>IM: Yahoo: PinkyDwaggy  MSN: katinka@kaqelectronics.dyndns.org
>>>>For Everything Electronics     Phone: 0419 923 731
>>>>---------------------------------------------------------------
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On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 07:28:24AM +0100, Leon Heller wrote:

> http://www.custompcb.com/
> 
> They are in Malasia. I've used them from the UK, but they are much
> closer to you. Excellent service and quality, and the prices are
> very reasonable.

Sounds good, but I sent e-mail to their contact address along with
specifics for a 4-layer board asking for a quote, but I have so far
received nothing back by way of a response.  They claim 24 hour
response, but its been about 5 days.  Bummer.

-Brian
-- 
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ATmega128 based MAVRIC controllers
http://www.bdmicro.com/

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Brian Dean" <bsd@bdmicro.com>
To: <AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] ARRGGGHHHHH PCB's


> On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 07:28:24AM +0100, Leon Heller wrote:
>
>> http://www.custompcb.com/
>>
>> They are in Malasia. I've used them from the UK, but they are much
>> closer to you. Excellent service and quality, and the prices are
>> very reasonable.
>
> Sounds good, but I sent e-mail to their contact address along with
> specifics for a 4-layer board asking for a quote, but I have so far
> received nothing back by way of a response.  They claim 24 hour
> response, but its been about 5 days.  Bummer.

They got back to me in a few hours when I asked for a quote. I did send the 
files, which might have concentrated their minds.

Leon
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On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 22:33 -0400, Brian Dean wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 07:28:24AM +0100, Leon Heller wrote:
> > http://www.custompcb.com/
> > They are in Malasia. I've used them from the UK, but they are much
> > closer to you. Excellent service and quality, and the prices are
> > very reasonable.
> Sounds good, but I sent e-mail to their contact address along with
> specifics for a 4-layer board asking for a quote, but I have so far
> received nothing back by way of a response.  They claim 24 hour
> response, but its been about 5 days.  Bummer.

Brian:

   With all due respect, you are aware, I hope, that the email system on
the Internet does NOT guarantee delivery.  indeed. it is the very fact
that it does not guarantee delivery that malkes the adhoc natire of the
email distribution network even possible, on the scale to which it has
grown.

   Were I you, I would assume that your email got lost, and send another
query.

Tom

On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 04:34:27AM +0100, Leon Heller wrote:

> They got back to me in a few hours when I asked for a quote. I did
> send the files, which might have concentrated their minds.

I sent the engineering files as well.  I'll do as Thomas suggested and
send another.

-Brian
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ATmega128 based MAVRIC controllers
http://www.bdmicro.com/

On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 10:10:27AM -0500, Thomas Keller wrote:

>    Were I you, I would assume that your email got lost, and send
> another query.

Good point.  Retrying ...

-Brian
-- 
Brian Dean
ATmega128 based MAVRIC controllers
http://www.bdmicro.com/

We used to use BEC but have given up due to too many failures (mainly 
shorts between tracks/pads). We are currently using a mixture of 
Jemal (Perth), Lintek (Queenbeyan, lintek.com.au) and PCBEZE/Proto 
Circuit Boards (Melbourne, pcbeze.com). If you only want a small 
panel for prototypes, Jemal and pcbeze would be my choice. Lintek are 
better for larger quantities.

Regards,
Les.

On 4 Sep 2005 at 8:22, John Samperi wrote:

> At 02:00 AM 4/09/2005, you wrote:
> >where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth,
> 
> I use BEC in Qld. I have been using them for about 10 years.
> Occasionally they mess up and they have redone the boards at
> no cost, I think it only has happened twice. They are fairly
> good but I have heard unhappy people too.
> 
> You may have seen in my previous email that they will be at
> the Austronics show in Homebush....their stand will feature
> a top of the range MMS :-)
> 
>  From one of their email.
> 
> BEC Manufacturing
> 7 Walter Crescent, LAWNTON, Queensland 4501
> PO Box 5282, Brendale, QLD, 4500
> 
> BEC Rapid, Reliable, Responsive.
> Excellence in the manufacture of Printed Circuit Boards.
> t: +61 7 3881 1321
> f: +61 7 3205 5879
> m: 0422 868 697
> e: matthew@becman.com
> w: http:\\www.becman.com
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> John Samperi
> 
> ******************************************************
>                          Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
>    11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
>           Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
>                 Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
>                   Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
> * Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
> ******************************************************
> 


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Les Grant. VK2KYJ.      Phone: 02 9896 7150 Fax: 02 9896 7153
Grantronics Pty Ltd     Int'l: +612 9896 7150, +612 9896 7153
ABN 46 070 123 643
PO Box 275, Wentworthville. NSW. 2145. Australia.            
http://www.grantronics.com.au  mailto:info@grantronics.com.au
Microcontroller Hardware and Software development:  Atmel AVR
8051 derivatives, 80C196 family, C, ASM, Digital and analogue 
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Australian distributor for:
o ImageCraft AVR, TI and Motorola Windows-hosted C compilers
o ELNEC Device Programmers (E)EPROMs, Flash, Micros, PLDs
o CAN-BUS Hardware and Software from LAWICEL
o Logical Systems Programming, Prototyping & Production Adaptors
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This just in from Advanced Circuits:

"
I wanted to let you know about 2 great specials we are running this month:

PROTO: Get a 1-day expedite at no extra charge when you place your order 
from our online quote matrix.
PRODUCTION: NRE Tooling waived for all new part numbers 1 to 6 layer 
designs.

For details see www.4pcb.com 
<http://www.4pcb.com/printed_circuit_boards_pcb_fabrication_offers.htm>.
"

Ken


Les Grant wrote:

>We used to use BEC but have given up due to too many failures (mainly 
>shorts between tracks/pads). We are currently using a mixture of 
>Jemal (Perth), Lintek (Queenbeyan, lintek.com.au) and PCBEZE/Proto 
>Circuit Boards (Melbourne, pcbeze.com). If you only want a small 
>panel for prototypes, Jemal and pcbeze would be my choice. Lintek are 
>better for larger quantities.
>
>Regards,
>Les.
>
>On 4 Sep 2005 at 8:22, John Samperi wrote:
>
>  
>
>>At 02:00 AM 4/09/2005, you wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>where can I get QUALITY PCB's done that do not cost the earth,
>>>      
>>>
>>I use BEC in Qld. I have been using them for about 10 years.
>>Occasionally they mess up and they have redone the boards at
>>no cost, I think it only has happened twice. They are fairly
>>good but I have heard unhappy people too.
>>
>>You may have seen in my previous email that they will be at
>>the Austronics show in Homebush....their stand will feature
>>a top of the range MMS :-)
>>
>> From one of their email.
>>
>>BEC Manufacturing
>>7 Walter Crescent, LAWNTON, Queensland 4501
>>PO Box 5282, Brendale, QLD, 4500
>>
>>BEC Rapid, Reliable, Responsive.
>>Excellence in the manufacture of Printed Circuit Boards.
>>t: +61 7 3881 1321
>>f: +61 7 3205 5879
>>m: 0422 868 697
>>e: matthew@becman.com
>>w: http:\\www.becman.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>John Samperi
>>
>>******************************************************
>>                         Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
>>   11 Brokenwood Place Baulkham Hills, NSW 2153 AUSTRALIA
>>          Tel. (02) 9674-6495       Fax (02) 9674-8745
>>                Email: samperi@ampertronics.com.au
>>                  Website  http://www.ampertronics.com.au
>>* Electronic Design   * Custom Products   * Contract Assembly
>>******************************************************
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
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>Les Grant. VK2KYJ.      Phone: 02 9896 7150 Fax: 02 9896 7153
>Grantronics Pty Ltd     Int'l: +612 9896 7150, +612 9896 7153
>ABN 46 070 123 643
>PO Box 275, Wentworthville. NSW. 2145. Australia.            
>http://www.grantronics.com.au  mailto:info@grantronics.com.au
>Microcontroller Hardware and Software development:  Atmel AVR
>8051 derivatives, 80C196 family, C, ASM, Digital and analogue 
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>Australian distributor for:
>o ImageCraft AVR, TI and Motorola Windows-hosted C compilers
>o ELNEC Device Programmers (E)EPROMs, Flash, Micros, PLDs
>o CAN-BUS Hardware and Software from LAWICEL
>o Logical Systems Programming, Prototyping & Production Adaptors
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