Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

hi folks.

i am new in this group eventhough i have had my vz-1 for more than 2 
years now. i never really put time into this machine as a synthie 
since i use it as a midi-controller.

well, things changed and i am seriously looking for some nice bass 
now. and all the sudden i thought: hey, what about that vz-1-synthie 
infront of your nose?? as far as i have tried it you can get some 
nice but shy sounds out of it. but is there a way to actually get 
some real exciting basses out of the vz-1????? i am already at the 
point to get rid of it and by an old micromoog or a juno 60 or 
something in order to keep a master-controll but instead gaining a 
few sounds with it. unless you guys have good reasons not to do 
so??!!!

many thanx in advance,

serifONE

Hi,

well, the VZ-1 is clearly a digital Synth, there are no filters and no knobs so 
you can't compare it to Juno or Moog it's something completely different. 
Soundwise it's rather comparable with DX7&Co, it's a nice and cool digital synth, 
just download the tutorials, books and give yourself time to get into this thing. 
Anyway I don't want to convince you to keep it since it's quite a bit more 
complex than a subtractive synth......

...Summa


On 29 Oct 2003 at 23:14, reiket wrote:

> hi folks.
> 
> i am new in this group eventhough i have had my vz-1 for more than 2
> years now. i never really put time into this machine as a synthie
> since i use it as a midi-controller.
> 
> well, things changed and i am seriously looking for some nice bass
> now. and all the sudden i thought: hey, what about that vz-1-synthie
> infront of your nose?? as far as i have tried it you can get some nice
> but shy sounds out of it. but is there a way to actually get some real
> exciting basses out of the vz-1????? i am already at the point to get
> rid of it and by an old micromoog or a juno 60 or something in order
> to keep a master-controll but instead gaining a few sounds with it.
> unless you guys have good reasons not to do so??!!!
> 
> many thanx in advance,
> 
> serifONE
> 
> 
> 
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>well, things changed and i am seriously looking for some nice bass
>now. and all the sudden i thought: hey, what about that vz-1-synthie
>infront of your nose?? as far as i have tried it you can get some
>nice but shy sounds out of it. but is there a way to actually get
>some real exciting basses out of the vz-1????? i am already at the
>point to get rid of it and by an old micromoog or a juno 60 or
>something in order to keep a master-controll but instead gaining a
>few sounds with it. unless you guys have good reasons not to do
>so??!!!

As an FM (sort of) synth, the VZ can make some great bass sounds, though it 
does take a bit of work to get there.  With the additon of the sawtooth 
waves (which the DX7 and other fm synths lack), it can also produce many 
harsher sounds which somewhat resemble distortion or oscillator sync.  It 
won't have the immediacy of an analog synth, or an analog-style sound, but 
it can make some very nice deep bass sounds which can definately compete 
with analogs.

But you have to be willing to spend time programming it.  If you're looking 
for quick and easy analog bass sounds then don't bother.  And anyway if you 
just want to use it for bass, it's kind of a waste because it can do much, 
much more than that.

Anyway I've heard micromoogs are pretty weak for bass unless they're 
modified slightly.  Due to a design flaw, there's a coupling capacitor 
that's too small and acts as a highpass filter.

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Just a little remark, the DX7 can do a sawtoth waveform but only with the the one 
operator that is having the feedback loop...  

On 30 Oct 2003 at 21:37, Scott Nordlund wrote:

> >well, things changed and i am seriously looking for some nice bass
> >now. and all the sudden i thought: hey, what about that vz-1-synthie
> >infront of your nose?? as far as i have tried it you can get some
> >nice but shy sounds out of it. but is there a way to actually get
> >some real exciting basses out of the vz-1????? i am already at the
> >point to get rid of it and by an old micromoog or a juno 60 or
> >something in order to keep a master-controll but instead gaining a
> >few sounds with it. unless you guys have good reasons not to do
> >so??!!!
> 
> As an FM (sort of) synth, the VZ can make some great bass sounds,
> though it does take a bit of work to get there.  With the additon of
> the sawtooth waves (which the DX7 and other fm synths lack), it can
> also produce many harsher sounds which somewhat resemble distortion or
> oscillator sync.  It won't have the immediacy of an analog synth, or
> an analog-style sound, but it can make some very nice deep bass sounds
> which can definately compete with analogs.
> 
> But you have to be willing to spend time programming it.  If you're
> looking for quick and easy analog bass sounds then don't bother.  And
> anyway if you just want to use it for bass, it's kind of a waste
> because it can do much, much more than that.
> 
> Anyway I've heard micromoogs are pretty weak for bass unless they're
> modified slightly.  Due to a design flaw, there's a coupling capacitor
> that's too small and acts as a highpass filter.
> 
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>Just a little remark, the DX7 can do a sawtoth waveform but only with the 
>the one
>operator that is having the feedback loop...

Yeah, and it pretty good, but you're limited with what you can do with it.  
I was talking about using a saw wave as a carrier for distorted sounds- the 
DX can't do that.

The neat way to make distorted sounds on a DX7 using feedback is using the 
algorithm where the feedback loop includes 3 operators.  That one can sound 
*really* nasty.

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Well, you haven't mentioned carriers in your posting ;) 

Using feedback has the advantage that the amount off harmonics is dependend on 
the Operator level therefore it's working much better for for sweeps than a 
static waveform. 
Another way creating distorted Sounds is using a carrier at fixed frequency 0Hz 
(or a bit more when you want to add a slight "modulation" to the sound) as 
waveshaper, what works for DX7 and VZ as well. On the VZ only as long as you use 
the sine waveform what brings me to the conclusion that saw and noise are no 
"real" "operator" waveforms... ;)


On 31 Oct 2003 at 7:45, Scott Nordlund wrote:

> >Just a little remark, the DX7 can do a sawtoth waveform but only with
> >the the one operator that is having the feedback loop...
> 
> Yeah, and it pretty good, but you're limited with what you can do with
> it.  I was talking about using a saw wave as a carrier for distorted
> sounds- the DX can't do that.
> 
> The neat way to make distorted sounds on a DX7 using feedback is using
> the algorithm where the feedback loop includes 3 operators.  That one
> can sound *really* nasty.
> 
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