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2002-03-13 by artistirossetti
Hello. As you might know, I'm a rather happy owner of the Casio CZ-3000. I was thinking of buying a VZ-1, as well, but I'd like to know if I really need it - do they sound pretty much he same or can either do things that the other can't? How do they do head to head? Any suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks, Saso.
2002-03-14 by Furman, Jon W.
They don't sound the same at all. Practically speaking they're like night and day different. The VZ is much much more like a powerful FM synth where the CZ is more like an analog (sound and structure wise). Jon
-----Original Message----- From: artistirossetti [SMTP:sartre@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:22 AM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] Casio CZ v Casio VZ Hello. As you might know, I'm a rather happy owner of the Casio CZ-3000. I was thinking of buying a VZ-1, as well, but I'd like to know if I really need it - do they sound pretty much he same or can either do things that the other can't? How do they do head to head? Any suggestions would be very helpful. Thanks, Saso. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170503214 4:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016071422%3 eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1 <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050321 44:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016071422% 3eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1> http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmail /S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=248205368 <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=248205368> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
2002-03-14 by artistirossetti
An FM synth? That's interesting... Does it sound like Yamaha's DX- series, or does it really have a sound of its own? And as I understand, the CZ-series is quite unique sound wise...by the way, which one is better for drum and percussion sounds, the CZ or the VZ? Would it be a good idea to replace my CZ-3000 with the CZ-1 which I'd use as a MIDI controller, as well? Regards, Saso. --- In CZsynth@y..., "Furman, Jon W." <jfurman@t...> wrote: > They don't sound the same at all. Practically speaking they're like night > and day different. The VZ is much much more like a powerful FM synth where
> the CZ is more like an analog (sound and structure wise). > > Jon >
2002-03-14 by Maxim Potekhin
By the way I'm thinking of selling my VZ-8m in good shape. I kinda like it but simply don't have the time to program it due to other gear committments (have a very large studio). Offers are welcome. Maxim
2002-03-14 by Furman, Jon W.
Hummmm maybe I'm not remembering this right but didn't we talk you out of this once before a while back? I'm pretty sure that we talked someone out of dumping their 8m many moons ago.... Jon
-----Original Message----- From: Maxim Potekhin [SMTP:maxim.potekhin@...] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:11 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio CZ v Casio VZ By the way I'm thinking of selling my VZ-8m in good shape. I kinda like it but simply don't have the time to program it due to other gear committments (have a very large studio). Offers are welcome. Maxim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170503214 4:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016140240%3 eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1 <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050321 44:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016140240% 3eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1> http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmail /S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=580323989 <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=580323989> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
2002-03-14 by Maxim Potekhin
"Furman, Jon W." wrote: > > Hummmm maybe I'm not remembering this right but didn't we talk you out of > this once before a while back? I suppose you did! Just keeping you on your toes, hehe :)))) > I'm pretty sure that we talked someone out of > dumping their 8m many moons ago.... I donno what to do. I really don't have time to utilize it. It looks kinda cool, too, but my rack full... I only barely scratched the surface of the CZ-101, and I still have the starter kit, patches and all, that wait to be explored. Just don't have time for everything. When my Audity 2000 is finally repaired, I shall have even less time. And I have 7 analogues, too... Go figure... Maxim
2002-03-14 by Furman, Jon W.
Yeah it can sound a lot like a DX but it's a little different and in some ways more flexible. Some people think of the VZ as a warm sounding DX (mostly because of the sawtooth waves on the VZ). Your impressions may vary. As for drum and percussion sounds the only really good ones that I ever got out of either the CZ or VZ were African woodblock sounding things. And this seemed easier to get to on the CZ. I've gotten some killer whining droning groans out of the VZ though. The CZ-1 is all around the best CZ synth wise and controller wise. There are a few caveats though if you intend to use the CZ1 as your primary controller. You have to hit the keyboard pretty hard to get high velocity and aftertouch readings out of it. I mean you really have to bang on the thing to get a velocity between 120 and 127. No big deal though as there are ways around this. The big trouble is that the local off setting doesn't disconnect the mod wheel (& pitch also I think) from the internal synth engine. This is a pain because if you're doing playback with the CZ-1 and attempting to control another device through the CZ keyboard the CZ will respond to the wheel changes (not the notes though) . There's no work around for that problem that I'm aware of. It's too bad too because apart from that the CZ1 would be a pretty good controller. Jon
-----Original Message----- From: artistirossetti [SMTP:sartre@...] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:07 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: [CZsynth] Re: Casio CZ v Casio VZ An FM synth? That's interesting... Does it sound like Yamaha's DX- series, or does it really have a sound of its own? And as I understand, the CZ-series is quite unique sound wise...by the way, which one is better for drum and percussion sounds, the CZ or the VZ? Would it be a good idea to replace my CZ-3000 with the CZ-1 which I'd use as a MIDI controller, as well? Regards, Saso. --- In CZsynth@y..., "Furman, Jon W." <jfurman@t...> wrote: > They don't sound the same at all. Practically speaking they're like night > and day different. The VZ is much much more like a powerful FM synth where > the CZ is more like an analog (sound and structure wise). > > Jon > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170503214 4:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016140037%3 eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1 <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050321 44:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016140037% 3eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1> http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmail /S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=818335834 <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=818335834> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
2002-03-14 by Furman, Jon W.
Hehehe..thought so!! Well I would keep it if I were you as its small, low value, unobtrusive, only takes up 1 rack space and its presence in your rack is the mark of a truly distinguished synthesist!! If you want I could dig out some of my old VZ patches and pass them your way. Maybe that would respark your interest or even possibly hasten your decision to sell the little guy!
-----Original Message----- From: Maxim Potekhin [SMTP:maxim.potekhin@...] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:24 PM To: CZsynth@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio CZ v Casio VZ "Furman, Jon W." wrote: > > Hummmm maybe I'm not remembering this right but didn't we talk you out of > this once before a while back? I suppose you did! Just keeping you on your toes, hehe :)))) > I'm pretty sure that we talked someone out of > dumping their 8m many moons ago.... I donno what to do. I really don't have time to utilize it. It looks kinda cool, too, but my rack full... I only barely scratched the surface of the CZ-101, and I still have the starter kit, patches and all, that wait to be explored. Just don't have time for everything. When my Audity 2000 is finally repaired, I shall have even less time. And I have 7 analogues, too... Go figure... Maxim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=170503214 4:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016141065%3 eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1 <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050321 44:HM/A=847665/R=0/*http://ads.x10.com/?bHlhaG9vbW9uc3RlcjcuZGF0=1016141065% 3eM=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/R=1> http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmail /S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=132510829 <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=215002.1818248.3328688.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705032144:HM/A=847665/rand=132510829> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: CZsynth-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> .
2002-03-14 by Maxim Potekhin
"Furman, Jon W." wrote: > > If you want I could > dig out some of my old VZ patches and pass them your way. If it's not much hassle, I'd appreciate it. Send it to cold-planet@.... thanks Maxim
2002-03-14 by XPANDER
> Hehehe..thought so!! Well I would keep it if I were you as its small, low > value, unobtrusive, only takes up 1 rack space and its presence in your > rack is the mark of a truly distinguished synthesist!! Well put John ! - heck- I've run out of Midi Ports in my rig- but I can't give up that VZ- so I'm daisy chaining the little rascal off anther Rack unit. > If you want I could > dig out some of my old VZ patches and pass them your way. Maybe that would > respark your interest or even possibly hasten your decision to sell the > little guy! I have a bank of free VZ patches here..... http://users.ev1.net/~xpander/smccfiles.html - and a Demo MP3 file of what the VZ can sound like Todd S. Sierra Madre Cinema Council http://users.ev1.net/~xpander/SMCChome.html
2002-03-14 by Maxim Potekhin
XPANDER wrote: > - heck- I've run out of Midi Ports in my rig- but I can't give up that VZ- > so I'm daisy chaining the little rascal off anther Rack unit. Sure, I chain a lot of modules, too, but what do you use to channel the MIDI data back in, if you want to save patches? I'm up to my third MX-8 patchbay on top of MOTU XT, SoundBlaster and GadgetLabs, and it's time I stopped :))))))) Maxim
2002-03-14 by XPANDER
> XPANDER wrote: > >> - heck- I've run out of Midi Ports in my rig- but I can't give up that VZ- >> so I'm daisy chaining the little rascal off anther Rack unit. > > > Sure, I chain a lot of modules, too, but what do you use to channel > the MIDI data back in, if you want to save patches? (using Mr. Miagi voice) "Plug-a in- Plug-a out Daniel-san" Todd S. Sierra Madre Cinema Council http://users.ev1.net/~xpander/SMCChome.html
2002-03-16 by msg@matucana.de
hi saso and all, > An FM synth? That's interesting... Does it sound like Yamaha's DX- > series, or does it really have a sound of its own? i use all three - tx, cz, and vz. they sound quite different. IMHO the vz lies between vz and cz. it has neither the crunchy sounds the tx is apt to produce nor the 'plastic' sounds characteristic for the cz. > And as I understand, the CZ-series is quite unique sound wise...by > the way, which one is better for drum and percussion sounds, the CZ > or the VZ? aargh - none. cymbals are atrocious. woodblocks are reasonable, as was mentioned before. the cz-1 has a quite nice simmons drum preset, but that's it. the vz does no better. > Would it be a good idea to replace my CZ-3000 with the CZ-1 which I'd > use as a MIDI controller, as well? yes, definitely, because the cz-1 has both velocity and channel aftertouch. true, pitchbend and mod wheel are not affected by local off, but that is a minor disadvantage. BTW: i have no problem with the cz-1 keyboard, even with the higher velocities. i like it. hellmuth
2002-03-19 by shayme
Maxim, I guess you like the MX-8 MIDI patchbays quite a bit? Shayme
----- Original Message ----- From: "Maxim Potekhin" <maxim.potekhin@...> To: <CZsynth@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [CZsynth] Re: Casio CZ v Casio VZ XPANDER wrote: > - heck- I've run out of Midi Ports in my rig- but I can't give up that VZ- > so I'm daisy chaining the little rascal off anther Rack unit. Sure, I chain a lot of modules, too, but what do you use to channel the MIDI data back in, if you want to save patches? I'm up to my third MX-8 patchbay on top of MOTU XT, SoundBlaster and GadgetLabs, and it's time I stopped :))))))) Maxim
2002-03-20 by Maxim Potekhin
shayme wrote: > Maxim, I guess you like the MX-8 MIDI patchbays quite a bit? I actually should have replaced these with two MOTU XT, with all ins merging into a single out. But MX-8 are still a bit cheaper, besides they do have some interesting functionality I might use at some point (i.e. all sorts of MIDI processing), which MOTU does not. Also, I know these units well enough and can edit w/o a computer connected. Maxim