Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hi. I Have a RZ-1 Drum machine and I'm realy like of the sound, but now 
I have a problem with your little memory! The question is: Any knows 
how to do a cable for the Tape Dump?? I NEVER found that strange plug 
or the specs on the web, so I think in any improvisation, but I don't 
know the number of the pins (where's the ground or the positive of 
the "send data" way...) or the right place of then. With some 
information, I do myself the cable and the problems gone! Any answers 
are welcome, please!

Thanks for any help!
P.S.: Anyone see every RZ-1 PLUS ultimaly in some place to sell?? (rs)

Does it look like a MIDI connector? From what I could find on the web, it's 
a DIN plug. Try to lookup a DIN pinout. You should be able to source a DIN 
plug on digikey or mouser.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mikelisest" <allbreth@...> wrote:

>
> Hi. I Have a RZ-1 Drum machine and I'm realy like of the sound, but now 
> I have a problem with your little memory! The question is: Any knows 
> how to do a cable for the Tape Dump?? I NEVER found that strange plug 
> or the specs on the web, so I think in any improvisation, but I don't 
> know the number of the pins (where's the ground or the positive of 
> the "send data" way...) or the right place of then. With some 
> information, I do myself the cable and the problems gone! Any answers 
> are welcome, please!
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> P.S.: Anyone see every RZ-1 PLUS ultimaly in some place to sell?? (rs)
>

Yes, looks like a DIN pinout, but with 3 more pins, in the center, I 
think... I found only the standard DIN. Well, in fact, I want to 
know "how to construct one tape-dump cable for RZ-1", with 
indications of the conection points. Depending of the information, 
the DIN Plug maybe works... But I need of the eletronic tecnical 
information to built this!
Anyway, thanks for the answer.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "maxim_potekhin" <potekhin@...> wrote:
>
> Does it look like a MIDI connector? From what I could find on the 
web, it's 
> a DIN plug. Try to lookup a DIN pinout. You should be able to 
source a DIN 
> plug on digikey or mouser.
> 
> 
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mikelisest" <allbreth@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi. I Have a RZ-1 Drum machine and I'm realy like of the sound, 
but now 
> > I have a problem with your little memory! The question is: Any 
knows 
> > how to do a cable for the Tape Dump?? I NEVER found that strange 
plug 
> > or the specs on the web, so I think in any improvisation, but I 
don't 
> > know the number of the pins (where's the ground or the positive 
of 
> > the "send data" way...) or the right place of then. With some 
> > information, I do myself the cable and the problems gone! Any 
answers 
> > are welcome, please!
> > 
> > Thanks for any help!
> > P.S.: Anyone see every RZ-1 PLUS ultimaly in some place to sell?? 
(rs)
> >
>

If its the same as the CZ-5000 tape-dump cable, I may be able to 
help.  Several years I figured out for someone in this group (if I 
remember correctly) which pin was hooked up to what tape recorder 
jack (play, record, and remote pause--I think).

I will look it up in the archives. If I can't find it, I will dig 
out my CZ-5000 cable. (I am assuiming and hoping Casio only had one 
standard for the tape-dump.)

--Steve


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mikelisest" <allbreth@...> wrote:
>
> Hi. I Have a RZ-1 Drum machine and I'm realy like of the sound, 
but now 
> I have a problem with your little memory! The question is: Any 
knows 
> how to do a cable for the Tape Dump?? I NEVER found that strange 
plug 
> or the specs on the web, so I think in any improvisation, but I 
don't 
> know the number of the pins (where's the ground or the positive of 
> the "send data" way...) or the right place of then. With some 
> information, I do myself the cable and the problems gone! Any 
answers 
> are welcome, please!
> 
> Thanks for any help!
> P.S.: Anyone see every RZ-1 PLUS ultimaly in some place to sell?? 
(rs)
>

The MT I/O cable I have (I think its the right one) is a DIN plug with 
8 pins arranged as follows:

(1) 7 pins arranged in a circle [if you imagine an 8th pin completing 
the circle in line with the alignment notch] with the 8th pin a little 
off center [towards the notch] from the actual center.

OR

(2) like a smiley face with two pins as eyes, one as a nose and 5 as 
the mouth

There are three small phone plugs
(1) black = play
(2) red = record
(3) white = pause

(1) and (2) are standard [I think] cassette tape recorder audio I/O 
plugs. (3)is standard remote pause plug.

BTW, I did an experiement a few years ago recording and playing back 
the audio into a wav file [on the CZ-5000].  It worked. But sysex 
makes so much more sense to use.  

I would recommend sysex dumps for the RZ as well. Is there some reason 
why you couldn't use sysex dumps?

--Steve



 
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mikelisest" <allbreth@...> wrote:

>
> Yes, looks like a DIN pinout, but with 3 more pins, in the center, I 
> think... I found only the standard DIN. Well, in fact, I want to 
> know "how to construct one tape-dump cable for RZ-1", with 
> indications of the conection points. Depending of the information, 
> the DIN Plug maybe works... But I need of the eletronic tecnical 
> information to built this!
> Anyway, thanks for the answer.
> 
>

WOW. Finding it in the archives was easier than I thought!!!!  Check 
out:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/message/1845

--Steve

BTW, The MIDI System Exclusive Book (DeFuria & Scacciaferro) has the 
sysex formats for the RZ-1 dumps (sampled sound and rhythm). If you 
need them, just say so.

1) If Sysx really works for sounds on the RZ-1, of course it should be 
used instead of tape.

2) If the pinout of the DIN plug is known, I personally would intstall a 
minijack or two in the back, and just use that intstead. That should be 
easy. Minimal soldering.

3) People have compressed the WAV files containing patches into MP3 
in the past, and it worked. If you go ahead with the project, you could 
do same. Of course nobody uses tapes these days, everybody records 
to the computer.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-
mail@...> wrote:

>
> WOW. Finding it in the archives was easier than I thought!!!!  Check 
> out:
> 
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth/message/1845
> 
> --Steve
>

Thanks for the information, Steve! Why I don´t use sysex dumps? I 
explain: 
1. I don't know how to work with sysex, because I don't have any 
contact (yet) with the right PC programs. I don't have any MIDI 
experience yet... just because:
2. I don't have a computer (PC or Mac)yet! In fact, our band recently 
buy a synth with lots of midi comands. Not is a CZ synth 
(sorry...!)... It's a Roland D50. Here, in my country, it's too hard 
found one CZ synth, even on the net! I found on e-bay, but nobody 
ship out of the Europe or USA... Well, the tapes, for us, still are 
one easy (and cheap!) way to protect our musics and continue to use 
the internal memory of the RZ-1...
Another thing: I don't found here the DIN with 8 pins! It's a alien 
thing in this place!(hehe)

I promisse, when I buy a PC, I gonna use your MIDI conections and 
programs to edit sound and store data, ok? If you give me a hand...

Great! Many many thanks for all the help and advices. I hope give 
some information to help someone too...( And sorry for the wrong 
english gramatic, ok?...)

Michael.


--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "steve_the_composer" <smw-mail@...> 
wrote:
>
> The MT I/O cable I have (I think its the right one) is a DIN plug 
with 
> 8 pins arranged as follows:
> 
> (1) 7 pins arranged in a circle [if you imagine an 8th pin 
completing 
> the circle in line with the alignment notch] with the 8th pin a 
little 
> off center [towards the notch] from the actual center.
> 
> OR
> 
> (2) like a smiley face with two pins as eyes, one as a nose and 5 
as 
> the mouth
> 
> There are three small phone plugs
> (1) black = play
> (2) red = record
> (3) white = pause
> 
> (1) and (2) are standard [I think] cassette tape recorder audio I/O 
> plugs. (3)is standard remote pause plug.
> 
> BTW, I did an experiement a few years ago recording and playing 
back 
> the audio into a wav file [on the CZ-5000].  It worked. But sysex 
> makes so much more sense to use.  
> 
> I would recommend sysex dumps for the RZ as well. Is there some 
reason 
> why you couldn't use sysex dumps?
> 
> --Steve
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "mikelisest" <allbreth@> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, looks like a DIN pinout, but with 3 more pins, in the 
center, I 
> > think... I found only the standard DIN. Well, in fact, I want to 
> > know "how to construct one tape-dump cable for RZ-1", with 
> > indications of the conection points. Depending of the 
information, 

> > the DIN Plug maybe works... But I need of the eletronic tecnical 
> > information to built this!
> > Anyway, thanks for the answer.
> > 
> >
>

Hello everybody:

Excuse me for my first-level question, but I'd like to know how to
receive/send sysex dumps between my CZ-5000 and my computer, by using Midiox
program.

I would like to make backups of my sounds (all 32 sounds in one sysex file
would be ok, I don't need to send/receive one single sound). I only want
this storage function, not editing the sound from the computer.

I have done usually the same operation with Midiox and other synths I've
got, but I don't know how to make the CZ to start dumping or start
receiving.

Thank you for your help and goodbye from Barcelona (Spain)

Alfons

I have knowledge of CZ sysex commands and I am familiar with midi-ox, 
but I don't really use it.

Casio CZ sysex is a little odd, because Casio screwed up with the 
handshaking.  The best thing you can do is get ahold of the Casio CZ 
sysex guide dated Nov. 1985.  It is an extremely easy-to-understand 
guide.  I belive I have seen a scannned pdf of it floating around the 
internet--possibly in the files section here.

Also, check out the archives here. Perhaps a search of F0 44 will 
turn up some posts on the subject.

You will have to program midi-ox to dump patches individually, but 
you can save the banks in a single sysex file.  Ther may also be some 
CZ patch librarians available that might be easier than programmming 
midi-ox. 

Basically, CZ sysex commands come in two types:
(1) Send Request
(2) Receive Request

The CZ dump protocol uses some handshaking with the use of 
acknowledgements, but you can send the request follwed by an ack 
command and the CZ will do its dump.  (This will make more sense once 
you get the Nov 1985 Casio midi guide.)

The sysex header for the CZ patch send request is:
F0 44 00 00 7n 10 dd
where n = channel -1 [00 = channel 1]
and dd = patch number

The sysex header for the CZ patch receive request is:
F0 44 00 00 7n 20 dd
where n = channel -1
and dd = patch number 

Notice that the 6th byte tells the CZ what type of request is being 
made. Here's a partial list of request types where the manufacturer's 
ID/model is 44 00 00:

10 = send request - CZ-5000 format - patch
20 = receive request - CZ-5000 format - patch
14 = send request - CZ-5000 format - sequencer
24 = receive request - CZ-5000 format - sequencer

For the RZ-1 the ID/model is 44 01 00 and the request commands are as 
follows:
10 = send request - sample
20 = receive request - sample
14 = send request - rhythm
24 = receive request - rhythm






--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "Alfons Martinez" <alfons-
martinez@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Hello everybody:
> 
> Excuse me for my first-level question, but I'd like to know how to
> receive/send sysex dumps between my CZ-5000 and my computer, by 
using Midiox
> program.
> 
> I would like to make backups of my sounds (all 32 sounds in one 
sysex file
> would be ok, I don't need to send/receive one single sound). I only 
want
> this storage function, not editing the sound from the computer.
> 
> I have done usually the same operation with Midiox and other synths 
I've

> got, but I don't know how to make the CZ to start dumping or start
> receiving.
> 
> Thank you for your help and goodbye from Barcelona (Spain)
> 
> Alfons
>