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Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-16 by billyglenjr@...

Hello everyone,


I purchased a VZ-1 last night from a gentleman off Craigslist. I'm blown away by the build quality and the phase distortion is really exciting. I primarily spend my musical time playing guitar but over the last several years I've been introduced to soft synth plugins and synth sounds are amazing. I purchased the CZ-1 so I could get my fingers on a polyphonic synth. Unfortunately, my computer is not robust enough to handle the synth chords I've been playing and I often am limited to playing intervals with a short decay.


I stayed up this morning until about 2 am just going through presets and then running the output signal through some software plugins and a TC Helicon Voicelive 3 and a Boss DD-500 (digital delay).


HOLY SMOKES!!!! Blown away!


I've obtained a PDF manual and currently am reading it.


I've hit a sticking point though on the first exercise related to the "MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM)" button. The manual says, "Note that the selected function features a total of 3 "display pages" - which means that only some of the parameters contained in this function are presently displayed. The others can be accessed by pressing the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.


Unfortunately, when i hit this key/button both individually and seperately it is not allowing me to see the other "sub menus". I have only been only to access the VEL RATE. I really want to get to the envelope so I can change the attack and decay primarily at this point in order to start shaping some pad sounds.


If anyone could help I would be very grateful.


Thanks,


Billy Glen

Re: [CZsynth] Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-17 by Daniel Forró

It's a long time when I owned this instrument, but I try...

Are you sure you are in Normal Mode?

Daniel Forro


On Apr 16, 2017, at 9:19 PM, billyglenjr@... [CZsynth] wrote:

I've hit a sticking point though on the first exercise related to the "MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM)" button. The manual says, "Note that the selected function features a total of 3 "display pages" - which means that only some of the parameters contained in this function are presently displayed. The others can be accessed by pressing the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

Unfortunately, when i hit this key/button both individually and seperately it is not allowing me to see the other "sub menus". I have only been only to access the VEL RATE. I really want to get to the envelope so I can change the attack and decay primarily at this point in order to start shaping some pad sounds.


Re: Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-17 by smw-mail@...

I have the VZ-8m which is somewhat similar. Right now I am housecleaning, so I cannot access it, but if Daniel's excellent suggestion doesn't help, I will look to see if the VZ-8m and VZ-1 menu switching system are the same. As Daniel pointed out, various modes change what you can access.

Also, you wrote, " I purchased the CZ-1 so I could get my fingers on a polyphonic synth. Unfortunately, my computer is not robust enough to handle the synth chords I've been playing . . . ."

I am not sure how the computer has anything to do with what you can play with the CZ-1. If you are talking about just handling audio via the sound card or sound chip, Windows 98SE era PCs with run-of-the-mill sound chips could handle multi-track audio from CZ ages ago. However, since you have the capacity to run softsynth plug-ins, I am guessing you have a more modern computer.

However, running the CZ through external effects and then into software plug-ins for additional effects could be overloading the audio card and/or the computer's CPU, depending how much of a CPU hog the software is.

So, if the computer's audio is what you mean, have you tried just the CZ-1?

Hope this helps.

Steve

Re: [CZsynth] Re: Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-17 by Daniel Forró

I can be wrong but I understood his not quite clear message that he  
has purchased some virtual CZ-1 application...

... probably this one:

http://www.pluginboutique.com/product/4-synth/1158-virtualcz

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/956692-virtual-cz-casio-cz-finally-software.html

http://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/oli-larkin-virtual-cz

... and his computer is not powerful enough to play dense chords with  
many notes :-)

He should be more exact in description what he has...

Daniel Forro
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On Apr 18, 2017, at 12:01 AM, smw-mail@... [CZsynth] wrote:
>
> Also, you wrote, " I purchased the CZ-1 so I could get my fingers on  
> a polyphonic synth. Unfortunately, my computer is not robust enough  
> to handle the synth chords I've been playing . . . ."
>
> I am not sure how the computer has anything to do with what you can  
> play with the CZ-1.  If you are talking about just handling audio  
> via the sound card or sound chip, Windows 98SE era PCs with run-of- 
> the-mill sound chips could handle multi-track audio from CZ ages  
> ago.  However, since you have the capacity to run softsynth plug- 
> ins, I am guessing you have a more modern computer.
>
> However, running the CZ through external effects and then into  
> software plug-ins for additional effects could be overloading the  
> audio card and/or the computer's CPU, depending how much of a CPU  
> hog the software is.
>
> So, if the computer's audio is what you mean, have you tried just  
> the CZ-1?
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Steve

Re: Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-17 by smw-mail@...

I took " I purchased the CZ-1 so I could get my fingers on a polyphonic synth" to mean an a hardware synth, not the Virtual CZ; but you might be right.

As for the buttons, the VZ-8m and VZ-1 are totally different so I can't test anything. I don't have any submenu up/down buttons. I suppose page changes might work via sysex, but first I'd suggest trying the online VZ editor we discussed a few months ago (IIRC).

Steve

Re: Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-20 by billyglenjr@...

I apologize for my tardiness and I thank you kindly for your reply. I am going to try and run through the programming exercise this even again. I do so wish to be able to program this synth. I ended up routing it's MIDI out into my audio interface and have only been using it to control my soft synths and drum sequencers so far. It is phenomenol top play on. I love the way it feels.

Re: Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-20 by billyglenjr@...

Please forgive my late reply. I was not clear above. What I meant is that I'm coming from a background of only ever playing VST and/or soft synth plugins in my computer using a midi controller keyboard. I do play an Arturia monosynth but have never played a polyphonic synth until the VZ-1. The CPU overload has to do with all the modulation and voices in the plugins and nothing to do with the VZ-1.

I wanted the VZ-1 so I could play larger chords without any problems. It does this exceptionally well for me and. I'm checking to make sure I was in normal mode right now. It is working great as midi controller, but I really want to program sound pad patches on it.

Re: Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-20 by billyglenjr@...

Yes, I am in Normal Mode and have patch G-5 pulled up called VZ Touch.

I have also entered Menu 1 and I've gotten to the first screen [06(flashing) P VEL LEVEL] This is where I'm stuck (I'm typing this as I work on the function exercise).


I just worked on it some more and I'm in the deeper sub menus. I had failed to go to [17 VEL RATE] which then show in the lower right corner:

(MENU1 03)
(MENU1 09)

I have successfully accessed both of these sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

Again, I'm sorry for the confusion. I will clearer in the future gentleman and thank you for helping me.

Re: Greetings from SW Indiana -Trouble accessing the sub menus using the MULTI AREA (PAGE/ZOOM) keys.

2017-04-23 by smw-mail@...

Thanks for all the clarifications. Glad to see you are getting into the VZ menu structure with some success. I have some a few VZ patches that are totally unlike anything else and I thoroughly enjoyed the results of my efforts, though programming on the VZ-8m is extremely awkward and uncomfortable. Maybe the VZ-1 is a bit easier. Whenever I attempt to return to programming the VZ-8m, I have to spend time re-teaching myself how to access what features, what parameters are located where, etc.

I always refer back to my VZ-8 manual to refresh my memory. Do you have the manual for the VZ-1? I also have penciled in notes where the manual is unclear or wrong or I needed a personal reminder for something that the manual's wording wasn't sufficient. I think most of them relate to parameters unique to the VZ-8m; otherwise I'd look them up and share them here.

In the overflow CZ/VZ/FZ group (set up by the owner because file space was running short), one VZ user (Clifford) posted some new patches that in my opinion put the factory patches to shame.

As for the CPU overload with softsynths and soft-FX, I completely understand. (That's one of the reasons I still love hardware synths!) I think the only solution to the vicious cycle of software needing more system resources is to get a new computer--more RAM, more storage, more CPU power, etc.

Steve




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