----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Goemans LL.M.
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: almost working normal....Re: Relay! RE: [CZsynth] CZ-1 Low Volume problem
Thanks zoinky. Reading up on capacitors and op amps, I realize that a 24
year old synth is going to give some problems. Esp capacitors (and I think I
already found a huge bad one near the power unit). Maybe you can tell me, if
I find a bad op amp, it is a chip yes?, do companies still sell them? How do
I recognize a bad op amp...I have some soldering skills and I know how to
recognize bad capacitors..Oh I have a digital multi-meter as well!
Thanks,
Marc
From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
zoinky420
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 2:48 AM
To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com
Subject: almost working normal....Re: Relay! RE: [CZsynth] CZ-1 Low Volume
problem
It doesn't sound like its almost working normal at all, in fact it sounds
like the relay did nothing to change the volume, and I don't see why it
would. I think you got some bad advice there. I'd look for a bad op-amp or
amp chip, or a cap next to an op-amp or amp chip.
--- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"marcgoemans" <beengeleiding@...> wrote:
>
> first off all, I want to thank the two of you for your speedy reply.
> I followed all of your instructions with a big smile.
>
> I ordered a relay (the NTE R40-11D2-5/6 2A 5~6VDC DPDT Security Relay,
unfortunately NOT the one you suggested, but another one suggested here on
the site).
>
> Opened the baby up, put the new relay in. It went pretty well.
>
> I turned the machine on, heard the relay do "click" and noticed that the
sound was somewhat louder but still very low. It is however noticeably
louder. I turned the internal pot meter clockwise and I would almost think
that it is working correctly. So it started to sound even louder. However, I
know that that ain't true.
>
> So, I think the relay is working. Could it be squeezing out the signal? I
am going to buy the relay you suggested, however I am wondering if it is the
relay i bought that is causing the problem...
>
> I turned the internal pot meter (analog volume i think) to full, but it is
still not to normal levels.
>
> Anyone know where to look next?
>
> Again, thank you scituate mass and summa for the speedy reply and the
heartfelt tips!
>
> sincerely,
>
> Marc
>
> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"scituate_mass" <sneakyflute@> wrote:
> >
> > Crackling Noise and Low Output Problem:
> > It seems that the problem is stemming from a bad relay on the output
board (like Summa pointed out). the relay is built in to prevent clicking
while the system is coming up, and can probably be bypassed. The relay in
the CZ is an Omron G2VN 237PL 5VDC. Omron doesn't make this anymore, but
there is a suitable replacement (G5V-2-DC5). You can buy it at Mouser.com or
Digikey etc.
http://parts.digikey.com/1/parts/756919-relay-dpdt-2a-5v-50-ohm-coil-g5v-2-d
c5.html. No need to pay a tech for this repair job - it's a very easy fix -
find a friend who can solder if you can't do it yourself (or use this as a
chance to get your feet wet).
> >
> > Removing the CZ-1 cover (maybe obvious, but why not...):
> > While I'm at it, just a note on how to remove the cover (there are a lot
of screws and it took me a few guesses to figure out which to remove (yeah,
I'm an idiot). First remove the 3 screws on the bottom sides of the CZ-1
(actually, one of these screws on each side is on the back since the piece
is L shaped). Then just remove the Four screws on the ledge under the Casio
logo on the back. The top piece will then just lift off.
> >
> > --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> , Marc
Goemans LL.M. <beengeleiding@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Relay
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I did more research on your suggestion of checking the relay. Grabbed
the
> > > service manual for the cz-1 and on page 48 it describes what you are
> > > referring to and what I also think is the matter. I have NOT opened
the CZ-1
> > > up, yet..
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > > I have the feeling it is tad old or malfunctioning.
> > >
> > > How can I fix it without opening...
> > >
> > > If I have to change the relay, does anyone know where to find that
part?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you again for your time!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
> > > Summa
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:57 PM
> > > To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com <mailto:CZsynth%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [CZsynth] CZ-1 Low Volume problem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'd recommend to check the relay that is grounding the outputs as
> > > speaker protection until the synth is up and running.
> > > You should find quite some additional infos using the search function
> > > of this group...
> > >
> > > ...Summa
> > >
> > > On 7 Oct 2010 at 21:09, marcgoemans wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone.
> > > > I just bought my first cz-1. And already ran up a brick wall...
> > > > yesterday the volume produced by the cz-1 was low (compared to other
> > > > gear). But today it is almost inaudible. I have to crank up the
> > > > volume or the gains on my mixer to maximum to hear something. I am
> > > > unsure where the problem lies, midi, blown up line out?
> > > > It doesn't matter if i change patches, slide the volume up and down
> > > > or even make a new patch....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please help!
> > > >
> > > > yours sincerely
> > > >
> > > > Marc Goemans
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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