Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

I have played what seems to be every minimoog VA,
demo'd most of the modern hardare virtual
analogs, tried every thing that claims to sound
like a mini and everyone I turn off, shut down,
delete off my computer.

Nothing, I mean nothing in my opinion nails the
MINIMOOG like the casio cz.  WHY IN THE WORLD IS
THIS?  I don't care if the dco's/DCF's DCA's/
were not modeled on the the original like every
other crappy moog VA manufacture says.  It is
unexplainable-but I know what my ears want-and
when I make a moog bass on the cz, I'm there. 
No, it is NO minimoog but it gives you a MINI
feeling-bubbling with personality.

I'm wondering if anyone has studied the waveforms
of the CZ and the resulting frequencies-an
anaylsis I would like to do is to figure out what
makes the casio cz sound so organic, less
digital, could i say-more analog?  

I'm honing my abilites crafting mini's basses.  I
usally use three tracks of casio cz layered
together and eq'd a bit.  I'm very pleased with
the results.  

I've read that the original casio team modeled
the cz on the moog but I've always wanted to
dismiss that as mere legend.  Yet, I always keep
coming back to it.

micah

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Hi Micah,


well, get the real thing an you'll recognize that their is a big 
difference, especially when using more than one oscillator at once 
and driving the filter into saturation, the Casio will fail to sound 
like a moog, since it isn't able to create the additional overtones 
and texture needed... 
Anyway most VAs don't sound quite moog alike too...

...Summa


On 29 May 2007 at 14:27, M.J.B. wrote:

> I have played what seems to be every minimoog VA,
> demo'd most of the modern hardare virtual
> analogs, tried every thing that claims to sound
> like a mini and everyone I turn off, shut down,
> delete off my computer.
> 
> Nothing, I mean nothing in my opinion nails the
> MINIMOOG like the casio cz.  WHY IN THE WORLD IS
> THIS?  I don't care if the dco's/DCF's DCA's/
> were not modeled on the the original like every
> other crappy moog VA manufacture says.  It is
> unexplainable-but I know what my ears want-and
> when I make a moog bass on the cz, I'm there. 
> No, it is NO minimoog but it gives you a MINI
> feeling-bubbling with personality.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has studied the waveforms
> of the CZ and the resulting frequencies-an
> anaylsis I would like to do is to figure out what
> makes the casio cz sound so organic, less
> digital, could i say-more analog?  
> 
> I'm honing my abilites crafting mini's basses.  I
> usally use three tracks of casio cz layered
> together and eq'd a bit.  I'm very pleased with
> the results.  
> 
> I've read that the original casio team modeled
> the cz on the moog but I've always wanted to
> dismiss that as mere legend.  Yet, I always keep
> coming back to it.
> 
> micah
> 
> y[]a[]z[]z[]o[]f[]e[]v[]e[]r[]

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Hi Micah,
    I own a Moog Source (the supposed Minimoog  replacement) and a CZ-1 and I 
can see where your coming from. The CZ can sound  Moog(ish) but once you've 
warmed up the Moog it has far more depth of  character than the CZ mainly 
because its analogue and the classic Moog VCF.  Saying that, the CZ can produce 
staggering solo lead sounds which sound more  like an analogue synth than a lot 
of other digi synths. Probably due  to the CZ's analogue type user interface / 
OS. If anything it sounds more  Arp than Moog. I don't know what CZ model you 
have but the CZ-1 with it's  velocity / aftertouch features help the sound 
nuances when performing solo lead  sounds. I must admit I have Moog Modular V (VA 
software synth) and think its  awefully close to the classic Moog sound, 
without any VCO drifting.  Anyhow, the CZ is certainly able to hold its ground 
against a lot of  analogue, digi and softsynths.
 
Midcomsys.  



   


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I definitely know what he means...

Just check that article !
http://www.madtheory.com/CZ%20article/CZ%20article.htm
 
 

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I've read that the original casio team modeled
> the cz on the moog but I've always wanted to
> dismiss that as mere legend. Yet, I always keep
> coming back to it.
>
> micah


I read it too :P

but i think  my CZ 5000 sounds more like a prophet :)



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2007/5/29, M.J.B. <yazzofever@yahoo.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have played what seems to be every minimoog VA,
> demo'd most of the modern hardare virtual
> analogs, tried every thing that claims to sound
> like a mini and everyone I turn off, shut down,
> delete off my computer.
>
> Nothing, I mean nothing in my opinion nails the
> MINIMOOG like the casio cz. WHY IN THE WORLD IS
> THIS? I don't care if the dco's/DCF's DCA's/
> were not modeled on the the original like every
> other crappy moog VA manufacture says. It is
> unexplainable-but I know what my ears want-and
> when I make a moog bass on the cz, I'm there.
> No, it is NO minimoog but it gives you a MINI
> feeling-bubbling with personality.
>
> I'm wondering if anyone has studied the waveforms
> of the CZ and the resulting frequencies-an
> anaylsis I would like to do is to figure out what
> makes the casio cz sound so organic, less
> digital, could i say-more analog?
>
> I'm honing my abilites crafting mini's basses. I
> usally use three tracks of casio cz layered
> together and eq'd a bit. I'm very pleased with
> the results.
>
> I've read that the original casio team modeled
> the cz on the moog but I've always wanted to
> dismiss that as mere legend. Yet, I always keep
> coming back to it.
>
> micah
>
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>
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Well, the waveform isn't that important to the sound of the 
subtractive synth, since it contains phase informations that hardly 
matters to our ears, so the spectral content would a better base for 
a wavefom comparison, even a simple and hardly audible lowcut in the 
audio path can change the look of the waveform dramaticly. 
Still it's rather the filter that is responsible for the character of 
a subtractive synth than the oscillators waveform, ear/brain rather 
recognises formants and its movement than small variations in 
harmonics. 


...Summa


On 30 May 2007 at 7:40, popman wrote:

> I definitely know what he means...
> 
> Just check that article !
> http://www.madtheory.com/CZ%20article/CZ%20article.htm
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